The epidemic is over in New Jersey? You are saying they even though 3000-4000 cases are reported a day the epidemic is over? Got it
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The epidemic is over in New Jersey? You are saying they even though 3000-4000 cases are reported a day the epidemic is over? Got it
It was over in August. What we're seeing now is a new outbreak, but far less prevalent than the spring. Test positivity is far lower than it was in March and April.
I didn’t say he isn’t leaving. He will be gone soon but he is actively trying to hurt our democracy. This is the kind of garbage we expect from 3rd world countries. Supposed to be better than this in America.
How is he doing that? He's bitter and angry that he lost and he should concede, but he technically doesn't have to. He isn't bringing the country down with him and his hissy fit.
Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll
About half of all Republicans believe President Donald Trump "rightfully won" the U.S. election but that it was stolen from him by widespread voter fraud that favored Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.
www.reuters.com
We have never faced a moment in any of our lifetimes where this many people believe a presidential election was stolen... how the impacts the future isn’t really known, but again that just doesn’t matter to Trump because he puts himself first. Fanning the flames here can only hurt the country.
Trump is acting as I thought he would with a loss.
How that impacts us going forward remains to be seen. If we come out unharmed, in won't be due to a lack of effort by Trump.
Trump is acting like expected, bitter and nasty, time for him to move on. I think what he is doing is more likely to harm the Republican party, then harm the country.
Good morning! 160,000 cases reported daily and 2000+ deaths every day. I do not think the pandemic is "winding down". Per experts we might be looking at 3000+ daily deaths as a result of decisions people made during Thanksgiving in a couple weeks. Is this your definition of "winding down"? I am eager to hear your response. Thank you.
Dear Dum-Dum:
The post you are debating is from August. Maybe your oxygen line is kinked.
Hi @donnie_baseball. I hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving holiday. Yes I know the post I am debating is from August. I am making the point that even in August I knew there would be a second wave in the winter yet the poster I am debating said there would be no second wave of the virus.
Is this any worse than the news media fanning the flames of racism of the least racist country in the world. OR is this calling attention to a problem that exists?
Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll
About half of all Republicans believe President Donald Trump "rightfully won" the U.S. election but that it was stolen from him by widespread voter fraud that favored Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll.
We have never faced a moment in any of our lifetimes where this many people believe a presidential election was stolen... how the impacts the future isn’t really known, but again that just doesn’t matter to Trump because he puts himself first. Fanning the flames here can only hurt the country.
The media can be bad AND Trump can be bad. They are not mutually exclusive.
You can make excuses for him if you would like, but I will stand by that this behavior is abhorrent and hurts our democracy as well as our reputation around the world. Our adversaries aim to cause chaos and destabilize us and Trump is signing on to do more damage there than those adversaries could hope to accomplish.
Wish all the republicans would stop looting and demanding radical and relatively unpopular policies.
Not making an excuse at all. I'm just pointing out the hypocracy that the people saying he is fanning the flames are fanning flames just as big. I'm not saying it's okay for Trump to do it because the media is doing it. And it's not ok for the media to do it because Trump is doing it. It's just become tiring for 75 million Americans to see Trump get bashed for fanning flames when people fanning flames just as big are getting a pat on the back. We haven't had many protests in the last 2 months, I assume nobody in America got shot. Except the great city of Chicago had another 20 people injured over the weekend and 7 killed. 4 shot in Brooklyn on Friday. Shootings in Newark, But it doesn't fit a narrative to fan flames and create the chaos you talk about so it doesn't get covered.
Local Rap Artist Shot Dead During Violent Weekend In Newark
It was a violent weekend in New Jersey's largest city. Two children were injured and an adult was killed in separate shootings in Newark.
newyork.cbslocal.com
Great quote...“We can’t say ‘Black Lives Matter’ when the police kill us and be silent and quiet when we are killing one another. So Black lives has to matter to us in Newark, New Jersey."
Why are you singling out Trump? There is a rich recent history of politicians on both sides doing abhorrent things that hurt our democracy. Do we need to list some of the quotes and actions from HRC, Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, Rudi Guliani, etc?
Orange man all bad. Say it enough and you'll believe it too.
Because I hold the president to a higher standard.
You used to as well when it was a democrat in office. We were able to discuss / debate Obama as President washout having to bring up other politicians.
Here is how you used to view the president...
Are your standards lower now because Trump is a republican or because Trump has destroyed how you view the office?
Sure but it’s one thing to hold to a higher standard and another to obsess about it. Trumps behavior has been downright awful, no question. But he’s not the only reason why we are where we are. Look at the big picture....he was able to get elected because of the childish and boorish behavior of those before him.
and by that logic, Trump is the reason Biden won... but I am sure you will find a way to criticize Biden as the moments to do so are presented, just as you did with Obama and just as we should with any president. Hold them to a high standard and don't excuse when they are actively trying to undermine our democratic process as a bare minimum.
Were there fraudulant votes in this election? Yes. Should the president fight to find out if there was? Yes. Is it going to make a difference in the election outcome? No. But whoever casted that fraudulant vote undermined our democratic process and whoever the president is should want to find out how it happened. Or maybe there is an acceptable number fraudulant votes. Heck next we'll learn there is an acceptable number of racists.
The justice department can investigate.
He should not be ranting on twitter saying this election was stolen. It wasn't.
So why is the president telling people it was rigged, that he won and that it was stolen?
None of that is true.
Of course. As we do every election. If there is a credible allegation of fraud, it is investigated.
It's over. Time for him to move on and stop pretending there is a path where he can win.
Acceptable legally? Of course not.
Acceptable in that they would not change the results of an election? Sure.
Large scale fraud which would be required to change the results on this election just did not happen.
There’s a large percentage of the American people who don’t trust the investigations our government conducts. For example the IRS went after conservative groups well before Trump came down the escalator. Due to playing the game in that manner for years, theres a general lack of trust and you want people they don’t trust to investigate? Do you expect them to say well we screwed up in the past but this time we’re doing an unbiased job? Years of bad behavior have caught up to the government as people watch news stations like they used to watch sports. What’s worse is people are watching opinion shows like they’re news shows.
Trump had a huge impact on Biden winning...a large share of voters lined up as Trump haters or Trump lovers. You don’t think many people voted for Biden because they were exhausted by the Trump/MSM circus?
Dems act so accepting of differing view points until it’s not their point of view. Pres Obama was fine, he pushed the issues he said he’d push and did a good job; no need to apologize to world for America and bend over in the process; and no need to be involved with politics now (talk about unprecedented fanning of flames-). Trump did the same (Did what he said he’d do and actually got a lot done); didn’t need his rhetoric but most of it was directed at lying news stations (and I get some people’s feelings get hurt by words so they can’t separate his words and actions). Enough with your BS higher standard made up subjective crap
Kind of similar to the narrative that Russian interference allowed Trump to win 2016 election, didn't the MSM and Dems push that idea?
Just like any Russian interference didn't change the results, any voter fraud Trump is claiming didn't change the results. Both are politically pushed BS agendas.
But definitely time for Trump to move on.
So? That has nothing to do with this at all. Trump does not have the power to investigate a case of election fraud on his own. It has to be done through an actual legal process... not twitter. People are going to believe what they want to believe. Doesn't help that the president gaslighting on his way out and completely lying.
Russians did try to influence our election to help Trump win though. That did actually happen. The media didn't make that up, but it would have been wrong if Obama as president started saying that Trump didn't actually win, that the system was rigged by Russia and Hillary did not concede.
Right, and that was complete unacceptable in my eyes.
But Dems & MSM seemed to make it like that changed the results of the election (just like Trump is doing), which we know it did not and portrayed Trump as an "illegitimate" President from the beginning. They started the anti Trump movement before he was even in office.
I agree Clinton/Obama handled it well (but a lot of Dems and media did not), and I already said Trump needs to move on.
People need to stop viewing the world through their hatred of Trump and see that these are all the political games (like it or not) that are being played by both sides through social media. I think most people can agree this stuff not good for country whether pushed by Dems or Repubs.
Hillary was hated by millions of people and she ran a bad campaign totally discounting the flyover states as her campaign called them pissing them off even more. Amazing how that has no bearing on her not being elected. It was the Russians?
Well now Trump became the hated guy due to his own tweets and doing and guess what he lost the election too.
Well now Trump became the hated guy due to his own tweets and doing and guess what he lost the election too.
I don't think we will ever really know the true impact Russia had on 2016. I'm not mad Hillary lost. She wasn't a good candidate and didn't run a great campaign, but had Russia not hacked the DNC and Podesta, I am not sure if the outcome would have been the same or not.
But we need to separate what the media is doing from what the president is doing. Hillary and Obama could have spent the period from the election to the inauguration casting doubts on the process. Hillary could have refused to concede etc...
That didn't happen because it would have been wrong. The right thing to do, and what we have expected from every sitting president is a smooth transfer of power to the clear winner. That was Trump in 2016, and that is Biden in 2020.
If anything, those hacked emails simply confirmed that Hilary was who we thought she was. Trump needs to concede. I have to say, though, I am amazed at the number of educated people who continue to try to share youtube videos with me that explain how the election was stolen, whether by voter machine manipulation or tens of thousands of people staying in hotels in GA and voting for Democrats. These people are too smart to believe stuff that's completely implausible, so I wonder where the kernel of truth is?
Thus far, I haven't watched one of these videos. Maybe I should.
when it comes to politics and especially trump dont give people credit for being too smart. there is no reason or logic applied anymore on either side.
It didn't happen because they moved right to impeachment....lol
Wow. People are not bright or intentionally one sided if they don’t see that the collusion crap was the manifestation of dems believing that the election was stolen. love how Dems won but they still want to dump on Trump. I assume it’s just building up there mountain of excuses for their future failures which are inevitable when every social issue they design actually hurts or at a minimum stunts the growth of their constituents.
Absolutely, but it did have an impact on the election.
Likely no kernel of truth at all from the stuff I have seen, but can't really give an opinion without knowing which ones you are talking about. fwiw, any conspiracy theory which requires tens of thousands of people to be in on it and not say anything is probably not true.
