And those vaccines are fully tested and fully FDA approved unlike the experimental covid vaccine which is neither! What are you people missing about that fact!?
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It had emergency approval because were in an emergency, a worldwide pandemic. Pfizer is expected to receive full approval in a few months, then what will the excuse be to not get vaxxed?
Did I hurt your feelings by not quoting him on the message too? I flat out said I don’t know how you or him can make that claim. if he can read, which obviously he can, I did say something to him.
we are so fortunate to have you here. You know everything about everything. As time goes by science continuously changes but thankfully you have deemed we have enough info. How much science did we know 50 years ago for fact that has proven to be false. Yet in less than 18 months we now know all on the vaccines. Nobody needs to work on this anymore. Anyone working on these issues should be fired as all facts are in. Awesome.
The FDA approves tons of things that other countries would never allow. Coca Cola has to make Mexican Coke because their country won’t allow their citizens to consume such a horrible product like high fructose corn syrup. We have it in everything because corporations make a fortune using it. The FDA isn’t exactly all pure and innocent trying to help all of us out with the health issues in this country. And if SHUSA confirms that, then it’s definitely fact. He knows everything.
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Okay, but anyone with a brain knows soda is terrible for you. It's up to the consumer to drink that can of sugar. Food and drink have labels on them for a reason so people can decide for themselves. Somebody being unhealthy and eating/drinking crap isnt contagious. The vaccine is for the greater good.
People can also decide what's best for them. I don't drink alcohol or soda because I don't think it's healthy for me. I have chosen not to receive the vaccine because I have a functioning immune system and I am not in the at-risk group. Those aren't the only reasons I've chosen not to receive it, but they are a couple of the primary ones. I accept the risk, however small (but not zero), that I might get sick.
But isn’t that part of everyone being allowed to make their own personal decision. We have a drug approval process to ensure that medication‘s are safe and effective. The FDA issued an EAU in this case because of the urgency. They have a high degree of confidence, however it Has been approved for use well before it normally would have. Why wouldn’t it be OK for someone to make a personal choice based on their own risk profile?
All you are doing is distilling this down as you are either on one side or the other. And using a label to do so… Anti-VAXer.
Do those same people with a brain know how much smoking, eating sugar, drinking alcohol, etc weakens the immune system? I have to get a vaccine because people do things that weaken their own immune system. Maybe Covid wouldn’t have been so bad if we all had stronger immune systems. How about they care about the greater good too?
it’s amazing we have to have special warnings on cigarettes, you would think anyone with a brain would know smoking causes problems, yet we don’t have these special labels on sugar products, alcohol products, etc. seems the fda contradicts themselves nicely. Not to mention labels are very misleading. Maybe, just maybe, lobbyists, pay off the FDA and government to not put those same warnings. We should all thank these people, who are supposed to be looking for our best interest, have their own agenda.
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only responded to me once i said something u didnt agree with. had ample time to say something to anyone with the opposing view. but you didnt. stop playing it otherwise and deflecting about hurt feelings.
vaccines are safer than covid for everyone. with data that we have right now. its not me, its in databases. anything else long term is a question for both, and in that regard doesnt matter. sounds like youre genius for calling people out while simultaneously showing youve never even looked at a data point or disregarding any data we have.
stop with the circle jerk for the obvious crowd and call it as it is.
youre so goddamn scared of something thats currently proven safer than the alternative. youre scared of something in the future that may not even exist. meanwhile im sure you do things daily that are terrible for your long term health.
typical for the anti covid vax crowd. i bet facebook is fun.
You’ve worded everything very carefully. You’ve left the door open for all of your current facts to be proven false later on which is what I said earlier. More data needs to come in which was not your stance a few hours ago. Nice to see your wording change to data we have now. currently proven safer.
Maybe I do things that are terrible for long term health. But I also get 3 miles in every day. Drink 1-2 green juices/smoothies. Can you honestly say you live perfectly for long term health? Do you try to do what’s best? Do you always do it?
You think I’m on any social media. Lol nice try.
What you miss is you can't compare them in a vacuum. If you choose to get the vaccine, you are guaranteed to put yourself at some risk (however small). If you don't choose to get the vaccine, you may get lucky and never get the virus or get it and not have a hard time with it. Just because you don't get the vaccine doesn't mean you're going to get the virus. And the facts show that, if you do get the virus, you'll likely be okay with or without the vaccine (especially if younger).
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CDC official numbers say 382 kids under 18 have died from Covid in the United States. That's a much larger number than deaths from the vaccine, so your theory that your risk is less by not taking the vaccine is just wrong.
Additionally, in the 30-39 age group which I assume you're in the deaths in the US are 6,837. Again, this number is exponentially higher than any deaths resulting from a vaccine.
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We all need to be critical of the data. What isn’t transparent in the CDC numbers are the comorbidities of those that die. How many of these deaths had underlying conditions? I am not recommending taking the vaccine or not taking the vaccine. As I said earlier I respect someone’s individual decision based on their risk profile. Don’t believe in vaccine shaming.
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It's not vaccine shaming to state the facts. You're at a higher risk from covid than the vaccine. If you dont wanna get the shot than do you, but don't spread BS.
Not correct. You are talking in generalities. A young healthy individual has very low risk of any serious issues if they contract the virus. That’s a fact.
That’s assuming you believe all data is in. They’re going to be researching this stuff for a few more years. How do we call anything a fact when we know the research is far from over.
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Yes, I have looked at those numbers. That chart showing deaths by age group actually informed my decision regarding the vaccine. It shows I am at very low risk of complications. In my opinion if you're under 50 and otherwise relatively healthy, you have little to worry about whether you're vaccinated or not.
Those number of deaths versus the amount of people who have contracted the virus in those age groups are incredibly small. 80% of the deaths were people 65 and older. Furthermore, 95% of the deaths were in people over 50 years old.
The US average life expectancy is roughly 79 years.
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You're right, young and healthy is a low risk, but an even lower risk is being vaccinated. That's a fact proven by the deaths in that age group.
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Correct, young and healthy is low risk. But an even lower risk is young and healthy AND VACCINATED. The number of deaths from the virus proves this out.
09 is gaslighting the vaccine as being a greater danger to him than the virus, which is not true based on deaths. Unless he can show me 382+ people under 18 have died from the vaccine?
There are no conclusions as of yet so there are no facts. We're probably just getting through the first quarter of the game as the vaccines just came out in December. Lot of game left to come up with the real facts on how safe these vaccines are or are not. Facts as of today are as valuable as those scientific facts that came up with the food pyramid that led to a nation of unhealthy people.
That’s not the point I am making. If you are in a very very low risk category why take the vaccine at all? I can understand a young and healthy person’s reluctance given the unknown long term affects of the mRNA technology for instance.
If I have a slightly elevated cholesterol but I have no history of heart disease and all of my other test panel results are below range, there is no reason for me to take a statin. But people do.
10% of people get the virus at some point. you could times the rate of adverse vaccine reaction by 10 and still be safer.
i understand your point, but its what leads to a debate not to a surefire conclusion by any means
I am not disagreeing with that. But I trust my immune system and the overall state of my health. I also don't like the relentless big government and corporate propaganda campaign regarding the vaccine. I don't trust that it was studied extensively enough given how it was rushed. If I get sick, there are treatments.
facts are that in the last 6 months the claim that the vaccines are deadlier or more dangerous is completely false.
Not really. She passed away three years ago.
And you can pass the disease to someone whether you were vaccinated or not.
why would i ever disregard data we have now?
why didnt you call out the other poster stating "facts" that the vaccine was more dangerous.
data now matters. it matters alot. it matters when posters make completely false claims you choose to ignore.
you can use the "well we dont know what will happen in 30 years" for the rest of time.
right but vaccines have 60% chance of stopping transmission. to some like me those are very good odds. its not perfect, but tells me i tried. its a helpful balance that allows me to see my parents without the chance for catastrophic guilt.
point is, the vaccine does more than just protect the individual.
sorry for your loss.
Where did you get that stat about it being 60% more effective in stopping transmission?
regardless, you are doing what I am suggesting. You are making a choice based on your personal situation. If Someone doesn’t have parents or elderly in their lives, I could understand how they would think differently.
Who ever said to disregard current data. Just admit current data doesn't draw a full conclusion.
You sound like a 5 year old crying that little Johnny didn't get in trouble for doing the same thing.
I have never understood this viewpoint. They can choose to get the vaccine. If they do, they're protected whether you have taken it or not.
Do you complain to the smoker or to the guy at the bar that they are weakening their immune systems making transmission easier? Do you provide them with the facts? How does that go when you tell them?
Or do you ignore them and pick and choose who you want to call out?
how is this relevant to what i said? i have no idea what nonsense youre saying.
im not crying im pointing out how you ignore all the comments aligned with your personal opinion, which contradicts what you post.
its very obvious. and the comments you just so happen to ignore calling out are ones that are legitimately wrong based on current data (which u just said u cant disregard)
I'm not saying that it isn't a personal decision.
An answer to your question about why someone would want to get vaccinated even though they are at a low risk is that they decided to be a part of broad community protection and working towards ending the pandemic.
It's also a personal decision if people should donate blood or not, but those that do are doing so for the greater good. Not individual gain. Same concept for getting vaccinated with low personal risk of adverse impacts from the virus.
Wrong. For young men under 25 there has been an unusually high incidence of heart inflammation with the MRNA vaccine. A higher percentage than the mortality rate.
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