Re-assessing the roster

[Piratz]

You are making my point.
We played great against Nova in first half with a spectacular offensive performance of Wusu leading the way.

Wusu and the team could not sustain it in the second half and we went on to lose because Dixon is unstoppable and we could not finish plays on offense

Yes, we are 2-16. We are not good.
We are playing better basketball. All these things can be true.

Yes instead of getting blown out by Monmouth or Butler or DePaul we’re losing more competitively the last 3 games after getting waxed by 24 at Marquette. But this improvement is still not good enough to actually win BE games. We’re still losing, giving away games. This team will not grow from here without major improvements to the roster. Bottom line is if we have the money Sha will upgrade the roster. He’s not rolling it back like this. There are roles for Dual and others in there somewhere.

 

[sami]

I could not disagree more.

Guess we'll see.

Just not as a starting point guard. But will an “NBA Prospect” accept a 6th man bench role?

 

[sami]

If I had a choice, knowing it’s SHU and we’re money strapped, as of today my wish list for a balance of new talent/continuity would be:

Starters
New PG
New 2G
Coleman
New PF
Godswill

Bench
Dual
Felton
Middleton
Aligbe
Mid-Major 2G
Freshman
Freshman
Gus

 

[Burnsly]

After tonight I think we'll have a better idea if Godswill deserves that starting role next year. No doubt he's our most improved player.

 

[LBP43]

After tonight I think we'll have a better idea if Godswill deserves that starting role next year. No doubt he's our most improved player.

Really tough matchup for Godswill the next 2 Games -- would like to see him be more physical but know he will hustle

 

[shu67]

Godswill has been playing better but I have watched a ton of college hoops and from my perspective he is undersized as is the whole SHU front court. Maybe if you added a stud power forward with size you could get away with Godswill at the 5 spot but do you really see that happening? I don't.

Just look at some of the top teams and the front courts they have. Most start with a 7 footer at the 5 spot. Michigan starts 2 7 footers. and if the top teams don't have 7 footers they are a tad smaller but big wide bodies.

Sorry but if we go into next year with Godswill at the 5 spot and don't beef up the front court bigly we are doomed for another bad season.

Sure the back court needs help but the problems are deeper than that.

 

[dehere23]

Our team is offensively challenged because it cannot shoot. It impacts assists. Your saying he doesn't get in the lane when teams simply pack the lane because we cannot shoot the 3 well. To blame Dual for the many offensive deficiencies of the roster really makes no sense. The drop-off from Dual to Felton makes most games unwinnable for us.

With all that being said, Dual does get in the lane all the time. He is not proficient in finishing as he needs greater strength to absorb contact.

With all THAT being said, he had 5 true assists against a very good St John's defense. How many "hockey" assists did he have as well? Seems fairly productive in the assists category. Like this one:

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Or maybe the one around 25:10 seconds of this linked video where he goes by Luis and gets into the lane for an alley oop to Godswill.

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You think Dual had a good game against SJU?

 

[hallwins]

You think Dual had a good game against SJU?

I think Dual played well in spurts. He cannot finish at the rim right now. He was far from our problem during the St John's game.

5 assists
2 turnovers
1 block

When he left game and Felton came in, drop off was huge.

He needs to create shots for himself. He cannot play that many minutes and take a few shots.

Needs to rebound more

 

[dehere23]

I think Dual played well in spurts. He cannot finish at the rim right now. He was far from our problem during the St John's game.

5 assists
2 turnovers
1 block

When he left game and Felton came in, drop off was huge.

He needs to create shots for himself. He cannot play that many minutes and take a few shots.

Needs to rebound more

I think that's fair. In 28 minutes, he had 1 point, 1 rebound and fouled out -- those are the negatives not specifically mentioned. He only took 2 shots, so finishing at the rim wasn't a huge issue, because he really didn't try much to finish at the rim, in a game where our best success was DAW doing that. My biggest critique of him is that it's so much dribbling around outside the 3-point circle with nothing accomplished.

I'm not so focused on the drop off to Felton as a measure of how Dual plays because Felton wouldn't be playing at all on most all other BE teams.

 

[Piratz]

Dual’s offensive rating against SJU was a freaking 62, lol.

We looked better at times bc DAW drove.

 

[TheHall87]

I am very surprised how many posters want to run back a lot of this year's roster. What is the old saying about insanity?

I think you're overstating the case. We cannot bring in 10-13 new players and expect to be much improved. It could happen but that's really tough to do. You need some continuity and that doesn't mean the returnees fill the same roles.

In one of the other threads regarding next year's roster, I posted the stats of the returnees from our 1985-86 team without names attached and asked who you would want to keep.

Shockingly, (lol) nobody responded. I guess nobody wanted to be the person to say Gerald Greene or Ramon Ramos should have been pushed aside after their first years. Or that Mark Bryant wouldn't have been worth whatever it would have cost then to retain.

The point is, this is a young team and there should be solid improvement in many players. They'll also need to be supplemented with better players.

 

[HallLine69]

My thoughts on Dual.

1. He is a first rate defensive guard. If he stays at the Hall he will be one of the best if not the best in the conference.

2. On offense he is not as proficient. In short he is not a finished product there. But if you watch his game he has the ability to grow. His handle is already Big East quality. His court vision is as well. He controls tempo which is what he is being asked to do but he has to learn to finish at the rim, get much stronger and work on his jumper outside the paint.

We are talking about SHU here. Sure our NIL is going to improve by leaps and bounds, but Dual will come at a reasonable price and if you project on his potential he absolutely can become our starting point. He has the work ethic, but for that to happen he must improve on his offensive issues.

Bring him back and recruit another high quality point and let them compete. There's 40 minutes available at the position and maybe more if they play together.

100% agree with your take here.

 

[dehere23]

100% agree with your take here.

I'm in favor of keeping him for lots of reasons, at the right price of course.

But is there any PG or lead guard on another Big East team you wouldn't take over him right now? Maybe there is an I'm forgetting or not thinking of the player. When I start to formulate the list, I think of teams that have not just a PG but multiple lead-type guards I would take over the current version of Dual who would improve our team. Which means I think there are plenty of options out there for us to secure, whether to compete with Dual for minutes or be a defined "starter" with Dual off the bench.