And recruiting (tampering) is a yearlong process. Do we not think that Kadary was getting calls during the season or Middleton for that matter. Opportunity for more handlers and more conversations.
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Players and coaches have the right to go where they want, and so do fans.
Wish KR the best, but SJU or Rutgers would bother me a bit. Much like an ex showing up to thanksgiving dinner with your brother. Some good will would be lost.
Wish KR the best, but SJU or Rutgers would bother me a bit. Much like an ex showing up to thanksgiving dinner with your brother. Some good will would be lost.
I don't really believe that. Fans root for uniforms and not players. If Seton Hall and Rutgers traded their entire rosters who would you root for? I am guessing Seton Hall with a roster of RU kids.
It will be the coaches job not the schools to assemble the team. Coaches job description has changed. Gone are the days when coaches waited for players to develop. Every year is now harder than the last for coaches, have to believe lots of older coaches will start packing it in soon. Coaches are well paid but are going to be working harder to earn the same money. I do get your point about the school but at least we now have a good practice facility.
Good analogy, made me cringe reading LOL. Been saying money changes everything, look at the reception Cooley got in Providence. All bets are off when players started getting paid, I will not be booing but not sure how the Rock would respond if KR joined Pitino at St. John’s.
Of course that’s one take, but pretty dumb for a grown adult to look at a 21 year old kid and say $1m isn’t life changing.
Now I’m not going to say Kadary will do anything responsible with the money and taxes are a thing, but he could drop $500k into an account and pretty comfortably draw $20k per year for most if not all of his life. What do you think his mom’s salary is? Would adding $20k to anyone’s number on an annual basis not be meaningful? If he’s in the g-league next year, an extra $20k cushion would be a significant double digit percentage in addition.
It’s sad that some look at these players through their lens instead of understanding that many did not grow up in strong family environments with food and shelter security. I’m not saying Kadary grew up in poverty, but to dismiss a $1m payday as ho-hum to a 21/22 year old is asinine.
Forget the student part of student athlete we've proven that's a complete joke, at this point chapel Hill could probably sue for the money they got fined for those bogus classes and win. Aside from that circus though, how do players actually develop in this landscape? I would think they can't reach their full potential constantly changing schools.
Legit question: who was Sha’s last NBA pick?
Not at all. It's a small thing when viewed through the lens of only college basketball, but those small things are happening in all aspects of life and they add up...
Gee, I’m probably considered high net worth and a $1m beach house would absolutely change my life.
Yes, $1m doesn’t go far on the beach but let’s not be stupid here.
With all of the ultra high net worth people posting here that scoff at $1m, I’m utterly shocked we have NIL issues.
I am sure most SHU fans would be livid if a 6'10 kid from RU names Cliff was wearing a SHU uni next year. We could never want to see an RU kid in SHU blue.
Would it be any different if Kooks just transferred before the pfp crap? IMO it is easier to forgive now. Cause while there could be many reasons, we can always blame the money now.
Could well be, but it seems like every time a high-profile kid enters the portal, seemingly bound for one particular destination, they soon find out their market value is considerably higher than they had thought. So while Kadary might be thinking St. John's, there is always some place with more to spend, and he's going to find out. This is one case where if it wasn't all about money, he'd still be a Pirate.
That doesn’t make sense to me. Yes $ is a factor, but all of these kids think they are going to have good professional aspirations. If a kid thought playing for a coach or a school thought it would derail their professional career, why would they ever do that? It makes no sense. No doubt the money is a huge driving force, but a kid isn’t going to play somewhere where they think it won’t also help their basketball development.
I take the first part of your post is sarcastic. Because there would be a celebration of celebrations if Big Cliff was here as the foundation of Sha’s defense.
It's 2 players replacing one. We need Posh + Middleton to replace Richmond and Dawes, not just Kadary.
Regarding loyalty and what a player owes a program and what he does not:
I have always said I am all for a player maximizing his payout in what for most is a very limited earning window. Most of these guys aren't going to be pros, let alone play in the NBA, so if their next move after college is to get a "real job," there are very few cases where they are going to earn this much in a year any time soon, if ever. So I say go get it. It's legal, and they'd be foolish to let the opportunity pass by. The game has used them for generations, so it's only fair they get to use the game now, too. It's not great for us fans, but it's also not really about us.
That isn't to say, however, that we don't matter at all. We are, after all the ones who ultimately make the sport as profitable as it is, so there are times when we have to factor into the equation. Because we are still so stepped in "the old way of doing things," it hurts to see a kid like Kadary go. It feels like a betrayal, but it really isn't. It's just a kid trying to make the most of his earning window. I think a lot of us do that in our careers, too, no? So when I step outside my fanhood, I understand him leaving.
But if you leave on good terms, there are also some things you ought not to smush back in the faces of your coach, your old teammates, or the fans who supported you. I don't like the idea of transferring within the conference, especially to a local. Kadary going to St. John's would be a slap in the face to us, mostly because it's not necessary. Her could get that money from plenty of other (and better) programs. The same would apply to him going to Rutgers, though that seems very unlikely. In both cases, it would erase so much of the good will he's built up. I feel that way and I'm one of the more pro-player-rights people there are.
I think that intra-conference movement is mitigated somewhat when the former program greases the skids for you to go. Dylan Addae-Wusu is a good example; Quick Rick didn't care to keep him, so to me, that's fair enough. The two situations are not equal.
I have always said I am all for a player maximizing his payout in what for most is a very limited earning window. Most of these guys aren't going to be pros, let alone play in the NBA, so if their next move after college is to get a "real job," there are very few cases where they are going to earn this much in a year any time soon, if ever. So I say go get it. It's legal, and they'd be foolish to let the opportunity pass by. The game has used them for generations, so it's only fair they get to use the game now, too. It's not great for us fans, but it's also not really about us.
That isn't to say, however, that we don't matter at all. We are, after all the ones who ultimately make the sport as profitable as it is, so there are times when we have to factor into the equation. Because we are still so stepped in "the old way of doing things," it hurts to see a kid like Kadary go. It feels like a betrayal, but it really isn't. It's just a kid trying to make the most of his earning window. I think a lot of us do that in our careers, too, no? So when I step outside my fanhood, I understand him leaving.
But if you leave on good terms, there are also some things you ought not to smush back in the faces of your coach, your old teammates, or the fans who supported you. I don't like the idea of transferring within the conference, especially to a local. Kadary going to St. John's would be a slap in the face to us, mostly because it's not necessary. Her could get that money from plenty of other (and better) programs. The same would apply to him going to Rutgers, though that seems very unlikely. In both cases, it would erase so much of the good will he's built up. I feel that way and I'm one of the more pro-player-rights people there are.
I think that intra-conference movement is mitigated somewhat when the former program greases the skids for you to go. Dylan Addae-Wusu is a good example; Quick Rick didn't care to keep him, so to me, that's fair enough. The two situations are not equal.
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I'd be glad to get him -- I mean, he'd be a terrific fit for our team! -- but I wouldn't admire his character leaving Rutgers (who clearly would love to have him back) for their archrival.
Didn’t “care to keep him” is likely not right.
And remember we were going to take Posh too.
The horse is long out of the born on the intra-conference transfers.
If these kids are professionals now, nothing wrong with it.
My understanding was that neither was welcome back; Addae-Wusu outright, and Posh after breaking terms of his conditional return.
While I agree....There's never been a rent a player format in any sport. That's exactly what college sports has become. Imagine Mahomes, Brady, Montana, Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc moving from team to team every single year. Yeah maybe it's great to find an Andrew Gaze here and there but it's no fun to root for 10+ different guys every single year. It's just not going to be fun to root for the front of the jersey knowing full well nobody wearing the jersey cares about the front of the jersey.
I hope his horse gets destroyed next week even though he will be one of the favorites
Per the St. John’s fans on trolleys discord:
Posh was welcomed back, but went to dinner with his girlfriend and skipped a mandatory workout with Rick & Co
Wusu was never welcomed back as there were some rumors that he punched a student manager in the face and Anderson handled it quietly w/ $ which was part of the for cause firing
I’ll meet you at the derby. Let’s steal his horse for ransom $
I don’t doubt that $$$ are the top issue but Pitino can weave a compelling story about the scores of players he has helped into the league. And ultimately that’s what KR wants.
He'll have to fork about $400,000 over to Uncle Sam, for starters. Can't imagine he has any business write offs. Right @SPK145 ?
And the obnoxious state and local nyc tax.He'll have to fork about $400,000 over to Uncle Sam, for starters. Can't imagine he has any business write offs. Right @SPK145 ?
He'll have tons of business write-offs.He'll have to fork about $400,000 over to Uncle Sam, for starters. Can't imagine he has any business write offs. Right @SPK145 ?
