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Please do. Corona will be winding down then but we won't know the results of the election because of the mail in voting.
Agree with all of that.
Polls should be open. Mail in ballots should be available to those who want them, just as they would in almost any state normally without any excuse.
Plan for more mail in ballots than normal.
The part I was objecting to really was the idea that we can't do it because of fraud.
We have had hundreds of millions of mail in ballots with a few hundred instances of fraud ever.
Just Ironic that the person worried about a minuscule amount of fraud is also the least concerned about the hundreds of thousands of deaths from a pandemic. Bit of a disconnect there in my opinion.
So looks like we agree.
I dont like to speak for others, but the person you referenced I took to mean he was against complete mail in elections like NY/NJ did for their primaries, which seems to be the same as you are advocating..
Yes, I'm not concerned about it because any illness could kill most of the people who are dying from this. If we had a virus running through the country that killed people regardless of age, then I'd be concerned.
Yep, I think we are in the same page.
I am not advocating for 100% mail in.
Though expended early voting and mail in makes complete sense in this environment.
More people under 45 have died from Covid in the last 4 months than all instances of mail in voter fraud ever.
Going to have to disagree with your statement, right here in good old Paterson NJ in recent mail in election.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html
Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Maybe only in your strange mind.
And, as seton1996 pointed out, you're wrong yet again.
Maybe around the same amount of people who have committed voter fraud.
the point is that it is extremely rare, and we have safeguards to protect the integrity of elections. Those people were caught and will face decent penalties. That’s a good thing.
Saying that mail in voting “should not be allowed to happen” while it has been happening all over the country for decades is a bit over the top from my view.
doesnt only 50% of eligible voters actually show up to vote? this clearly seems like whoever is against mail-in voting is afraid those remaining 50% are gonna do some damage. Like someone who uses hate and divisiveness to bring people out to vote, while less obnoxious candidates lose their votes to apathy. if all of the apathetic people can now vote then the entire strategy of inciting people is all for nothing.
From numbers I saw in the recent elections that were all mail in, the numbers of voters mailing in ballots was similar to elections that were in person. Not sure if that was across the board, but don’t think an all mail in election will lead to many more people voting.
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Good posts. Hoping for 100% mail in voting, then. To the other sub-point on this thread, if Trump wins again, there will be rioting. There's already rioting, and I expect MSM and the leaders of these cities, who have been complicit in the lawlessness, to fan the flames.
I have no problem with mail-in voting provided you request a ballot, mailing a ballot to all is ripe for fraud and manipulation.
the rioting will hit critical mass when the minny officer is acquitted (perhaps rightfully) and if trump wins. cities are gonna have a hard time.
let the real estate prices drop, ill buy in for a long game investment property in 15 years. what security systems public stock can i buy??
Any president deserves respect. He earned it an election. Don’t get bent out of shape because l you disagree with him or think he’s a jerk which he is. We’ve had plenty of jerks (Clinton) and plenty of nice guys (Bush 41, Carter). All deserve and earned respect.
eh. just because he got voted in an office (not by majority) doesnt mean he automatically commands respect. you gotta give respect to get respect. i used to defend the guy because i think he was facing too much attack but after 4 years i can easily say i have no respect for that man. hes clearly not a good hearted person. doesnt mean i think hes 100% the worst option. i just dont respect him.
Trump being self-serving.
The USPS shoud be privatized or allow for competition.
If you really believe in democracy, do it my way.
What do you think?
Good old Murphy coming through again, closing polls in November going all mail in ballots. Next up closing schools.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...o-be-mostly-mail-in-murphy-will-announce.html
I’ll wait until the announcement. Saw a bunch of rumors he would be cancelling school on Twitter last week as well. So I’m not sure it’s true yet.
That said, it’s a mistake if he goes that route.
We should be able to vote in person and allow mail in for those who request a ballot.
I haven't been to a voting booth in over 6 years. I don't see how you can have people maintain social distancing and wait in line for hours to vote. In a lot of states people wait hours to vote during normal times. This would be exacerbated by 2 or 3 fold. How are you going to accomplish that during the pandemic?
The only other option is by opening up voting for a week maybe two. Based upon geographical boundaries, you would be assigned a day of the week to vote. Unless, that is done, mail-in is your only option.
I don't disagree but in my location for example, there are never any lines. No reason for this district to close which would just increase the volume of mail in ballots even further.
In areas where there are always lines, they should be promoting mail in voting or early voting.
Closing polls is so groups can assist people who wouldn’t otherwise vote, vote by mail. Democrats should come clean with that explanation and then we can debate the issue.
I don't think they are hiding that they want to expand the voting base to people who don't normally vote. Democrats will do better if they get more people to vote.
If the non-voting block becomes generally more conservative, democrats will start to fight against expanding voting and republicans will fight for it.
Exactly, that's all this is. Remember, most of these restrictions are not about your health. That is the publicly stated reason, but as is often true with government the truth is hidden.
I have never waited more than a few people in line. NJ is pretty good, lines are usually not an issue, even in the cities, unless there is some issue.
Why couldn't you social distance in line, the lines are almost always outside, if wearing a mask and keep separate how is it any different than lines at currently open amusement parks.
And if not comfortable with lines, going to polls or this process during a pandemic, as normal you should/can request a mail in ballot.
I don't think I've ever waited more than 5-10 minutes in a polling station.
Of course... But given that some states haven't had much interest in fixing their problems over the last couple decades, I doubt they will come up with something in the next 2.5 months.
Early voting and mail in voting will both help in person voting go quicker and smoother in problem areas.
Agreed.
I assume that there is a fear that there will be a decent amount of voters who do not want to vote in person and want to vote by mail but would not take the time to request a ballot.
Okay, but is it the government job to help lazy people?
What about costs? Now we have to print ballots for every registered voter, run TV/radio/print ads telling people that it will be vote by mail only, pay for postage to mail ballots and pay for postage to return ballots. Sure, would be less salary at polling places, but have to think will need a lot more people to handle, count all the mail in ballots, they will need training as well as many more hours on election day. Murphy likes to moan about budget issues, but keeps making decisions that do not help the NJ economy.
Fraud/security & Timing - I don't think this is a big issue, but a lot people do and as we saw was their was clearly fraud of mail in election in recent election in Paterson. We also saw some NY primaries that took over 6 weeks to declare a winner. Do we really want to have more lawsuits, uproar, people claiming issues with system? While in person voting not perfect, most feel (especially in NJ) that the system works.
May be other possible issues, but if the main factor is to allow lazy people from having to request a mail in ballot, this is way off the mark.
I'm just giving you my opinion as to why they would be doing this outside of what anyone will actually say.
But, I can certainly make an argument that increasing participation in democracy is a good thing and mailing a ballot to all registered voters (as several states already do) is a good thing.
Agree but you can’t go forward with what Democrats want. any reasonable opponent would challenge the result which is bad for the US but then again the dems will look good in the end if no fraud is uncovered
i don’t think voting should be driven by grassroots groups who pool people to make sure they mail in a specific vote. it’s akin to intimidation at the polls. request mail in and receive, or go to the poll; I’m in favor of having polls open for a few days
I thought that Murphy was doing mail in voting because Trump was opposed to it. Oh wait, that is probably what is the closest to the truth.
Just like I am not in favor of Trump or Republicans from changing the rules or making it easier or harder for people to vote, I am not in favor of the governor ruling on his own to change things. If NJ legislature wants to adjust the states election laws, then they should do it - now or in future.
After months of thanking Trump or refusing to criticize him, Murphy has taken a decidedly anti-Trump turn in his public statements over the last week. This is no doubt a factor in his decision, or at least the timing of the announcement. I guess he realizes he doesn't need Trump's help anymore since the epidemic is pretty much over in New Jersey, so he can resume being political to sure up his base.
^ revisiting. Unfortunately for the country, I wasn’t full of anything but an understanding of who Trump is.
