if it bleeds it leads. Rt seems like a very useful tool even if just directional. the end is coming because theres also a ton of money being lost by certain industries who need to get back to normal.
Rt lookin good
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I tend to agree. While the media still loves pumping the panic, I think the end is near. Between the number of people who have had it (likely 7-10 times greater than the reported number) and ramping up vaccination, the US will reach herd immunity within a few months.
people will just start giving up. one year mark is a pretty hard line that most will draw, i think
Begs the question: do we need another stimulus package this time with the price tag of like $2T?
Rt is useful but has seems a better as an estimate for what has occurred and not what will occur.
The most reliable metrics for the current environment is the change in the positivity rate and the change in new hospitalization. It’s been fairly consistent that once you see the positivity rate go up, hospitalizations are about to increase and happens on the down swing as well.
Also, no need to use quotes around “pandemic”
This is a global pandemic that has taken millions of lives.
Depends on If you think stimulating the economy so we recover faster is worth the cost. I’d say yes.
That’s not totally accurate Merge and not totally wrongful for 09 to use quotes. “pandemic” we are talking about is to be distinguished from other ongoing pandemics like influenza, AIDS, Ebola ....
I hope it’s almost over, we are all ready to move on...and when it is hopefully we will all appreciate the little things that we took for granted. I miss a good Spanish meal before a SHU game with friends. Hoping those family restaurants are still there when we come back.
Per CNN, we are at not at the "beginning of the end". We are at the "end of the beginning". Per CNN the dark winter will just be starting this month. Per the doctor quoted in this article, US will not reach herd immunity until beginning of 2022 and we will not be able to totally end mask wearing and social distancing until 2024.
www.cnn.com
'The end of the beginning.' The dark winter is here and Americans see no end
January saw a record number of coronavirus deaths, with even more predicted by the end of February. Vaccines have arrived and others are on the way, yet more contagious variants of the coronavirus have emerged. As tens of millions of Americans await vaccinations, lagging inoculation numbers and...
www.cnn.com
What about it?
They project unemployment doesn't reach pre-pandemic levels until 2024.
Participation rate doesn't recover to pre-pandemic levels meaning many of the jobs lost never come back.
Not necessarily great news there.
Good job pointing out a “bad” fact, Auditor, particularly one as straightforward as unemployment % .
prepandemic levels for GDP and labor force by June 2021 and 2022 respectively .... but I guess we need to spend another 2T. Maybe we can commit money to finding big foot.
"pre-pandemic" GDP and labor force means where are where we were with no consideration for population growth, and GDP being the same 7/1/2021 and 12/31/2019 is not a good thing.
To put it in context.. Would you say that the economy was strong 7/1/2010 because GDP was the same as before the market crashed?
Not interested in finding big foot. Just ensuring that we recover as quickly as possible by investing in our economic future.
Nonsense. Other events have resulted in similar pauses in growth, and declines. I’m sure there won’t be any pork. What long term good did the last stimulus do?
Not nonsense. You just don't understand what the report said.
No one said that.
You should read the CBO report.
"Most recently, in late December, the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 (Public Law 116-260), appropriated funds for the remainder of fiscal year 2021, provided additional emergency funding for federal agencies to respond to the public health emergency created by the pandemic, and provided financial support to households, businesses, and nonfederal governments affected by the economic downturn, among other measures. CBO estimates that the pandemic-related provisions in that legislation will add $774 billion to the deficit in fiscal year 2021 and $98 billion in 2022.3 Those provisions will boost the level of real GDP by 1.5 percent, on average, in calendar years 2021 and 2022, CBO estimates; the bulk of the impact will occur in 2021"
Chilling trend: A longer, deadlier pandemic
Mutated versions of the coronavirus could prolong the pandemic for years.
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Hello. The media is now pushing the narrative that the pandemic is far from over. Interesting. Does anyone remember when I said this would happen? The media will keep saying the pandemic is far from over and mask wearing will continue to be enforced for years to come.
You may very well be right. The world is turning into “The Haves” and “The Have Nots” the essential and the non essential. Glad I did a fair amount of traveling the world when I was younger. With Trump gone the media needs something to sell. Divide the country, those that obey and those that resist. Division keeps people tuned into the next 24 hour cycle. Is this real or fake or somewhere in the middle. Now more than ever it’s important for folks to find a balance they can live with.Chilling trend: A longer, deadlier pandemic
Mutated versions of the coronavirus could prolong the pandemic for years.
Hello. The media is now pushing the narrative that the pandemic is far from over. Interesting. Does anyone remember when I said this would happen? The media will keep saying the pandemic is far from over and mask wearing will continue to be enforced for years to come.
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Thank you. I believe people on this board are starting to see I have been correct. The media will be pushing this narrative as well as the narrative that "masks are not that hard to wear" and "people should wear masks for the common good". The US government will enforce mask wearing for years to come. This is why Joseph R. Biden has now made it mandatory for mask wearing on national transportation. This will be enforced long after covid is gone.
this looka like the closes thing to Rt.live. cowards. the second it looks good they take it down. this site now has only 1 state increasing. hah oregon go figure
Virus fear mongering is good for business. Remember that as you see hyperbolic stories in the media as we come out of this over the next few months.
Those who have profited from the last year of constant virus stories (Anthony Fauci, Scott Gottlieb, Tom Frieden, Leana Wen, Bill Gates, Michael Osterholm, Andrew Cuomo, etc.) will not go silently into the night.
Those who have profited from the last year of constant virus stories (Anthony Fauci, Scott Gottlieb, Tom Frieden, Leana Wen, Bill Gates, Michael Osterholm, Andrew Cuomo, etc.) will not go silently into the night.
its hard because im trying to get check my own sanity and actions. i do take some precautions but need to start seeing change. got weddings and friends to see coming up.
i dont test my luck, i want avoid the virus. but what does that mean.
It’s unfortunate, because the scare tactics of the MSM and politicization of it by our political leaders has done exactly that. People are all over the map and feel that it’s more important to take a side then to use common sense in addressing this pandemic.
My daughter, who is getting married this summer (after postponing it three times this past year) is going ahead with it. We have been communicating with all of the invited guests and at this point we are leaving it up to them in terms of their comfort level in attending the celebration the way we are going to have it.
make sure you have at least some precautions like having hand sanitizer and hand out masks (can make them wedding themed) and just be upfront in communicating/finding out who is at risk of spreading or getting.
my weddings are actually all outside. but my brother in law's sister had a 200 person wedding in october that became a superspreader after finding out the groom had covid after the wedding. (chance he knew about it)
By the time they have the wedding, vaccines would have been readily available to all who want them. We are being upfront on what we are doing; if someone doesn’t want to come, then we are certainly respectful of their decision. We will probably have masks available for those that want them.
Live your life as you see fit. Don't let the media tell you how to live. I've visited my early 90s grandmother multiple times since this began. No issues. She recently received the vaccine so we'll see how it goes, hopefully no ill effects. I've been on a plane in the last year. No issues.
Everybody wants to avoid the virus. I mean, do you know anyone who wants to willingly get sick? Lol. But you can't live in constant fear of it. I wear the mask and distance from people in indoor public places (supermarket, my workplace, etc.) but outside of that, there isn't much more you can do. Just live life. What we've been doing as a country for the last year is the exact opposite of living your life freely. It makes me question what the purpose of living life is for some of these people who love the restrictions.
life is also a precious thing. and we have had more deaths than ever from this. new deaths that arent a typical amount.
its a balancing act. imo i live taking enough precautions where i feel safe from karma lol
Every decision we make is potentially a balancing act. How many times do people on this board get behind the wheel of a car after having a drink or two. They may or may not be over the legal limit but they have now increased their risk of dying behind the wheel significantly.
There’s these things called common sense and responsibility that have seemed to left the building. Same goes for the way we should be treating this virus.
Exactly. Life itself is a risk. Every day you wake up there is a risk of something happening. Manage it, accept it and live how you want to live.
To keep it in perspective though, Covid has been the leading cause of death in the US for the last two months and not even close to #2. Almost double in fact.
Once we have had an opportunity to vaccinate people who want to be vaccinated, I agree.
Because prior to the vaccination was more like an analogy that I go to a bar and have a couple drinks, and my blood alcohol content was contagious.
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