Merrick Garland doesn’t feel protestors at justices homes violates the law although it clearly does ( actions to influence or intimidate a judge’s decision ).Garland rushed to school boards when the teachers union said parents were picking on them,but protesting a reversal of Roe justifies these protests.Thank God this partisan hack didn’t get on the Supreme Court.A former judge who seems to overlook a law that protects judges because Biden a great catholic like himself thinks Roe protection of abortion is scared right.Please will you and Joe put away you rosary beads you are an insult to regular church going Catholics which is about 20% of people who identify as catholic.To anticipate some on the left saying they were not there to attempt to influence judge decisions,come on man.
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Uhm. you said it was a human being at fertilization. Do not conflate life with a human being. At fertilization it is a one cell organism. Yes it is alive But that is not the equivalent to a human. after time that cell will split and continue to split and it will develop into a fetus and then child. But it is not a human being at that time.
At least you are consistent with your views. Oddly enough, abortion was never treated as murder in the history of the US. A crime but not murder. Inconsistent don't you think?
With that continued line of thinking, the police and prosecutors will now have to waste time from crime in order to go and prosecute women and doctors. Is this what we want as a society?
It is a dark rabbit hole and the consequences of this decision are so far reaching it will wreak havoc. Wait til that man will go to court to prevent a woman crossing state lines in order to get an abortion. These are far reaching consequences which will not be good in my opinion.
And as the days go on, it is clear that the Right fully intend not to keep this at the state level and will push it nationally.
So could you set a time limit? FWIW, insurance wouldn’t do anything for us when my wife’s water broke at week 20. Why? Because the fetus (not an infant, nor child) was not viable. We were on pins and needles and rest to week 23 when lungs began to develop and we could move into a hospital setting.
I don’t believe in abortion, but I believe in choice. I also believe that choice can and should be made in the first trimester. A lot happens from week 13-23 in development that makes it a very gray area.
I cannot decide what another should do based on their situation and their beliefs… hence, choice. But I do think that decision should be made early and swiftly.
What kind of life is starting? Is a flower going to grow? Maybe it will be half elephant? Human life begins at fertilization.
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Umm, what? With your train of thought, can’t you easily say human life starts even before fertilization? Slippery slop when we start arresting people like shuhoopsfan for masterbating and wasting sperm that could have been the start of human life 😩
I was not clear. For the states that outlaw all or some abortions, I am not saying I know what exactly they will call it or what the crime or violation it will be nor do I care.
Yes, it will consume police and court resources. That will vary by state. I suspect in California, that will be minimal.
What the hell are you talking about. You clearly missed something. I'll recap for you. I posted that a human becomes a human being at fertilization. The life of a human starts at fertilization according to science, even posted a link. Cern said don't conflate life with being a human. I asked what other kind of life would grow inside a human? A plant? Half Elephant (Joe Merrick reference)? Of course it's a human so human life starts at fertilization. There's no logic or science that says it starts before.
Lastly, don't go into comedy. You suck at it.
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its not that juvenile. can a "child" live after 4 months in the womb? no? see above
18 U.S. Code § 1507 - Picketing or parading
Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.And we have crickets from Garland.
Executions are for condemned criminals, not innocent babies.
Ok let me slow it down for you. You say when an egg and sperm is fertilized it is the beginning of human life. But it isn’t a human yet correct?
To get to that point of fertilization you NEED an egg and sperm. Why can’t the process to get it to that point be as important to the life of a future baby?
We are both skipping ahead in the process of a human. You choose the point of fertilization, I choose the point when you waste sperm rubbing one out in the guest bedroom?
No I'm saying it is a human. What else would it be. Cern is saying it's not a human yet. I'm going with science. You're going with whatever you want to make up.
disregarding your stretch of the term baby, maybe theyll grow up to be criminals and kill people. werent condemned criminals once innocent babies?
i mean, 95% of all violent criminals had a messed up upbringing weather it be abuse, neglect, etc. ya know the type of situations that some people choose to abort their pre 3 month old so they dont have to grow up in a bad environment.
just absurd selfish logic from states that have a long history of despicable legislation and practices.
You guys are too short sited to see what this means.
If embro’s are a human life as you say, child support will need to be paid to pregnant women, live expectancy will go from high 70s low 80s to 40 or 50s. Census will be all out of whack. Do you know how many miscarriages there are in world every day? Social security cards would be given to embryos. If a zygote is a person I could get life insurance on it? And when almost 1 or 2 pregnancies have a miscarriage I can collect. What happens when someone is fertilized while on vacation in US, is that fetus now a US citizen even if was delivered in home country?
what if you want to keep miscarriages private bc of the pain associated with it, now you have to get a death certificate and register all of this with the government for SS and tax purposes.
Not only do your traumatize women who have abortions but you create this mess every everyone else.
Why are miscarriages being mentioned in the same breath as abortions? Miscarriages are a function of nature while abortions are elective surgeries.
I’ll try one last time. Everything you say is a legal question. Social security cards are given at birth not when life begins. You become a US citizen at birth not when life begins otherwise people from other countries would come here to have sex just not to give birth like they do to become US Citizens. Your reply is a bunch of nonsense.
Let’s introduce the world of IVF, where you may create multiple embryos and discard those that are weaker and implant the strongest one or two.
Is that murder because you didn’t implant all of the embryos that were fertilized? If 5 happened to be fertilized, is it immoral to not implant all 5? Murder?
When implanted, and they aren’t developing properly in the early stages, is the decision to D&C murder? Should you carry a 3 week old fetus until the woman’s body expels it at the risk of harming the mother? Is it ok to end a pregnancy that has no hope of birth because there is a faint but unsustainable heartbeat?
Wait, is IVF not allowed at all because “life” is created outside of the body?
Please, since some are so keen to impart their views on other people instead of leaving the choice to other individuals, how do we properly solve these issues for you?
Is that murder because you didn’t implant all of the embryos that were fertilized? If 5 happened to be fertilized, is it immoral to not implant all 5? Murder?
When implanted, and they aren’t developing properly in the early stages, is the decision to D&C murder? Should you carry a 3 week old fetus until the woman’s body expels it at the risk of harming the mother? Is it ok to end a pregnancy that has no hope of birth because there is a faint but unsustainable heartbeat?
Wait, is IVF not allowed at all because “life” is created outside of the body?
Please, since some are so keen to impart their views on other people instead of leaving the choice to other individuals, how do we properly solve these issues for you?
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It’s bc they are justifying getting rid of abortion rights bc it’s is a human once fertilized….if so miscarriages are considered human death as well and should be documented in that way in all aspects not just abortions.
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Yes. But we were discussing when a human life begins which is science. Shocking to some but the law and science don’t necessarily agree.
There are a lot of heartbeat laws in states, however they pick what science they want to use.
the irony in all this if we started abortions on animals, there would be activists calling for cruelty to animals and killing of innocent animals. Do it to human and it’s okay.
Yup. Just trying to figure out why Congress has time to make laws for sea turtles and eagles when the country has been a mess for decades.
Because you're dealing with thick headed people who twist themselves into absurd logic pretzels in order to not undercut their preferred political party/views. Really quite sad to read.
This is an excellent point. Moreover what about stem cell research? Will that be considered ilegal as well? Down the rabbit hole we go.
the first half was a bit more facetious but im not sure youre able to address any of it. pro life or not pro life. pick. and btw, everyone who has ever been executed was found guilty by trial. but does that mean they were truly guilty? you can be 100% sure. if not, then the oh so righteouss should condemn the death penalty. there has been innocent men that have been executed in the US. in south carolina (historically awful) a 14 yr old black boy was executed. in 1944. thats not ancient times. someone on death row right now could be innocent. you dont know for sure.
but again, no logic among the historic legislation in these states. theyve almost always been on the wrong end of every civil right issue. most times dispicably. now they care so much about "people". spare me your justifications.
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