Seton Hall initiates probe into potential abuse at seminaries
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More money being wasted that could go to the poor or improve the education of the young, but instead being paid because these idiots were abusing their power. Love the Faith, hate the Leaders that let this happen.
As Howard Stern has said for years and years, and I agree, you’re not fixing the church until you allow married men, and women, to be priests.
You don’t get extreme faith when you narrow your pool to celibate men, you get a fair share of miscreants. It’s unfortunate to the good priests because they get painted with a broad brush.
Yeah, I know, Howard Stern is the devil. Yet he’s not abusing young children.
You don’t get extreme faith when you narrow your pool to celibate men, you get a fair share of miscreants. It’s unfortunate to the good priests because they get painted with a broad brush.
Yeah, I know, Howard Stern is the devil. Yet he’s not abusing young children.
As despicable as sexual abuse is, we humans are weak and victims of temptation, all of us to some degree.
The systematic defence of these people, to protect the Church at the expense of more victims, that is a high crime, conspiracy of the highest level, and without a doubt, imo, guided by the hierarchy. Despicable.
The systematic defence of these people, to protect the Church at the expense of more victims, that is a high crime, conspiracy of the highest level, and without a doubt, imo, guided by the hierarchy. Despicable.
As someone who agrees with the sentiment of the thread of the church generally being abusive, corrupt and disgusting; I still laughed out loud at Howard stern being the example of morality and reason.
The society is sick. Societally, America is and has been experiencing an explosion of sex abuse. Statistics show that this is abuse is no higher in the Catholic Church than in any other institution and may indeed be significantly lower. Nonetheless, the Church is singled out. Why might this be?
As a Catholic priest, I am disgusted and heartbroken over the abuse that has occurred in the Church, especially when perpetrated by priests, bishops, or religious. Approximately 80 percent of this abuse has been carried out by active homosexuals. Taking down the lavender mafia, against which I have fought since I entered religious life and priesthood, is a very important goal for the Church. Unfortunately, Cardinal Tobin is one of the new kingpins of that....
Whenever you take a whole group of people and label, judge, and condemn them, you are guilty of bigotry.
Just think of all the good that could have been done with the three billion dollars paid out by the church to the victims of sex abuse in the Catholic Church.
I would love to see the study that shows that “approximately 80% of this abuse has been carried out by ACTIVE homosexuals”. Sure sounds like definitive proof to me.
I suspect you are a person that thinks that being homosexual is a choice hence your lavender mafia comment. Blaming the root cause of this issue on the lavender mafia is so wrong on so many levels. Perhaps addressing issues when they first arise with proper counseling, reporting crimes to appropriate authorities, and active dialogue about change in the Catholic church would have been a start. Unfortunately cover up was the only solution offered up.
I respect your dedication to the church but your viewpoint is so shortsighted.
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I can agree with most of what you say except that protecting the Church was the last thing on their minds. If they gave a damn about the Church, they never would have committed the terrible of offences they are guilty of. No, they were covering their own asses, literally and figuratively.
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Less than 2% of priests are offenders. I stand with the faithful 98%. I have been blessed to have been educated and befriended by many priests. The real and more vile corruption is among the Bishops and there should be strict accountability.
To paint the Catholic Church with a broad brush is patently unfair. It is far from perfect but so too is any institution managed by humans. Those who want to paint the church with the brush of the scandal, will they also brush it with the paint of founding the first universities and hospitals?
If one is objective, he would look at the almost daily litany of public school child abuse. That abuse is far higher on an absolute and on a % basis than the priest scandal but there is no outcry. Why is this? Simple , largely anti-Catholic bias.
In no way am I excusing this scandal and all those involved should go to jail. This is largely a homosexual problem with 80%+ of the victims being boys so traditional marriage is no real solution. Fortunately, the vast majority of the victims are from 30+ years ago and there have been very few new claims in recent years, although one is far too many. Pray for the Church and let us hope that the Bishops are held to account.
To paint the Catholic Church with a broad brush is patently unfair. It is far from perfect but so too is any institution managed by humans. Those who want to paint the church with the brush of the scandal, will they also brush it with the paint of founding the first universities and hospitals?
If one is objective, he would look at the almost daily litany of public school child abuse. That abuse is far higher on an absolute and on a % basis than the priest scandal but there is no outcry. Why is this? Simple , largely anti-Catholic bias.
In no way am I excusing this scandal and all those involved should go to jail. This is largely a homosexual problem with 80%+ of the victims being boys so traditional marriage is no real solution. Fortunately, the vast majority of the victims are from 30+ years ago and there have been very few new claims in recent years, although one is far too many. Pray for the Church and let us hope that the Bishops are held to account.
So many hid their sexuality by becoming priests. It became their closet.
And their families would be proud of them.
And once ordained their secret was safe even if they acted on it.
Without a Formal Reformation, the church won’t recover from this. Bold actions are in order- words about pain, sorrow, and forgiveness won’t cut it anymore.
And their families would be proud of them.
And once ordained their secret was safe even if they acted on it.
Without a Formal Reformation, the church won’t recover from this. Bold actions are in order- words about pain, sorrow, and forgiveness won’t cut it anymore.
The church is singled out CAUSE IT IS A CHURCH, the one based on the teachings of Jesus, the one that millions of people saw as THE moral authority. Instead, the church hierarchy conspired to save face by putting unfit humans into positions where they could, again and again, ply their trade, child molestation. Over decades. Throughout the world.
My memory of a priest is of the heroically humble pastor of my youth, and of the one in my wife's youth, who we found out later were great friends. And birds of the highest feather. That their bosses acted so conspiritorilly evil is hard the even type without being incredulous. But they took the worst, shipped them off so they could do it again and again. Their actions are even worse than the sex crimes committed on children.
I know that this is a subject that generates intense debate and inspires many to speak out with highly charged opinions and who feel compelled to voice their dismay not only by the abuse but by the coverup by those high in the church hierarchy and they should speak up and be heard. Yet I wonder if a sports forum is the right venue and maybe Life Off The Ship might be better suited for this topic to be discussed.
What a disappointing response from someone I respect. These are the types of arguments I expect to see (and have seen) from that blowhard Bill Donohue. A persecution of the Catholic Church, eh? Wow.
Leave the kids alone. Get a call girl in AC or Vegas, but I guess they prefer children. These guys are really sick.
Shocked so many people think this is a gay issue , it is not!
Very very true, pedophilia does not equate to homosexuality, but is the dominance of the “alter boy” that leads to the scales tipped to young boys. But no, it is not a gay issue.
Sickening to see anyone to classify this is a “gay” issue.
Of course it is It's sickening that anyone could deny it. I'm tired of people pussyfooting around afraid to speak the truth or even recognize it. How can the problem be solved if people don't even recognize what the problem is. Clericalism. What a joke. Pedophilia. Another joke. Get a call girl, it's been suggested. Don't you understand these guys don't like females. Their targets are teenage boys and seminarians. What is so difficult to understand?
Should be one heckuva report when it's completed . To use a sports analogy, the Church has a great game plan and strategy, but bad coaching and players who can't execute. Reminds me of a team that only Casey Stengel could love: "Can't anyone here play this game?"
Seton75, You are Catholic enough to recognize the uniqueness of the Catholic Church. We must indeed be held to the highest standards. But it is hypocritical to deride, reject, and persecute the Church, while also claiming it is special.
That being said, there is indeed great corruption in the Church of our times. An earth shattering report has just emerged that exposes Pope Francis's corruption and his role in deliberately putting young men at risk of being harmed by Cardinal McCarrick.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/f...+Buffer&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=WCEA
The thoughts and arguments in this thread are well above where I'm at. I'm still incredulous that anyone would have the faith and belief to devote their life to God, take a vow of chastity, and then knowingly break it. Take that, God! And i won't be repentant enough to stop.
There seems to be something about pedophilia where the practitioners just can't stop themselves. I'm coming to the point where I think punishment, whatever it is, must include banishment from all contact with children.
There seems to be something about pedophilia where the practitioners just can't stop themselves. I'm coming to the point where I think punishment, whatever it is, must include banishment from all contact with children.
It’s disgusting. The widespread abuse through this institution would relegate any other obsolete. How the Catholic Church has withstood any of this is beyond me, but points to their financial and political corruption. If they are anything, it’s wealthy and powerful.
It’s beyond religion at this point. It’s basic human decency. I cannot be convinced that an organization that has this kind of systematic problem is worthy of anything. It’s not right. There’s something very, very wrong.
It’s beyond religion at this point. It’s basic human decency. I cannot be convinced that an organization that has this kind of systematic problem is worthy of anything. It’s not right. There’s something very, very wrong.
FYI homosexuality has nothing to do with diddling little kids
Just because someone is gay does not mean they are going to touch little kids.
Making that comparison or trying to say that is the reason just shows stupidity.
Catholic man it’s starting to sound like gay people really scare you and I honestly feel horrible for you. Did you have a bad weekend at fire island, were you not invited on a pride float?
Shame on you for judging others.
Ps cute nickname you got their “lavander mafia”
funny by me we have a nickname for people that touch little kids and hide behind the cloth we call them “priests”.
Just because someone is gay does not mean they are going to touch little kids.
Making that comparison or trying to say that is the reason just shows stupidity.
Catholic man it’s starting to sound like gay people really scare you and I honestly feel horrible for you. Did you have a bad weekend at fire island, were you not invited on a pride float?
Shame on you for judging others.
Ps cute nickname you got their “lavander mafia”
funny by me we have a nickname for people that touch little kids and hide behind the cloth we call them “priests”.
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I’ve never understood the point of vowing chastity. I suppose it plays into this notion of controlling and denying human “impulses”. Many believe it was installed as disciple to refocus priests. To my knowledge it was not part of the formation of the original church.
Perhaps that itself is a bigger problem than they want to admit. Could be cause and effect. Lord only knows how much was hidden over the centuries.
Perhaps that itself is a bigger problem than they want to admit. Could be cause and effect. Lord only knows how much was hidden over the centuries.
This has morphed into more than just a SHU discussion.
I gave some leeway here but now believe this thread would be best served on Life off the Ship.
I will move it there later today after our readers see this post.
I gave some leeway here but now believe this thread would be best served on Life off the Ship.
I will move it there later today after our readers see this post.
Archbishop Carlo Vigano, former Papal Nuncio to the USA, has written an eleven page letter addressing this issue, especially with the goings on in the United States. Harsh words for Francis, Wuerl, McCarrick and many others in the hierarchy here and world wide. Before any further attempts are made to defend the indefensible, I strongly suggest his letter be read. Cupich and Tobin are also mentioned. An important document for sure.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pope-f...s-former-vatican-official-carlo-maria-vigano/
Belluno, you are on the money, this letter is a truth bomb that the church definitely needs. Real Shame, as Francis had the chance to be the guy to fix all of this. I really expected better from him. He really was the Pope of the Poor and definitely what we needed after Ratzinger, but if he continued the sweeping under the rug, then he is no better. Really bums me out. AMDG
Belluno, you are on the money, this letter is a truth bomb that the church definitely needs. Real Shame, as Francis had the chance to be the guy to fix all of this. I really expected better from him. He really was the Pope of the Poor and definitely what we needed after Ratzinger, but if he continued the sweeping under the rug, then he is no better. Really bums me out. AMDG
Any Bishop, Cardinal or Pope that knew of this behavior and did nothing should be out. No exceptions. Are we to hold our church to a lesser standard than corporate America?
It was part of the early church, is in the Gospel (Mt 19), in Paul's letters, and a constant part of the tradition (cf. The Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy, Concini, SJ).
I was stating the statistic from the John Jay report, an objective report from social scientists that showed that 80 percent of sex abuse in the Catholuc Church in the US was perpetrated by homosexual priests.
"Lavender Mafia" isn't a term I coined. It is well established and refers to the fact that most dioceses and their chanceries are controlled by actively homosexual priests who marginalize orthodox, straight priests.
Do you realize that you disagreed with my facts by falsely claiming I was homosexual in a manner very demeaning to homosexuals?
Most victims are post pubescent teens, seminarians and young priests with perpetrators who were active homosexuals. These are facts. ALL abuse is vile and evil.
