Dude, This is what you wrote:
Did you have a bad weekend at fire island, were you not invited on a pride float?
Seton Hall initiates probe into potential abuse at seminaries
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Did you have a bad weekend at fire island, were you not invited on a pride float?
This is not about homosexuality or pedophelia, but rather about power, influence, and preying on victims that are easy targets. I would suggest a series on Netflix called “The Keepers”. Young girls were sexually abused in the Parrish by priests and in some cases pimped out to community leaders.
Of course you accused him jcalz88, and at the same time you derided the very people you seem to support. That was an ad hominem attack which should not be allowed to remain published. Do you understand what calumny is? Let's keep it civil says the lead posting.
You have consistently sunk to levels I never could have foreseen when you first started to appear here and I complimented you as a good representative of young Seton Hall grads. How wrong I was
You have consistently sunk to levels I never could have foreseen when you first started to appear here and I complimented you as a good representative of young Seton Hall grads. How wrong I was
For the record, I know jcalz is hard to stomach, but read the quote again.
Fact - One does not need to be homosexual to go to fire island.
Fact - it is known that many in the homosexual community vacation on fire island. I have gay friends, it’s a Mecca.
Conjecture - to have a bad weekend at fire island and not be invited on the pride float would make a straight person feel shunned for being excluded. Truly a bad weekend.
Conclusion - there are deeper thoughts that are adding commentary to what was written. Don’t assume, read something as printed.
Fact - One does not need to be homosexual to go to fire island.
Fact - it is known that many in the homosexual community vacation on fire island. I have gay friends, it’s a Mecca.
Conjecture - to have a bad weekend at fire island and not be invited on the pride float would make a straight person feel shunned for being excluded. Truly a bad weekend.
Conclusion - there are deeper thoughts that are adding commentary to what was written. Don’t assume, read something as printed.
You are proving my point here bud.
You don’t have to be gay to go to any of those or celebrate pride. I made a joke about you being rejected by the gay community that’s why you feel this way.
Stop being thick headed. Maybe you should get out a bit more but who am I to ask you to step out from under your rock.
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To say I’m not representative of the Hall is just not fair and a low blow.
I not only spend my money but I put in my time as well. I spend my time mentoring and hireing Hall grads at my firm for full time and intern positions.
I practice what I preach I don’t just shout down from my sanctimonious tower.
Funny thing I’m not even 30 ima be around the seton hall basketball program for a long time to come, can’t wait to make ya proud.
I not only spend my money but I put in my time as well. I spend my time mentoring and hireing Hall grads at my firm for full time and intern positions.
I practice what I preach I don’t just shout down from my sanctimonious tower.
Funny thing I’m not even 30 ima be around the seton hall basketball program for a long time to come, can’t wait to make ya proud.
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And you just did that with your argument that the whole thing has been caused by homosexual priests. You can't have it both ways but let's blame the gay priests for everything. Sorry I'm not buying it.
Gay and straight Bishops and Cardinals have protected themselves over their flock for too many years to count now.
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Tell that to the seven year old girl who just got her tonsils out and was raped by the visiting priest or the PA girl that got pregnant from the priest who forced her to have an abortion and so on and so forth. This is really about power in the end but let's blame the homosexuals because the John Jay study said it happened 80% of the time? How about basic morality - one case is too many especially for religious who are supposed to give us advice on morality and living a good life. But let's keep blaming one group of people. If you are truly a Catholic you should see the problem with that statement but it's the spin right now that is helping conservative Catholics feel better about themselves. Sorry call a spade a spade - it's all wrong no matter the percentages.
If in fact Francis knew about McCarrick - which he probably did - he needs to resign.
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I'll go with the percentages, thank you. First pedophilia but that didn't work, now clericalism and that's not working, so next up is power. Keep it up. Sooner or later you'll come to the right answer
Wrong is wrong - it deserves no label even if it makes you feel better about it. You put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. In the end it's about power.
I was quoting objective statistics from a report done by social scientists. 80 percent was the number. My facts may go against what the media or personal bias has influenced you to believe. But it is the truth
The evil part we agree on 100% and it has to stop.
What is wrong with you man? So the 20% that is simple non-homosexual pedophilia is acceptable “breakage” in your book? Let’s see, that’s thousands of cases.
I’m sorry, but ONE is wrong. 20% is unacceptable. And the way you post, I’m not sure you fully understand what bigotry means. It goes wider than your accepted one definition.
But let’s just keep blaming homosexuals and turn a blind eye to the wonderful straight men that brush it all under the carpet and point to the “true” sinners.
Hypocrisy at its best.
@jcalz You make a slew of shitty remarks and then deny it like a child after anyone who can read saw exactly what you posted. It's obvious you haven't darkened the door of the Church since your First Communion (probably still have the money, too), but grow a pair. But good for you, you want to be the next Hank D'Alessandro
The guy who just gave everyone a lesson in Jcalz verbiage is now going to play obtuse with someone else's words. Obviously, he's not saying the 20% are all well and good. Come on, you're better than that.
No, but again, this is not a homosexual issue. I don’t know how many different ways to say that.
Are some of the acts homosexual? Yes. Are most of them? Sure, likely. Are some not? Yes, of course.
These are acts of seriously dimented people. But the most heinous act is the cover up and blind eye.
I am disgusted by the stance of the Church and think there are major foundations that need to be torn down and reassembled.
The 20 percent is also abhorrent and completely unacceptable. It is evil.
Anyone who brushes this stuff under the rug is an evil doer, whether straight or homosexual.
It interesting. I love the Jewish people. But I am very critical of some of the actions of the state of Israel. This, in America, can lead to accusations of anti-semitism. It's the same way with the homosexual community in the clergy. They hold the power in the American church in many dioceses. And I am critical of their leadership and the dysfunctional culture they have fomented. It's an inconvenient truth for people to hear about. But it's the truth.
Donnie baseballs
If I could be half the man hank is and have a quarter of his success I’d be thrilled.
But I prefer to be my own many not a follower.
Get used it for the next few decades nothing you can do to stop it
Btw, I actually spent my Communion money on the first nice watch I bought, Ill have to show you it sometime.
It was tough for me to avoid going to church as my mother was the head of our parishes CCD and taught classes on Mondays & Wednesday’s.
Funny my two cousins are both employed by the church as well. One runs one of the vaticans largest publications and one is a priest, one of them is gay can you guess which one?
Cut the bs I made a joke see example below same joke different subject...
If you don’t like Rutgers basketball like our buddy flnj
“Hey flnj did they not let ya in a frat party on college ave when you were a kid, did ya not get served at grease trucks”.
Just because “the gays” weird ya out doesn’t mean you have to be a d$$k about it
If I could be half the man hank is and have a quarter of his success I’d be thrilled.
But I prefer to be my own many not a follower.
Get used it for the next few decades nothing you can do to stop it
Btw, I actually spent my Communion money on the first nice watch I bought, Ill have to show you it sometime.
It was tough for me to avoid going to church as my mother was the head of our parishes CCD and taught classes on Mondays & Wednesday’s.
Funny my two cousins are both employed by the church as well. One runs one of the vaticans largest publications and one is a priest, one of them is gay can you guess which one?
Cut the bs I made a joke see example below same joke different subject...
If you don’t like Rutgers basketball like our buddy flnj
“Hey flnj did they not let ya in a frat party on college ave when you were a kid, did ya not get served at grease trucks”.
Just because “the gays” weird ya out doesn’t mean you have to be a d$$k about it
The FBI came to my kids' middle school for a safety seminar about 10 years ago after which I never looked at the world the same again. The agent said that child molesters are highly skilled hunters and will find their way to be in a position to perform their devious acts. They join clergy, become coaches, teachers, join youth organizations like Boy Scouts,and ice cream truck owners. They told us that the typical child predator is a while male from 25 to 54. They use social media and relationship building to leverage their results. I left the building when it was over with other dads and some of them were so shaken up, they could not make it to their cars. These so-called priests and rabbis should get the book thrown at them and clean out the church's good name once and for all.
I believe the Church/your diocese is doing something equivalent to that.
Good info, that they're "highly skilled hunters". May help us spot them. Though I'll never look at an ice cream truck the same way again.
All gays are not pedophiles just as not all straights are pedophiles. Most of the pedophilia in the church, however, involve homosexual acts. There's no other way to spin it. I have friends and acquaintances who are homosexual. They are fine, upstanding people and parents. I don't believe for one instance that they are pedophiles. I know victims of pedophilia who are scarred for the rest of their lives. Covering up acts of pedophilia by the Church, which has led to other acts of pedophilia being committed against innocent victims, is a far worse crime.
While I agree homosexuality and pedophilia are two completely different things, I'm not so sure abuse of boys is far worse than girls. I know the reported stats say so, but I also wonder if there is more under-reporting amongst young girls.
Bottom line, preying on innocent children is despicable and those found guilty need to be punished. By far, the bigger issue though as has been said, it institutional nature/knowledge and cover up. This is Pope Francis' issue to address and fix.
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Now we're back to pedophilia again when it is clear that teenagers and seminarians were the main victims. If we are depending on Pope Francis, all is lost. He is proving to be a large part of the problem, not it's cure. Political correctness demands that all of this be apportioned on the gender basis, 50-50. We must be fair, right? No one has claimed all homosexuals are capable of these crimes and no one has denied that heterosexuals have been a pretty big part of the issue.
What I find interesting is that there has been no discussion of the sinfulness of these acts or has it been decided in the new church that's sin is out and all we have to do is hug and shake hands at the sign of peace to enter Heaven, ala Bishop Barron's comments.
I wonder how many people are receiving communion unworthily, if they attend Mass at all. Priests used to advise the congregation that only Catholics in a state of grace can receive Communion. I haven't heard that in Novus Ordo churches in years at Christmas and Easter At Easter last year with the exception of my Protestant wife everyone in the church received communion. I pray that all were in a state of grace but with so many believing their conscience rules, I have to wonder.
What I find interesting is that there has been no discussion of the sinfulness of these acts or has it been decided in the new church that's sin is out and all we have to do is hug and shake hands at the sign of peace to enter Heaven, ala Bishop Barron's comments.
I wonder how many people are receiving communion unworthily, if they attend Mass at all. Priests used to advise the congregation that only Catholics in a state of grace can receive Communion. I haven't heard that in Novus Ordo churches in years at Christmas and Easter At Easter last year with the exception of my Protestant wife everyone in the church received communion. I pray that all were in a state of grace but with so many believing their conscience rules, I have to wonder.
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Should I be comforted by the fact it was mainly teenagers and seminarians who were molested by their superiors. What I find interesting is there has been no discussion of the sinfulness of these acts or was it decided that all the perpetrators had to do was hug and shake hands at the sign of peace to be transferred to a new parish to molest again. I wonder how many of those molesters were distributing communion unworthily.
Of course these acts are sins. That is not even debatable and is very obvious to anyone.
The problems occurred long before Pope Francis was in office. The Popes (one of them a saint now) and Cardinals and Bishops of the last 80 years were the ones that perpetuated the cover-up for years and created this horrible culture and some are still trying to hang on to power. They got the church into this mess. To say Francis is part of the problem might be true but at an extremely low percentage. Who appointed most of the Bishops and Cardinals that were covering up all of this for years? Not Francis. I believe the sins of cover up are as bad or worse than the horrible acts that occurred. And if Vigano's letter was truthful why didn't Benedict enforce the rules he set for McCarrick? How is it Francis fault? Instead Benedict celebrated Mass with McCarrick multiple times after he supposedly told him to step down (which no one knew about by the way). Seems like Vigano is not telling the whole truth but that seems to be a regular practice for Bishops. Vigano exemplifies everything bad about the power struggle that is going on right now and he showed his cards with his letter and its timing. There are probably more Bishops going to hell than I ever thought possible. This whole thing is a mess of huge proportions.
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Donnie baseballs
If I could be half the man hank is and have a quarter of his success I’d be thrilled.
But I prefer to be my own many not a follower.
Get used it for the next few decades nothing you can do to stop it
Btw, I actually spent my Communion money on the first nice watch I bought, Ill have to show you it sometime.
It was tough for me to avoid going to church as my mother was the head of our parishes CCD and taught classes on Mondays & Wednesday’s.
Funny my two cousins are both employed by the church as well. One runs one of the vaticans largest publications and one is a priest, one of them is gay can you guess which one?
Cut the bs I made a joke see example below same joke different subject...
If you don’t like Rutgers basketball like our buddy flnj
“Hey flnj did they not let ya in a frat party on college ave when you were a kid, did ya not get served at grease trucks”.
Just because “the gays” weird ya out doesn’t mean you have to be a d$$k about it
Somehow, through all that, I do get what you were trying to say to Catholicman. But, "where you come from" you call child-touchers priests. Really? Since you're going to be around the program a while (though never as long as most of us have already been), maybe you should let Fr. John know that.
We can agree to disagree on the rest, but atleast you get what I was saying. At no point was I calling anyone a homosexual.
I still dont think catholic man gets it yet.
Intellectual honesty will help your human growth and development. I urge you to give it a go.
You need to own your own statements or retract them.
You had some need to depict me as a sheltered person who doesn't get out much and has some irrational hang up with persons who have same sex attraction.
You don't know who i am. I have probably been exposed to more things than you could ever imagine. Working with victims of satanic ritual abuse, hearing lots of confessions, doing prison ministry, staffing homeless shelters, and helping people on the margins, including people with same sex attraction, have enriched my life, seasoned my perspective, and deepened my devotion to God's mercy.
I have great compassion for people who struggle with same sex attraction and understand that inclination wasnt their fault.
Everyone is different, but I don't think most people struggle with it. I'm sure some do. But I think the majority embrace it and just live life the way they were created by God.
You and I fundamentally disagree on this topic.
Again I never said you were a homosexual. That “wisecrack” was more about the gay community thinking you are no fun and they rejected you so you have these views now. (At this point they would have because you have proven to be no fun).
If you think that’s me saying your gay then so be it.
I am going to stand behind my words no matter what you believe they intend to mean because you are so dam thickheaded.
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Ask any gay person and they'll tell you they were born that way. Can't do anything about it.
God's love is beyond all understanding. Of course He created people with same sex inclinations and He loves us all equally.
Agree with this. Some people were born to be priests, and remain faithful and celibate for their adult lives. People who don't understand - and most of us can't - cry "unnatural!" in both cases.
I fought a few wars with the late, great Pir8tes over whether this was a homosexual or a pedophile issue. Let's call it both, since it doesn't really matter. All that matters is that it DOES NOT CONTINUE, and that those who perpetrated it, and those who covered it up are removed from the Church.
A mountain of research and clinical practice indicates the opposite of what you said. Sadly, the culture decided to reject this and buy into what they wanted to believe.
In my pastoral practice, which has involved many homosexual persons, the genesis of the same sex attraction was developmental, often trauma based, and very often involved sexual abuse. Clients often indicate they felt they were born that way but once they enter a therapeutuc process realize that this wasn't the case. Feeling "different" often goes back into earliest childhood but reflects on parental relationships, not biology.
There is not even one truly scientific study to indicate a biological origin of homosexuality.
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