Neptune

[dehere23]

Since he's getting some discussion in the press, etc, make your case -- should he stay or should he go?

In favor of staying, I see it as (a) young coach, handpicked successor King Jay, who should get more than 3 years to grow; (b) while he has underperformed relative to talent and expectations, his teams haven't been horrible either -- generally around .500 in the NCAA discussion for at least part of the year; (c) had some bad luck off the jump when Justin Moore -- who many of us thought would be the next great Nova guard -- got his career seemingly derailed by injuries; (d) did pretty well his one year at Fordham, considering its Fordham, which shows some coaching chops, because that's a really really hard job to win on any level at ; (e) no obvious attainable choice to replace him at this juncture.

In favor of moving on (a) inherited a blue blood program with all the resources to succeed, and has underperformed for 3 years; (b) has been unable to get talented transfers and HS players attainable because of Nova's resources with their returning talent; (c) from afar, seems to have lots of questionable coaching decisions, situations and collapes; (d) plenty of others, even if not a big name, could do more with the Nova job given the Nova brand and where they are positioned on NIL; (e) with the ascension of other schools in the Big East, Nova cannot afford to continue to be "middle of the pack" and fall behind.

Thoughts?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Do they have a better option? If they have a better guy lined up, move on. If they don't give him another year but line somebody up because this is the most important time of the year. Recruiting is all about the portal. You need firm decision now. If you don't have a firm decision and know you got your guy, you stay with what you have. And you have someone ready to go immediately to hit the portal.

 

[Hall91]

I think he may get another year. Even though Nova didn’t make the tourney these last 3 years the teams have been competitive, but for some reason they haven’t been able to finish games this year. I think he’s gone too far in on the Portal. Nova will have the NIL $ they need to compete, but if they’re going to hire another coach, it should be a major name and not a maybe.

 

[HALL85]

He’s gone.

 

[SHUSource]

Hearing rumblings of his dismissal, coming very soon.

 

[Piratz]

I say out. They’ve massively underachieved and with resources. Even this year same inconsistent play.

3 years is a lot at programs at their level.

His hiring was because of Jay.

 

[HALL85]

Hearing rumblings of his dismissal, coming very soon.

They want Odom.

 

[dehere23]

Does King Jay bless (or have to bless) his dismissal, or is that not a factor?

Because with Wright like most old school coaches I think he would preach patience.

Especially where the young coach hasn’t had any awful BE seasons. Just underachieved.

 

[Piratz]

Does King Jay bless (or have to bless) his dismissal, or is that not a factor?

Because with Wright like most old school coaches I think he would preach patience.

Especially where the young coach hasn’t had any awful BE seasons. Just underachieved.

I think the ode to Jay has concluded.

 

[HALL85]

Does King Jay bless (or have to bless) his dismissal, or is that not a factor?

Because with Wright like most old school coaches I think he would preach patience.

Especially where the young coach hasn’t had any awful BE seasons. Just underachieved.

Jay certainly is a respected voice but even he probably thinks they may have over reached with Neptune. It’s never a great position to replace the legend but Neptune has mismanaged too many games.

 

[Gohall129]

The coaching talent pool is scarce this offseason. Neptune was a DEI hire. Shanley wanted an African American coach after Jay and Jay wanted it within the family- hence how Neptune was put into play.

His lack of experience showed. Nova was up at halftime so often during the season only to get out coached in the second half. They spent 4 million on the roster this year. Hard to have the confidence giving Neptune 6+ million next year. Odom or Collins are the likely candidates

 

[hallwins]

The coaching talent pool is scarce this offseason. Neptune was a DEI hire. Shanley wanted an African American coach after Jay and Jay wanted it within the family- hence how Neptune was put into play.

His lack of experience showed. Nova was up at halftime so often during the season only to get out coached in the second half. They spent 4 million on the roster this year. Hard to have the confidence giving Neptune 6+ million next year. Odom or Collins are the likely candidates

First, Shanley is at St John's.
I don't believe the narrative about Neptune and the reason he was hired. That is a disgruntled Nova fan / alum narrative.

Jay wanted his successor to be from the family. Problem is his coaching tree is awful. Replacing a legend with a guy whose resume was as thin as Neptune's screams Jay picking his guy. Nova fans protect Jay's influence with the narrative you describe.

Odum, Chris Collins, Porter Moser, little Pitino all rumored. You can get one of those guys, you move on.

 

[radecicco]

Neptune had an all time player in Dixon the last two years and basically wasted the opportunity. And frankly, watching last nights game, not only was Neptune out coached in the 2nd half (as he has been often this season) but Dixon seemed checked out.

 

[MBF72]

First, Shanley is at St John's.
I don't believe the narrative about Neptune and the reason he was hired. That is a disgruntled Nova fan / alum narrative. Jay wanted his successor to be from the family. Problem is his coaching tree is awful. Replacing a legend with a guy whose resume is as thin as Neptune's scream Jay picking his guy. Nova fans protect Jay's influence with the narrative you describe.

Odum, Chris Collins, Porter Moser, little Pitino all rumored. You can get one of those guys, you move on.

Terrible. Sounds like the guy in Washington who said the airplane-helicopter crash at Reagan International was a result of DEI.

 

[hallwins]

Neptune had an all time player in Dixon the last two years and basically wasted the opportunity. And frankly, watching last nights game, not only was Neptune out coached in the 2nd half (as he has been often this season) but Dixon seemed checked out.

If we were just a competent offensive team we win our BET game v. Nova.

 

[hallwins]

Announcement imminent regarding Neptune departure.

 

[HALL85]

First, Shanley is at St John's.
I don't believe the narrative about Neptune and the reason he was hired. That is a disgruntled Nova fan / alum narrative.

Jay wanted his successor to be from the family. Problem is his coaching tree is awful. Replacing a legend with a guy whose resume was as thin as Neptune's screams Jay picking his guy. Nova fans protect Jay's influence with the narrative you describe.

Odum, Chris Collins, Porter Moser, little Pitino all rumored. You can get one of those guys, you move on.

Bryce Drew is in the mix too.

 

[SOBO1]

Neptune is widely considered incompetent. He’s 6-1 vs Sha.

 

[radecicco]

Yes he is. But are you taking into account talent level, resources?

 

[Piratz]

Neptune is widely considered incompetent. He’s 6-1 vs Sha.

Add in McDermott and Sha is 1-12 against those two teams in 3 years, yikes!

 

[NittanyPirate]

Neptune is widely considered incompetent. He’s 6-1 vs Sha.

He’s what the French call Les incompentents

 

[SOBO1]

Add in McDermott and Sha is 1-12 against those two teams in 3 years, yikes!

McDermott and Creighton are great though.

My comment was more of “those in glass houses..”

Personally, I think the Neptune heat is a little unfair. He was hired as a 37 year old first time head coach (basically), not as a refined/finished product. I just think it’s a bit unrealistic to hire a rookie and expect veteran results out of the gate. If it was that easy to be an elite coach there would be more elite coaches.

If you want a win now coach, you don’t hire a 37 year old with 1 year experience at a bottom feeder program.

 

[Seton75]

Announcement imminent regarding Neptune departure.

He’s what the French call Les incompentents

here, we have more Fullers.

 

[hallwins]

McDermott and Creighton are great though.

My comment was more of “those in glass houses..”

Personally, I think the Neptune heat is a little unfair. He was hired as a 37 year old first time head coach (basically), not as a refined/finished product. I just think it’s a bit unrealistic to hire a rookie and expect veteran results out of the gate. If it was that easy to be an elite coach there would be more elite coaches.

If you want a win now coach, you don’t hire a 37 year old with 1 year experience at a bottom feeder program.

I agree. The only reason anyone would have hired Neptune to take over one of the best jobs in the country is because Jay Wright wanted one of his guys. The Nova President would not make that call without enormous input and influence from Jay.

 

[Fishjam]

McDermott and Creighton are great though.

My comment was more of “those in glass houses..”

Personally, I think the Neptune heat is a little unfair. He was hired as a 37 year old first time head coach (basically), not as a refined/finished product. I just think it’s a bit unrealistic to hire a rookie and expect veteran results out of the gate. If it was that easy to be an elite coach there would be more elite coaches.

If you want a win now coach, you don’t hire a 37 year old with 1 year experience at a bottom feeder program.

Yeah they hired him before he was ready because they wanted to keep Jay's system and assistants in place. For that they overlooked they were replacing the top coach in the sport with a young guy with just 1 year of experience and a below .500 season at Fordham.

 

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[MooneyHall07]

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[Seton75]

Yeah they hired him before he was ready because they wanted to keep Jay's system and assistants in place. For that they overlooked they were replacing the top coach in the sport with a young guy with just 1 year of experience and a below .500 season at Fordham.

i think they call this doibg an esherick.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

i think they call this doibg an esherick.

Had two stints at nova, was on hofstra staff which was a jay stop...it just did not pan out

 

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[SOpirate]

Can’t argue with firing a guy after zero tourney appearances in 3 years, but they really were close to breaking through each season. Looked to be in a really good position this year after beating St. John’s but then followed that up getting boat raced by PC and blowing a double digit lead to UConn. Ultimately Neptune has no one to blame but himself.