The reason I said it will take longer than a couple of weeks, is that very few tests are actually being run for this variant. Especially in South Africa.
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Because that’s not how it works.
The sequencing is done after on a sample of tests. Those results are extrapolated to the population.
If those results show most tests are turning up with omnicron, and there is a huge spike in cases but not hospitalizations then we can assume that this variant is not as bad. If there is a spike in hospitalizations we can assume it’s at least similar to other variants. If the hospitalizations result in worse outcomes then it may be worse.
The latest from south Africa. Omicron is putting children under 5 in the hospital at an "alarming" rate. If this is the case. This could be a whole new chapter in the pandemic. This pandemic isn't ending any time soon! Few more years!
‘Unprecedented’ Omicron Surge Hitting Children Under Age 5
Until now, the coronavirus pandemic has largely spared the youngest children. That’s all starting to change in variant-swamped South Africa.
And 95% not vaccinated. There you have it.They are omicron. And omicron is hospitalizing kids at an alarming rate
Spike in hospitalisation in South Africa’s omicron epicenter, 10% of them toddlers
Nationwide daily infection rose from 300 a day in November to 3,220 on Sundaywww.independent.co.uk
Yep I agree. If the world is unvaccinated this will be a Pandemic for several more years.
I wonder what percentage have comorbidities. Oh wait, we stopped measuring that.
A pandemic of the unvaccinated that will affect everyone (Economic, Socially, etc)
First omicron positive patient in NJ and is currently hospitalized due to severe symptoms. It is also important to note she is fully vaccinated. Your narrative might be ending...
Ok? Send me the source that notes what medical issues this individuals has? My doctor friend told me its a healthy 26 year old woman
In South Africa? Increase in hospitalizations has already started. We will have a much better understanding of if this variant is behaving differently in 2-3 weeks.
You just need to disagree with me for some reason.
Not worth arguing. We can revisit in 3 weeks.
False. Per this article she is receiving treatment this morning.
@shu09 I saw you liked kings post. Do you like being lied to?
N.J. has its first omicron case. Here’s what we know as the COVID variant arrives.
Gov. Phil Murphy announced New Jersey's first omicron case on Friday.
You’re the biggest liar in this site. From your fake citizen of the year to your bullshit shelter in place to your big donor friends enforcing a mask mandate at the Rock (that one quietly disappeared). You’re full if shit and just here to troll.False. Per this article she is receiving treatment this morning.
@shu09 I saw you liked kings post. Do you like being lied to?
N.J. has its first omicron case. Here’s what we know as the COVID variant arrives.
Gov. Phil Murphy announced New Jersey's first omicron case on Friday.www.nj.com
By the way, article clearly states she has moderate symptoms. That she is being isolated to mitigate the risk of spread is simply ridiculous, but that’s NJ for you. She is not isolated from a standpoint of severe symptoms and your doctor friend is as fabricated as the rest of your lies.
Nope mask mandate hasn't been killed yet...
You're actually wrong on all accounts. I have been staying home since March 2020. I did win citizen of the year in 2020 in my Atlantic county town. And my doctor friend was correct. She is still in the hospital,
So I'm not really sure what you're getting at?
No, I’m just going by what a Medical Director and Chief of Pathology at a hospital shared. You are free to disagree though.
It sounds like you would disagree with the governor's assessment of the variant as well.
More omicron COVID cases likely in N.J., early evidence is variant more transmissible but mild, Murphy says
“My gut tells me this is the first of many to come," Gov. Phil Murphy told NJ Advance Media on Saturday.
Fat kids used to steal his lunch when he was a boy. That's why he brings up comorbidities all the time - to remind the fatties that God sent the coronavirus to punish them for hurting his feelings.
Obviously, I wasn’t there but there... so not sure of the context and what they were referring to, but I’ve seen plenty of talk of a timeline of a few weeks. Not sure why they would disagree.
Most Omicron cases so far have been mild, but experts say it will take weeks to understand how severe the variant can be
Initial Omicron reports have detailed mild illness and asymptomatic cases, but hospitalization rates usually lag. Experts are waiting for more data.
www.businessinsider.com
However, experts across the world, including at Europe's CDC, have cautioned that it will take several weeks until we have concrete data on hospitalizations related to Omicron.”
Omicron’s Severity Will Take More Time to Assess, Scientists Say
The Covid-19 variant seems more transmissible and presents higher reinfection risk, South African officials say based on early evidence.
www.wsj.com
“It will take about two to three weeks to find out whether these patients are going to be less severely ill than those hospitalized in previous waves, said Dr. Jassat”
and honestly, another 3 weeks puts us past day 30 in South Africa. That is a fairly reasonable point to see if this wave is behaving differently and the impacts to various age groups and if the vaccines are effective against it.
As stated mild symptoms- like a cold but yet all this press.
More omicron COVID cases likely in N.J., early evidence is variant more transmissible but mild, Murphy says
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021...-is-that-the-variant-is-mild-murphy-says.html
More omicron COVID cases likely in N.J., early evidence is variant more transmissible but mild, Murphy says
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021...-is-that-the-variant-is-mild-murphy-says.html
Per John Hopkins. Death rate for covid in the United States is 1.6%. Were you one of those posters that thought the survival rate was 99.99%?
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
coronavirus.jhu.edu
Not really. It’s a nuanced discussion and age, comorbidity, vaccination status are all part of the discussion. I’ve given you good faith estimates in the past and have been reasonable all along. You’re not interested in nuance or good faith discussions here.
Thank God you're back. How is your rectal impaction? I know how busy you are and that you only post when you poop. I know when I get backed up, there's nothing like a high colonic to really clean things up. Although now that I'm looking at the time of your post, perhaps you were watching TV. Did you see Gonzaga lose? Alabama looks like the real deal and I always wonder what happened with Quinerly at Nova,
On Friday, the death rate was .9%. Perhaps during a slow moment in your next conference call you can learn how to calculate it yourself. Teach a man to fish and all. See you Thursday!
Fake news. The equivalent of the CDC in South Africa had a press conference and stated there are very few cases and the symptoms seem to be even more mild that the other variants. Daily beast is your source? They are a left wing propaganda source.The latest from south Africa. Omicron is putting children under 5 in the hospital at an "alarming" rate. If this is the case. This could be a whole new chapter in the pandemic. This pandemic isn't ending any time soon! Few more years!
‘Unprecedented’ Omicron Surge Hitting Children Under Age 5
Until now, the coronavirus pandemic has largely spared the youngest children. That’s all starting to change in variant-swamped South Africa.www.thedailybeast.com
Murphy’s a joke. My kids are now participating in rec sports, indoors, without masks, against other unmasked kids in our town and others. At BOE/school facilities. A number of parents in my town asked our Superintendent/BOE why our kids still have to wear masks in classrooms when they can play sports unmasked in a gym 50 feet down the hall of their classroom. And on weekends against kids from other towns, thereby increasing outside exposure. Our Superintendent/BOE say their hands are tied by Murphy’s EO 251 “school mask mandate”. The attorneys consulted say they have no discretion - despite the blatant logic inconsistency outlined above - and view the EO as requiring compliance. The Superintendent/BOE are in a tough spot because I understand why they can’t act in a way that is deemed to be in violation of the law, and god knows all it takes is one hypocritical parent to complain and the state to make an example of them. This is all on Murphy.It sounds like you would disagree with the governor's assessment of the variant as well.
More omicron COVID cases likely in N.J., early evidence is variant more transmissible but mild, Murphy says
“My gut tells me this is the first of many to come," Gov. Phil Murphy told NJ Advance Media on Saturday.
If you remember correctly, I predicted a winter surge in New Jersey. It looks like I am right as all indicators point to numbers going up in the garden state. RT now up to 1.2. All key indicators up. Governor Murphy is now saying Thanksgiving seems like it was a super spreader.
www.nj.com
N.J. reports 5 new COVID deaths, 3,097 cases. Numerous indicators point to virus’ spread.
The state’s seven-day average for new positive tests increased 2,993, up 65% from a week ago and 183% from a month ago. That’s also the highest average since April 19.
That number is inaccurate. Is a ratio. The denominator is wrong. They use only documented cases when calculating the survival rate. The ACTUAL number of people who have had Covid could be over double the number of reported cases. Every death is confirmed as Covid positive. 10’s or even hundred of millions of people had and recovered are not reported because they survived. There are over 34 million documented cases. Some estimate that it’s likely over 150 million have actually contracted the virus but since many are asymptomatic or mild there aren’t documented. The survival number can only go up. ThIs is data on all cases. If you take those with co-morbidities is 99.99%Per John Hopkins. Death rate for covid in the United States is 1.6%. Were you one of those posters that thought the survival rate was 99.99%?
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
How many covid deaths were not reported? Especially in January 2020/ February 2020?
