Neptune

[hallwins]

Tom Pecora
Pat Chambers

I am not really fond of the coach tree logic in any sport.

Those 2 names make my point.

These guys did not sniff Nova job when Jay left. Neptune, with 1 year of head coaching experience at Fordham, got the job. This was a Jay orchestrated move because no AD or President would have even considered Neptune to take over such a great position. No knock on Neptune, but Nova took a huge risk and lost badly.

 

[wpc75]

I was impressed by Billy Lange last season in his game at SHU in NIT.

 

[radecicco]

I was impressed by Billy Lange last season in his game at SHU in NIT.

He just lost in the A10 semis to Tony Skinn’s George Mason team. But yes, seems to be a good coach.

 

[shu09]

The irony is NWestern fans are acting like the world is ending if he leaves. Who knows if he will get the job but people have to understand the handcuffs he has at that school with players. It’s like trying to get players admitted to an Ivy school in a league where everyone else is getting the best talent. At Nova he’s able to recruit a much higher caliber of player that he can’t get admitted to Northwestern. Just food for thought. People were surprised he stayed there after the tourney appearances but it was bc his son was enrolled at the school. He just graduated.

Collins is fine for Northwestern, a lower tier power conference job. He's also a local from the area there. But he'd be a fish out of water at Villanova, one of the best jobs in the Big East and a top 15-20 national job.

Collins is a guy who was born on third base because of who is father is, but he has a dismal record over a long period of time. Can't believe Nova would be drawn to a guy who is almost 60 games under .500 in a power conference in 12 years at the helm.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Collins is fine for Northwestern, a lower tier power conference job. He's also a local from the area there. But he'd be a fish out of water at Villanova, one of the best jobs in the Big East and a top 15-20 national job.

Collins is a guy who was born on third base because of who is father is, but he has a dismal record over a long period of time. Can't believe Nova would be drawn to a guy who is almost 60 games under .500 in a power conference in 12 years at the helm.

Where do you get your thoughts?

He went to a public high school was the state mr basketball his senior year and a mcdonalds all american. Played at duke during the down years of K's run?

Briefly played in europe after college then was an assistant at wnba for one season before joining amaker at shu for 2 seaons then went to Duke for 13 seasons.

 

[gldendog]

Collins is fine for Northwestern, a lower tier power conference job. He's also a local from the area there. But he'd be a fish out of water at Villanova, one of the best jobs in the Big East and a top 15-20 national job.

Collins is a guy who was born on third base because of who is father is, but he has a dismal record over a long period of time. Can't believe Nova would be drawn to a guy who is almost 60 games under .500 in a power conference in 12 years at the helm.

Bc at Nova he would get real talent? And not be forced to take a bunch of smart white kids bc of admissions protocols?

 

[jack 1970]

College coaches are paid a lot of money and are on a short leash.After this year, Sha has to be feeling the pressure also.

 

[Seton75]

would nova hire someone from the amaker while at shu tree? lol

 

[dehere23]

Collins is fine for Northwestern, a lower tier power conference job. He's also a local from the area there. But he'd be a fish out of water at Villanova, one of the best jobs in the Big East and a top 15-20 national job.

Collins is a guy who was born on third base because of who is father is, but he has a dismal record over a long period of time. Can't believe Nova would be drawn to a guy who is almost 60 games under .500 in a power conference in 12 years at the helm.

I lean where you do on this. My only hesitation is that I've read stuff and listened to stuff -- and not from people who are necessarily biased or part of the "coaching fraternity" that always defends each other -- which say that Northwestern is an impossible place to win at consistently (or at all). So even though his record is what it is, they think it is pretty remarkable that he was able to make 3 NCAAs and win a game in the round of 64 each time.

But, to your point, how is the Nova fanbase going to react to a guy who has the record he does in the power conference?

 

[gldendog]

I lean where you do on this. My only hesitation is that I've read stuff and listened to stuff -- and not from people who are necessarily biased or part of the "coaching fraternity" that always defends each other -- which say that Northwestern is an impossible place to win at consistently (or at all). So even though his record is what it is, they think it is pretty remarkable that he was able to make 3 NCAAs and win a game in the round of 64 each time.

But, to your point, how is the Nova fanbase going to reach to a guy who has the record he does in the power conference?

The real answer is some people will be lazy and see the record and think “this sucks”. Whereas people that really follow the sport and understand how well he’s regarded and how impossible that job is would think he could crush it at a place with great resources and normal admissions.

 

[shu09]

The real answer is some people will be lazy and see the record and think “this sucks”. Whereas people that really follow the sport and understand how well he’s regarded and how impossible that job is would think he could crush it at a place with great resources and normal admissions.

Go ahead and hire him then. You'll be looking for a new coach again in 3-5 years.

Admissions, lol. This isn't college athletics anymore. If you're a good player, you get in. Whether you're at Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, etc. Even Villanova, which is also a top academic school. If you're good and they want you, they'll find a way to get you in.

 

[MBF72]

It wouldn’t be wrong to fire Shaheen after a 7-25 season, but that doesn’t make it the right move either. I don’t get why people can’t understand the reason he gets a longer leash.

I don't think he should be fired, even if we didn't owe him a truck load of dollars.
He deserves a longer leash but not, necessarily, a long one.

And I think Neptune is decent coach.

 

[MBF72]

Go ahead and hire him then. You'll be looking for a new coach again in 3-5 years.

Admissions, lol. This isn't college athletics anymore. If you're a good player, you get in. Whether you're at Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, etc. Even Villanova, which is also a top academic school. If you're good and they want you, they'll find a way to get you in.

 

[MBF72]

"If you're good and they want you, they'll find a way to get you in."

Especially in a revenue sport; even at the Ivies.

And Villanova is a very good academic school, but not a "top" one.

 

[gldendog]

Go ahead and hire him then. You'll be looking for a new coach again in 3-5 years.

Admissions, lol. This isn't college athletics anymore. If you're a good player, you get in. Whether you're at Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, etc. Even Villanova, which is also a top academic school. If you're good and they want you, they'll find a way to get you in.

The difference between admissions at NW and Nova with hoops is stark. NW is as close as it gets to an Ivy without being an Ivy. In a conference where everyone else doesn’t have those restrictions.

 

[PiratePride]

He just lost in the A10 semis to Tony Skinn’s George Mason team. But yes, seems to be a good coach.

He was at Navy for a couple years and had kids leave the team in droves. He started out sounding great,,,, but fizzled. Of course, Navy not the easiest place to recruit basketball players. He's also from the Jay Wright tree.

 

[Hall91]

Let’s play out Willard sticking to Maryland with a nice raise, Odom going to UVA, Collins deciding he can stay at Northwestern and do fine just making the NCAAs and have a lot of job security. Nova could be looking at scraps for their Head Coach.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Let’s play out Willard sticking to Maryland with a nice raise, Odom going to UVA, Collins deciding he can stay at Northwestern and do fine just making the NCAAs and have a lot of job security. Nova could be looking at scraps for their Head Coach.

I dont believe that...they will get a prime target

 

[HALL85]

Let’s play out Willard sticking to Maryland with a nice raise, Odom going to UVA, Collins deciding he can stay at Northwestern and do fine just making the NCAAs and have a lot of job security. Nova could be looking at scraps for their Head Coach.

Mentioned this earlier…they really like Bryce Drew who has done a great job at Grand Canyon and when he started his career at Valpo. Had a bad break with injuries his second year at Vandy and got fired following year.

 

[Seton75]

Go ahead and hire him then. You'll be looking for a new coach again in 3-5 years.

Admissions, lol. This isn't college athletics anymore. If you're a good player, you get in. Whether you're at Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, etc. Even Villanova, which is also a top academic school. If you're good and they want you, they'll find a way to get you in.

bc had a coach killing it. they refused to accept some players who were qualified by ncaa rule. so he quit.

 

[Hall91]

Mentioned this earlier…they really like Bryce Drew who has done a great job at Grand Canyon and when he started his career at Valpo. Had a bad break with injuries his second year at Vandy and got fired following year.

I’d be surprised if Nova is going to go for someone like that if they can help it. Not to say the guy couldn’t be successful, but you better make this hire worth your while.

 

[wpc75]

If the Nova AD did not have a coach lined up before he let Neptune go then shame on him and a very poor job in this era.

 

[hallwins]

If the Nova AD did not have a coach lined up before he let Neptune go then shame on him and a very poor job in this era.

Nova AD is from Oregon. May provide a different perspective on the coaching search than typical Big East.

 

[HALL85]

If the Nova AD did not have a coach lined up before he let Neptune go then shame on him and a very poor job in this era.

But you may have a guy like Odum targeted and some back channel discussions to feel confident but he might be targeted by others. They have a pretty lengthy list.

 

[mbraue]

It wouldn’t be wrong to fire Shaheen after a 7-25 season, but that doesn’t make it the right move either. I don’t get why people can’t understand the reason he gets a longer leash.

25 wins last year and an NIT championship. Starting PG, Zion, left team after mental breakdown. Has had previous issues with mental health. Jenkins, our leading scorer, played 2 BE games or something like that.

If Sha doesn't implode next year he should be safe for at least another year. How many more years on his contract?

 

[gldendog]

I don't think he should be fired, even if we didn't owe him a truck load of dollars.
He deserves a longer leash but not, necessarily, a long one.

And I think Neptune is decent coach.

You think Neptune is a decent coach?

Let’s see. His first year he had 3 starters back from a Final Four team. Cam Whitmore an all world one and done freshman. Missed the tournament.

Year 2 they got TJ Bamba, Tyler Burton, Hakim Hart in the portal. On top of Dixon, Moore, Longino, Armstrong, Hausen. Missed the tournament.

Year 3 he’s got the nations leading scorer Dixon, a likely NBA player in Poplar, a 5th year Longino and a 5th year Brickus. Oldest starting lineup in the nation. All seniors. Missed the tournament.

You think he was a good coach? I assure you he was not. This is why he lost his job - it happened in Year 2. There was no way on Gods green earth that roster should’ve missed the dance. The reverberations of that cost him Andrew Carr and Max Shulga in the portal. Instead he ended up with Boakye and Kris Parker after VCU stole Shulga back at the end of portal season. Losing Shulga cost him his job. If he doesn’t fail in Year 2 he ends up with at least Carr and probably Shulga too. And would’ve gotten an extension. Instead he got fired bc he failed in Year 2 when he had a roster that was too good to fail.

 

[dehere23]

You think Neptune is a decent coach?

Let’s see. His first year he had 3 starters back from a Final Four team. Cam Whitmore an all world one and done freshman. Missed the tournament.

Year 2 they got TJ Bamba, Tyler Burton, Hakim Hart in the portal. On top of Dixon, Moore, Longino, Armstrong, Hausen. Missed the tournament.

Year 3 he’s got the nations leading scorer Dixon, a likely NBA player in Poplar, a 5th year Longino and a 5th year Brickus. Oldest starting lineup in the nation. All seniors. Missed the tournament.

You think he was a good coach? I assure you he was not. This is why he lost his job - it happened in Year 2. There was no way on Gods green earth that roster should’ve missed the dance. The reverberations of that cost him Andrew Carr and Max Shulga in the portal. Instead he ended up with Boakye and Kris Parker after VCU stole Shulga back at the end of portal season. Losing Shulga cost him his job. If he doesn’t fail in Year 2 he ends up with at least Carr and probably Shulga too. And would’ve gotten an extension. Instead he got fired bc he failed in Year 2 when he had a roster that was too good to fail.

All fair points for sure, although the Moore injury was a bad break because he was never the same player.

Also I thought they lost Shulga because they took Poplar.

 

[shu67]

WE must have had a really bad season to be wasting so much time discussing other schools to take our collective minds off SHU.