What about when Pitino told KW NOT to take our job and told basically the whole media world
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I don't expect much to change. Big time college basketball is all about money now and our beloved alma mater has historically had a very low giving rate. Why should we be optimistic that this will dramatically improve? Even if the administration 'wakes up' they don't have a magic wand to wave.
he said that because he knows our resources are trash. but now, its 100% about the resource of money. our worst resource. checks out.
perhaps we just, wait for it, have no money...
I'm not sure I agree that they 'never' cared, but overall I think your assessment is very accurate. The fact that we are prisoners of the archdiocese is --imho-- a central part of the problem.
I strongly dislike Pitino but he speaks the truth with those coments.
Pitino is a Hall of Fame coach, but an often classless, unethical man. We beat St. John's last year twice with his bigger NIL budget, and were 12-1 in wins at home vs. Johnnies until now. We lost to Fordham, Monmouth and Hofstra this year, which has nothing to do with NIL. This year is as much about poor roster building and the loss of three excellent starters. NIL is a big factor, but GT & Nova have not been killing it with robust NIL coffers.
And let's not lose sight of Rick's Hall of Shame past and St. John's willing alliance with him. A program desperate to get back to respectability and a coach desperate to move back into the spotlight after his sordid past and exile to Iona. Vitamin Water Repole would not donate to St. John's until he helped engineer his good friend Pitino's hire at St. John's.
How many other coaches besides Pitino have had an NCAA championship vacated (Louisville's 2013) because the school was penalized for arranging striptease dances and sex acts for prospects, student-athletes and others? Rick said he knew nothing about it. Not to mention his restaurant exploits at the Italian restaurant and admitted sex on a table with a Kentucky woman who wrote a book about it, claimed rape, was charged with extortion, and Rick said the act was consensual.
My nephew played D-III basketball. Trust me a D-III would be non-competitive against us.
I know every coach complains about NIL, but Shaheen does seem to be the biggest baby about it.
Eventually, this excuse runs out. He built the team. We are the worst major conference team by far, almost setting records with how poor we play.
That is not just NIL. Thats coaching and he has done a bad a job as anybody in college basketball this year.
This is what I said years ago when the majority of posters here supported NIL. They told me I was over reacting. 🤷🏼♂️
Sounds good, The only problem is you’ve just marketed this out to 200 people, where you getting the other 800 people to buy in
We can talk forever about how poor a position we find ourselves in both from a talent , coaching position and how minuscule our. NIL position is but what I don’t see is how do we rectify our shortcomings or is that currently not doable.
It doesn't take 10,000 people. It takes a few very wealthy alumni, supplemented by normal donations. Of course, finding those alumni and convincing them to donate is easier said than done.
The school just spent $50 million on a facility. Big East bsketball is our greatest asset and part of our core identity. At Seton Hall, as sad as it sounds, this season may be just what is needed to wake everyone up and move forward.
you need a coach who is tied in with someone or some company. Counting on the SHU faithful is a failed strategy in this market.
They had enough money to build a practice facility so they aren’t drawing completely dead. The problem is that 90% of this board knew NIL was the wave of the future, not facilities, and the school didn’t seem to realize it. They bucked NIL until the very last minute.
They need to sit down and find an edge with rev sharing. I don’t know what that edge is, but that’s where their brains need to be.
They need to sit down and find an edge with rev sharing. I don’t know what that edge is, but that’s where their brains need to be.
You think they haven’t? I’ve read here that unfortunately Kurtz is not a sports fan.
He likes sports and spends tons on Formula 1 and drives cars a lot. That is not a cheap sport to be playing !!! The school is carefully trying to get his attention. So far it’s not resonating.
I wouldn't want him as our next coach but a guy like Amaker who could schmooze the right people is what we need. I'd feel real comfortable with a guy like Amaker walking into the offices at Prudential in Newark and being able to walk out with a couple hundred thousand dollar check. In my opinion that's what we need our coach to do. Sadly we live in a world where relating to your players and being a leader to them takes a backseat to schmoozing corporate big wigs.
But also that’s actually Mike McBride’s physical job.. he should be walking into the businesses downtown and coming away with partnerships or checks. Instead he’s stealing a paycheck from the university and getting away with it
Sorry it's pretty simple. If Mike McBride walks into my office, I'm less likely to give to him than if the head coach walks in. I don't think it's hard to understand. Nobody is giving a couple hundred thousand to talk to McBride.
This. Like why hasn't McBride set up a behind the scenes all access granted tour of the new facility and ask for a [fill in the blank] NIL payment for it?
And that's not even a hard thing to imagine, organize, and set up.
Nobody wants to talk to Mike McBride. Nobody. Mike can do all the behind the scenes stuff but Sha has to be the face they see and voice they hear for the invitation.
The one refreshing thing about Pitino’s comments is they’re as straight forward as possible.
It should put to bed the thought that keeps permeating that kids go to a school for reasons other than money. There’s a poster or two that believe that.
If that isn’t as clear as day, I don’t know what is.
It should put to bed the thought that keeps permeating that kids go to a school for reasons other than money. There’s a poster or two that believe that.
If that isn’t as clear as day, I don’t know what is.
Then lay off McBride immediately and give his salary to Shaheen. His hiring was just another sad attempt by SHU to keep up with the Joneses
Okay. McBride sets it all up and sha makes the phone calls. And if he doesn't want to felt and Lyons say "do it or else -- this is not optional this is a direct order"
It’s actually:
1a money
1b they think the coach will make them an nba player
1C program juice= buzz, winning, exposure for their “brand”
When you're making around 3 million, leaving it all up to McBride to get you players is ridiculous.
So his job then is to put out a flyer for a bake sale to our regular ol fans and that justifies his job position?
Obviously Sha allocates the funds. Does he want to pay Churchill Abass and Ezra Ausar or bring in multiple players for less? At the last minute does Wake Forest and Utah offer them $500k and we cannot even get there? We don't know any of this. My guess is we simply don't have enough money to have more than 2 truly impact players then we need to hit on gambles. We did last last year with Bediako, we whiffed this year with Toumi, Harmon, etc.
I know just a little about some of our issues from the POV of a school recruiting KR who was not St John’s
It appears that we have very limited money and will lose out most of the time regardless BUT Sha seems to have a number in mind…when athlete asks for more he almost takes it personal and basically is like go F yourself ILL replace you with cheaper/better parts
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