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Refs handed that to Creighton

Terrible call but missed free throws. If only Rumeal missed at least 1. if Rumeal missed 2 it would've been the greatest call ever. It's all about what you do next.
I don’t think so. I think the whole world that watched the ‘89 game wanted to see Terry Mills—or Higgins or whoever got the kick out from Robinson—either make or miss the shot for the game.

I know I would have been shaking my head the same way now even if Robinson missed then. You just don’t make that call when nothing happened.
 
Creighton leads the country in defensive FTA:FGA. They were 2nd in 2023, 4th in 2022.

How they coach to achieve this I don’t know.
 
Turns out you can't travel out of bounds. It's an actual rule. I didn't know it til hallball I believe posted it. Google it. You have an area to throw from. When guys run the baseline when they're not allowed to, they get out of the area, which creates the turnover. Nothing about having to keep a pivot foot.
Bad calls happened all game, but they were judgment calls. You can say the hack on Kalk, what about the block on Wusu that Kalk got all hand and arm and didn’t touch the ball, the play on kadary on the first half where Richmond hit the shot and Kalk fouled him but no call? Refs didn’t call a lot both ways…. But the out of bands play is not a judgment call. He took 2 big steps and Shaheen was all over it. He took 2 more shuffle also but it’s questionable if they were before or after TO was called. Ref knew he blew it, you’d think you’d get a makeup call right after with the 5 seconds but no, and I won’t even get upset with that as much because it’s again, a judgment call. Even though counting slow I got to 6 seconds. Add in the phantom foul call on kadary on the steal?

With all that shu should still have won the game.. Ft’s missed, dumb shots taken, and credit to Creighton for hitting shots…but the inbounds violation gets called odds are this game doesn’t go any further if they get the ball into Dawes… crazy things happen, but odds are better it doesn’t go any further than it does
 
It was absolutely a travel. I don't understand the review rule. Some things get reviewed and others don't. That kid walked. Unless the bench called a time out, it was missed.

All that being said their PG made play after play down the stretch.
Somewhat simple. You can't review something that wasn't called.

For instance you can only review a shot clock violation if it was called on the floor. The refs can't go back and review if one should have been called.

You can't assess a common foul during review (a flagrant or technical can be assessed during review if one is warranted).

You can't review a travel as that is considered a judgment call (just as fouls aren't generally reviewed). I don't believe the five-second call could have been reviewed but it would have had to be called first if it could be.

New this year is goaltending calls can be reviewed, but again that call must be made to review, the officials can't assess a goaltending violation retroactively.

Review on most reviewable plays, possession on out-of-bounds calls for example, is only in effect for the last two minutes of regulation and overtime.

Outside of that the only things that typically can be reviewed are timing issues and anything involving an altercation that might include upgrading a common foul to a flagrant or assessing a flagrant or technical.

I'm sure there are scenarios that I've missed but that covers most of it.
 
Somewhat simple. You can't review something that wasn't called.

For instance you can only review a shot clock violation if it was called on the floor. The refs can't go back and review if one should have been called.

You can't assess a common foul during review (a flagrant or technical can be assessed during review if one is warranted).

You can't review a travel as that is considered a judgment call (just as fouls aren't generally reviewed). I don't believe the five-second call could have been reviewed but it would have had to be called first if it could be.

New this year is goaltending calls can be reviewed, but again that call must be made to review, the officials can't assess a goaltending violation retroactively.

Review on most reviewable plays, possession on out-of-bounds calls for example, is only in effect for the last two minutes of regulation and overtime.

Outside of that the only things that typically can be reviewed are timing issues and anything involving an altercation that might include upgrading a common foul to a flagrant or assessing a flagrant or technical.

I'm sure there are scenarios that I've missed but that covers most of it.
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That is not the rule. Feet can move. The inbounder has a lane that he must stay in. Moving the feet is not a violation as long as he stays in that lane.
This is Carino wrote about it: After calling out the refs for two obvious misses in crunch time, The foul that negated Dawes two pointer and sent Kadary to the line and the missed 5 second call on Scheurman's out of bounds play. Replays showed that he called time out after 5.7 seconds. We should have gotten the ball.... but heres what he said about the controversial no call on the travel on the out of bounds:
Jerry writes....."They did get one call correct. Before Scheierman's inbounds timeout at the end of regulation, another Creighton inbounder moved a few steps from his spot. Holloway wanted a travel called and the television announcers echoed that, but contrary to popular opinion the inbounder doesn't have to be planted like a statue there. He can't take off and run, but he's allowed to move within a short sphere." At best, the rule must be written in a vague way since there is so much doubt about it. I have never seen a player not get called for a travel when he took steps on an out of bounds like that.
 
The refs were bad both ways.At least they were consistent and let the players play.
They were NOT consistent.... that is the problem. Just because they made bad calls both ways does not make them consistent. They let obvious fouls go and called "phantom fouls" or made no calls on obvious offensive fouls and moving picks. The one call we can point to that cost us the game in regulation was Scheirman's time out at the 5.7 mark. That should be an automatic call and should at least be reviewable. Not crying about all of this...... jes sayin'....
 
Bad calls happened all game, but they were judgment calls. You can say the hack on Kalk, what about the block on Wusu that Kalk got all hand and arm and didn’t touch the ball, the play on kadary on the first half where Richmond hit the shot and Kalk fouled him but no call? Refs didn’t call a lot both ways…. But the out of bands play is not a judgment call. He took 2 big steps and Shaheen was all over it. He took 2 more shuffle also but it’s questionable if they were before or after TO was called. Ref knew he blew it, you’d think you’d get a makeup call right after with the 5 seconds but no, and I won’t even get upset with that as much because it’s again, a judgment call. Even though counting slow I got to 6 seconds. Add in the phantom foul call on kadary on the steal?

With all that shu should still have won the game.. Ft’s missed, dumb shots taken, and credit to Creighton for hitting shots…but the inbounds violation gets called odds are this game doesn’t go any further if they get the ball into Dawes… crazy things happen, but odds are better it doesn’t go any further than it does
He took 4 steps out of bounds. Theres no rule against that. And there’s a picture on the game thread, Kalks hand is touching the ball. Some egregious calls both ways but you can take 20 steps out of bounds if you don’t leave the area of where you’re inbounding the ball. Use google, I was shocked to see the rule myself. I believe it’s a 3 foot area you are allowed to move within.
 
I don’t think so. I think the whole world that watched the ‘89 game wanted to see Terry Mills—or Higgins or whoever got the kick out from Robinson—either make or miss the shot for the game.

I know I would have been shaking my head the same way now even if Robinson missed then. You just don’t make that call when nothing happened.
Given that it was OT of the National Championship game with 3 seconds left and a one point game, this was the worst call of all time in college OR professional sports. About 25 years later before he died, Clougherty finally admitted he "might" have been a little quick on the whistle.
 
Some things cannot be judgement calls, like taking SEVEN SECONDS to let them call a timeout on a 5 second inbound clock. That is absolutely unacceptable at the end of a game.
That's all well and good but if it wasn't called as a violation, they still can't review it.

We can scream until we're blue in the face about it but it's not going to change the result.

FWIW, we got the benefit of a five-second violation near the end of the 2016 BET final against Villanova that I later clocked at 4.2 seconds. My memory is fuzzy but I don't recall many complaints about that.
 
That's all well and good but if it wasn't called as a violation, they still can't review it.

We can scream until we're blue in the face about it but it's not going to change the result.

FWIW, we got the benefit of a five-second violation near the end of the 2016 BET final against Villanova that I later clocked at 4.2 seconds. My memory is fuzzy but I don't recall many complaints about that.
The point was not that they should review it, but that they should call it correctly in the first place.
 
He took 4 steps out of bounds. Theres no rule against that. And there’s a picture on the game thread, Kalks hand is touching the ball. Some egregious calls both ways but you can take 20 steps out of bounds if you don’t leave the area of where you’re inbounding the ball. Use google, I was shocked to see the rule myself. I believe it’s a 3 foot area you are allowed to move within.
Not correct - on a sideline in- bound you are only allowed one step.
 
Given that it was OT of the National Championship game with 3 seconds left and a one point game, this was the worst call of all time in college OR professional sports. About 25 years later before he died, Clougherty finally admitted he "might" have been a little quick on the whistle.
I believe Mr. Clougherty is still alive.
 
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The Creighton foul when we stole the inbounds and KR passed to an open Dawes killed us and one of the worse calls I’ve ever seen. In any part of a game or in any other game that would NEVER be called a foul.
If Dawes weren't clear under the basket and Kadary had no one to pass to, , would a foul called on Kadary's defender been one of the worst fouls you've ever seen?
 
As much as we all know and criticize Pat Driscoll (myself included), it was Evan Burroughs that overlooked both the potential travel and the 5 second call on the Creighton in-bounds play at end of regulation and also called the phantom foul on Creighton that took the bucket off the boards for us in the 2nd OT. So three doozies at end of game for Mr. Burroughs.
 
I got texts from a Nova fan and a Providence fan who watched the game and both guys thought we got screwed by the refs. Both guys cited the no call on the inbounds play that took over 5 secs and the phantom foul call on Dawes layup. They had no horse in the race.
 
I don’t think the refs tilted the outcome in any particular direction. There were missed calls and bad calls that both sides could point to if they lost. That’s being said, warning the student section to tone it down is beyond soft for a group of grown men.
Good thing they didn't hear the angry rants from the guys sitting a few rows back from me! LOL
 
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Late in the game, maybe OT when we blocked a shot and came up with the rebound, before a whistle, he was at least 5' on the court near the Seton Hall players who had the ball.
 
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He also spent a lot of time in the 2nd half in front of his bench as we were shooting FT's screaming at the one ref in his face. I was shocked at how much they allowed him to scream at them. I was waiting for the crowd to quiet and it didn't after that. I wanted to say, McDermott, YOU'RE WHO HURLEY WAS TALKING ABOUT!
 
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