I don’t think so. A lot of neutral observers were wailing about the refereeing in that game, particularly in crucial moments. When your ref goes over and warns the student section to be quiet, you know it’s not your night.
Refs handed that to Creighton
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We got away with a ton of no calls as well. Including another Kadary push off to tie the game in one of the overtime’s. No way you can blame refs in a game that’s tight the entire way.
No way? Really? We still win the game if we hit our FTs, but that non call on the 5 sec violation resulted in OT all by itself. Without it, we have the ball , up 2 with 12 seconds left in reg.
Proud of this team, however. We were down 4 late in reg, and then 5 in one of the OTs, and I thought we were finished at both points.
I also got texts from St. John's fan and Nova fan who thought we got screwed on these calls in OT.
This. We were down 4 with 13 seconds left in the 2OT and should've won right there. Wild.
The 5-second call is the one for me. We can debate physical fouls back and forth but that was incompetence.
No we handed it to Creighton. Don't blame the Refs.
Kalkbrenner had 28 points and he could have easily had 38 points or more if his teammates found him the other times he was alone 5 to 10 feet from the basket. All game he was setting screens and then racing/rolling to the basket where he was either alone or being guarded by a SHU player 6'6" or smaller for an easy dunk or layup. He also missed a few point blank shots.
The game plan to guard him was BAD! Our centers and SHA fell right into the Creighton game plan and switched for some dumb reason to a smaller player when Ryan set an outside screen for a guard. Give Ryan credit to outsmarting the player guarding him and rolling umpteen times to the basket. Even the commentators were pointing it out.
When he was actually guarded by Bediako or EHE his shots were at leasst contested.
Kalkbrenner had 28 points and he could have easily had 38 points or more if his teammates found him the other times he was alone 5 to 10 feet from the basket. All game he was setting screens and then racing/rolling to the basket where he was either alone or being guarded by a SHU player 6'6" or smaller for an easy dunk or layup. He also missed a few point blank shots.
The game plan to guard him was BAD! Our centers and SHA fell right into the Creighton game plan and switched for some dumb reason to a smaller player when Ryan set an outside screen for a guard. Give Ryan credit to outsmarting the player guarding him and rolling umpteen times to the basket. Even the commentators were pointing it out.
When he was actually guarded by Bediako or EHE his shots were at leasst contested.
Until the end when they called a ticky tack foul at the most pivotal moment.
One could argue that block on Kalkbrenner was a foul as well but this was a heart breaker. Still pounding my head a day later.
It would be nice walking out with the W but we can see that this team will fight to the very end and that promising.
You can’t move except after a made basket. He took not 1 but 2 steps. I believe the ref gave him the TO instead of calling it. He obviously moved before he called it.
That’s wrong. You have a 3 foot window you can move in.
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Rule 9 spells it out for you. Find me something other than your word.
First off, this isn’t a rule book it’s a news article. Second, assuming what he writes is correct, a 3 foot area is basically shoulder width so by taking 2 steps it’s impossible for him to NOT move outside that 3foot space. It’s not 3 feet in any direction, it’s as if you’re in a cylinder. So you can rotate but can’t move in any direction. Step outside that cylinder and it’s a violation. He knew it and called TO which came after the violation but the refs allowed it.Most misunderstood basketball rules explained
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Rule 9 spells it out for you. Find me something other than your word.
Show me a rule book that’s says you’re right. Take the L on this one. Watched the replay 20 times and as Dave Sims says, the question is did he step on the line before the TO. Travel was not the issue. You can even see Sha pointing towards the line.
That was a completely different play. It wasn't 5 seconds, it was 7. Another one of 50 calls the refs were terrible on all day and terrible both ways. Go read a Creighton message board, they'll say the same thing refs were terrible.
Difference is the terrible officiating gave them the win while we get a big, fat L!
No you saw him mimicking that he shuffled both feet. That is exactly what happened. He left the designated area he is confined to in a side out inbound.
You don’t address my point that EVEN if this is accurate, he leaves the 3 ft area.
No he didn’t. You can YouTube it. It’s not even close. The sign behind him says let’s be healthy. His body never leaves the word Let’s.
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Rule 7, section 6, article 8
Read up you only need to keep one foot in the 3 feet area and travel rules don’t apply. You’re wrong. His body never left the word let’s in the sign behind him.
If that’s what happened are you saying our coach doesn’t know the rule??? That wouldn’t be good.
Yes, that is not subjective. Count! Specially in that situation. CU got some critical bad calls too.
Also, regardless of what the rule book says, I have never seen a guy shuffle his feet on a side out of bounds and not get called for a violation.. I also seem to recall referees making the travel signal when they called it.
Correct - you can move a step either way but not more than that. Creighton took 4 steps- violation.
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Pages 78-79 of the rule book. Rule 7, section 6, article 8.
If the rulebook has it wrong, I apologize.
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It's probably the one thing you could say the refs got right. The game was terribly officiated, but equally terrible for both teams.
Just boggles my mind people want to beat their chest saying they know the rules as opposed to having a little humility and taking the 5 minutes to read up on it and admit they don't know everything and learned something.
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Thanks for the rulebook post. They got article 8 right, it would seem. As for article 6, not so much.
Art. 6. The thrower-in shall release the ball not more than five seconds after the
throw-in count begins.
You are correct, but that was a different play. The play in question in which many think he traveled he got the timeout in less than 5 seconds. I actually looked up to see if you can call back to back timeouts, which Creighton did and I couldn't find anything against it. But it took Creighton 3 times to get that ball inbounds. I believe it was the no travel call, timeout, then the 7 seconds, timeout, then the layup.
I forget the sequence, but it was two TO's before the actual in bound. Thanks again for posting the book, it is now saved for reference.
That crew had already heard two earfuls from McDermott- no doubt on the inbound play CU was given the benefit of the doubt.
That crew had already heard two earfuls from McDermott- no doubt on the inbound play CU was given the benefit of the doubt.
Why was Jay Wright treated differently? How refs delayed our ft shooters while McDermott whined really bugged me.
Well he is the current Dean of Big East coaches. Has been at his school longer than any other coach.
Throw in count must have started 3 seconds after he gave the player the ball. LOL. I don't think anyone would say the refs were good the other day, including Creighton fans.
This! I sit in section 8 row 9 on the left side. McDermott was right in front of me abusing the refs especially the tall guy all game. He deserved a T, wasn’t called so you can say he was helping his team, fair enough. But if you’re a ref willing to take that kind of abuse your going to get more and more of it.
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