Lol….where does it identify race of posters. Your racist heart has already labeled every as white even though you have no proof.
Supreme Court Leak
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The WH press conference clip I saw responding to the question about the Twitter site/group that posted the justices home addresses was absolute BS political nonsense wordsmithing and a joke. Just come out and agree that groups shouldn’t be putting that type of information up in the public domain and encouraging or incentivizing people to show up at their house.
You are quite correct.
You will find many on this board are wont to arguing about things they have not read. Often wrong, never in doubt.
Alito's opinion upholds stare decisis rather than attacking it as some have claimed.
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Conveniently left off well after birth and making men that conceive these children responsible as well.🙄
Haha, ok you think most of the posters on OTS aren’t older white men? Ok there buddy 🤣
I don't know what the race of everyone on here is (and I couldn't care less) but I do know that most are not old.
SHUSA
Merge
NYShoreGuy
sami
kniespolice
HALL85
dehere23
myself
All of them aren't old and most are the major contributors on this board. Probably a few more as well but I can't think of everyone right now, nor do I know if they're old or young.
SHUSA
Merge
NYShoreGuy
sami
kniespolice
HALL85
dehere23
myself
All of them aren't old and most are the major contributors on this board. Probably a few more as well but I can't think of everyone right now, nor do I know if they're old or young.
No. Not correct. It supported one of your wishes.
Paternal suits help mitigate your third wish.
There is after birth help but it was not readily available in single Google search as the the pre birth was.
I agree with your original post.
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i dont even know who he is. all it takes is reading his posts.That’s exactly what you’re doing…defending him…lol
merge often is as snarky as most other posters.
Do you have a merge shrine in your basement?
no i dont even understand what id be defending him from? are you attacking him?
this is pretty stupid. i dunno what ur obsession is with it
Got it, I thought you were saying they already do the additional steps that would help the argument, which is not the case. Many women are alone dealing with unexpected pregnancies (during pregnancy and after). This would go a long way with women support.
Yup, not surprised you can’t admit when wrong. You still haven’t admitted when there was a shortage of masks in hospitals, haha.
Are most of the posters on OTS men, yes let’s move on. Are most of the posters white? Yes, let’s move on.
Are most of the posters older? What do i define as older? Is say 40+. Yup.
I understand that sometimes it’s easier to be angry than sad. So when Hall85 is calling me ignorant and racist, i know it’s not entirely his fault but projecting his inner insecurities. Hall85 please look in the mirror, you may discover all the the ignorance and racism you speak of is coming from you.
Rants do not, common sense does tho. Name calling doesn’t make you right, it highlights your insecurities 🤮A pathetic rant doesn’t make you right
I didn’t call you a name….reading comprehension still a big weakness you have….
Interesting thread…
Yes. I can be condescending at times. Though, it’s a decent amount less than others here and it’s usually only responding in kind.
I don’t typically go for the name calling like others here and I’m pretty much always willing to give a good faith discussion even when it’s not necessarily reciprocated.
I have liberal opinions on most issues but I don’t think that results in a clouded bias. Even this thread, I didn’t have an issue with Alito’s opinion. Just talked about what happens from here. That’s not really a biased liberal view. Also, McConnell talking about a federal ban being worth of debate shows it’s beyond just a fringe idea and supports what Cern and I were both talking about.
Some of the characterizations of what I’m like off the board are a bit off as well, other than being bad at golf.
Anyway, thanks for the posts @SHUSA . Glad my posts come across as intended to someone at least. Lol.
Yes. I can be condescending at times. Though, it’s a decent amount less than others here and it’s usually only responding in kind.
I don’t typically go for the name calling like others here and I’m pretty much always willing to give a good faith discussion even when it’s not necessarily reciprocated.
I have liberal opinions on most issues but I don’t think that results in a clouded bias. Even this thread, I didn’t have an issue with Alito’s opinion. Just talked about what happens from here. That’s not really a biased liberal view. Also, McConnell talking about a federal ban being worth of debate shows it’s beyond just a fringe idea and supports what Cern and I were both talking about.
Some of the characterizations of what I’m like off the board are a bit off as well, other than being bad at golf.
Anyway, thanks for the posts @SHUSA . Glad my posts come across as intended to someone at least. Lol.
By my unofficial count, there are about 15 or so regular posters on LOTS that comment at least weekly. Diverse opinions and some interesting links or information posted. Then there's a couple of trolls that drop in on occasion just to incite, but bring nothing to the table....Ignore button works pretty good on them and they are a minority anyway
. Others like Solo, self-select out as you can only post the same boot-licking, brown shirt angry elf post so many times before moving on.I kind of liken this site to be another "network", much like the golf group I play with. Diverse views and life experiences, with a common thread. We can bust balls with each other, but also share a beer, listen to opposing thought and be better for it. I have actually met a couple of the posters here and in the event of a fantasy get-together, sure would have a hoot talking about LOTS and SHU BB.
Despite being strong adversaries, Reagan and Tip O'Neil were known to have a beer "After 6 PM".
I don't think that happens any more.
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I don't think that happens any more.
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Despite being strong adversaries, Reagan and Tip O'Neil were known to have a beer "After 6 PM".
I don't think that happens any more.
Archives Diary: Tip O’Neill and Bipartisan Friendships “After 6 p.m.”
As election day closes in on us and the antagonism of the campaign trail intensifies, it is hard to imagine a time of bipartisan cooperation in either personal or political life. Yet the congressio…
Good thing Raegan didn't have an ignore button I suppose.
Hal ball 02 you may be surprised that some old white men on this board may be as smart or even smarter than you.You attribute their opposition to abortion is due to their age which I think is wrong.Permit me to present my credentials I was an honors undergraduate ,and have a master’s degree.I spent 44 years in business and my last position was a managing director at an Investment bank.When I retired I became. FINRA arbitrator which position I still hold Not bragging just indicating some old guys are still active and make fully informed decisions.We are not all Joe Biden.
Too many fall into the trap of debating abortion as an all or nothing binary issue; Pro Life vs Pro Choice. We can thank the media and our politics to frame this so narrowly.
The reality is that it is a broader spectrum of issues. That being said, of the two options, I fall into the Pro-Life option but am quick to point out that abortion in some (few cases) should be legalized. I say few for the following reasons:
My wife ran a 20 physician OB/GYN practice for 5 years. In that time there was not a single (zero) case where the mother's health was in jeopardy to a point where an abortion was the only option to preserve her health.
Regarding a severely disabled fetus, most cases, even for anencephaly, the safe choice was to birth the baby and let nature take its course. The severe ones would typically expire shortly after birth, and thereby prevent the physical and emotional damage of an abortion. For those less severe, my belief in a supreme being (or other phenomena beyond this earth that we just do not know about) compels me to defer the decision of life to that being rather than just the mother. I am Catholic, but my beliefs are mine with or without the earthly church.
The majority (95%) of rapes do not result in pregnancy. For those that do, there are people waiting to adopt.
The majority reasons for abortions are related to the child interfering with the mother' s education, employment, and emotional or financial readiness to rear a child. I am happy to provide citations for those who do not concede that point.
Given the the above, I do not believe ending the chance of life for a fetus is the best, let alone the only solution.
An unwanted or distressed pregnancy is a tremendous disruption and burden, but again, IMO, does not constitute an acceptable rationale to terminate life. The burden is not just the mother's burden. It is also a burden to the father and the family. Perhaps to a lesser degree, but a burden nonetheless.
For the rare situations that fall outside the above, there are cases when an abortion ends up the best, albeit tragic answer.
For those that take the time to read Alito's opinion, it is well thought out and compelling. Having read Roe, I never grasped the "privacy" rationale. I'll address "liberty further on in this post.
I am an ardent believer in reducing the Federal government's power and influence on our lives. I am quite in favor of remanding this issue to the states. That means allowing elected legislatures that are closer to the communities they represent the opportunity to enact laws that represent those communities. I hope and expect that the the states can intelligently debate the issues I stated before and ultimately enact laws that consider all aspects of the spectrum.
If those laws result in life that otherwise would have been terminated, I believe the value of the life outweighs the burdens of the unwanted or distressed pregnancies.
Regarding the stare decisis, argument, I thought Alito was wise to reason that the 50 year precedent of Roe and Casey was outweighed by the hundreds of years of prior precedent that abortion has not been considered an inalienable right. This was Alito's reasoning that the "Liberty" argument of Roe was not valid.
Finally, Alito was also quite clear in recognizing that this is a "profound moral issue on which Americans hold sharply conflicting views". I recognize that my views are just that. They are my views and undoubtable in conflict with the views of many others.
The reality is that it is a broader spectrum of issues. That being said, of the two options, I fall into the Pro-Life option but am quick to point out that abortion in some (few cases) should be legalized. I say few for the following reasons:
My wife ran a 20 physician OB/GYN practice for 5 years. In that time there was not a single (zero) case where the mother's health was in jeopardy to a point where an abortion was the only option to preserve her health.
Regarding a severely disabled fetus, most cases, even for anencephaly, the safe choice was to birth the baby and let nature take its course. The severe ones would typically expire shortly after birth, and thereby prevent the physical and emotional damage of an abortion. For those less severe, my belief in a supreme being (or other phenomena beyond this earth that we just do not know about) compels me to defer the decision of life to that being rather than just the mother. I am Catholic, but my beliefs are mine with or without the earthly church.
The majority (95%) of rapes do not result in pregnancy. For those that do, there are people waiting to adopt.
The majority reasons for abortions are related to the child interfering with the mother' s education, employment, and emotional or financial readiness to rear a child. I am happy to provide citations for those who do not concede that point.
Given the the above, I do not believe ending the chance of life for a fetus is the best, let alone the only solution.
An unwanted or distressed pregnancy is a tremendous disruption and burden, but again, IMO, does not constitute an acceptable rationale to terminate life. The burden is not just the mother's burden. It is also a burden to the father and the family. Perhaps to a lesser degree, but a burden nonetheless.
For the rare situations that fall outside the above, there are cases when an abortion ends up the best, albeit tragic answer.
For those that take the time to read Alito's opinion, it is well thought out and compelling. Having read Roe, I never grasped the "privacy" rationale. I'll address "liberty further on in this post.
I am an ardent believer in reducing the Federal government's power and influence on our lives. I am quite in favor of remanding this issue to the states. That means allowing elected legislatures that are closer to the communities they represent the opportunity to enact laws that represent those communities. I hope and expect that the the states can intelligently debate the issues I stated before and ultimately enact laws that consider all aspects of the spectrum.
If those laws result in life that otherwise would have been terminated, I believe the value of the life outweighs the burdens of the unwanted or distressed pregnancies.
Regarding the stare decisis, argument, I thought Alito was wise to reason that the 50 year precedent of Roe and Casey was outweighed by the hundreds of years of prior precedent that abortion has not been considered an inalienable right. This was Alito's reasoning that the "Liberty" argument of Roe was not valid.
Finally, Alito was also quite clear in recognizing that this is a "profound moral issue on which Americans hold sharply conflicting views". I recognize that my views are just that. They are my views and undoubtable in conflict with the views of many others.
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idk about old. our fans have a lot of old white men. id say 35-55 white male is the sweet spot. strong republican lean (or anti liberal lean) higher tax bracket than most the country. thats what id personally wager.
Wow, a well thought out, logical post. Bravo, sir. This is how Americans should debate with one another, not the cable news shouting matches or threatening judges at their homes.
Here is my next rant. Haha. While
I am not strongly pro-choice, I believe many of you need to hear some of the other side of this debate, as well as others bc it’s absolutely terrifying how these info silos harden one opinion making them blind to the other side. Ultra conservative or ultra liberal.
I do not attribute anyone’s opposition to abortion to solely age. I don’t know how you got from what I wrote but to clarify, I was highlighting that this is an echo chamber of like minded folks with the majority holding similar demographics, older white men that are heavily right leaning on a catholic schools sports board. I am not saying all are old, men or white or even right leaning on this OTS site. Just most. And no, I did not say that by itself discredits any rational thought on this debate. This subject affects young women the most…
As far as your second part. I’m more impressed by Biden’s background then yours and do not know the relevance to the discussion here.
Real rant is here. I will say again, the majority of Americans are pro-choice and it’s growing with more younger, educated and non whites segments.
The same people here that were saying my body my choice about vaccines and want limited government are now ok with having state government going out of its way to not allow women to make their own choice with their body and in certain states create state gov mobs to go after the docs and women doing it.
As far as you all being so sanctimonious about life, by going way out of your way to protect someone else’s fetus, it’s sad. Where is protecting life when gun control comes up, where was protecting life when promoting vaccines? If you truly care about the fetus, help the woman and child all through their lives, not just during pregnancy. Make the men the conceived liable and responsible. Allow condoms and birth control so abortion is even less of a factor. You also must be able to allow gov to pay for more mental health programs and special education bc there will be more of that. Also don’t complain when there are more kids that grow up the wrong path in society bc they don’t have family/parent support.
How far don’t this rabbit hole will you go? If you use birth control or have a vasectomy, is that preventing the life of the fetus? Is the pull out method a crime? Do you believe in premarital sex? Most people do. There are more of us then there are of them. Lol.
Do you all cry when there is miscarriage? How many miscarriages do you think there are in the US? Do you have a funeral for every miscarriages? Do you name
It? Do you know the medical term, abortion, is mostly miscarriages, elected abortion is just a small % of that. Do we prosecute the human body for not letting a baby get to term when there is a miscarriage? For the insurance folks here, can i purchase life insurance on a fetus, an egg, a sperm…haha. Obviously no.
If you are for small gov, don’t allow states to create mobs to attack women making a difficult decision. Do you want the state doing that? I know if someone forced some of you to get a relatively painless vaccine that could save your life, you would have had a fit. Now you want gov telling you that you have to conceive an unwanted fetus?
As far as each state having their own rules. I’m usually ok with that but in this case most of these same women will just be traveling across state borders (as many of them have already been doing it) to do the same procedure but instead making it more dangerous and traumatic for them.
Lastly, as far as the legality of it all. I’ll defer mostly to lawyers here but using older precedent citing individuals that believed women were mostly at fault for rape centuries ago isn’t a good look. I”m sure if most of the Supreme Court were more liberal leaning, they would frame the law of the land very convincingly to keep roe v wade as established law.
He’s probably a young ignorant racist white male. Oops I sound like a bigot, but bigotry comes in all ages and colors. The young man doesn’t even realize his comments are from the mind of a bigot.
You need to read the definition of bigotry. You are grouping and assuming. It would be like me saying you sound like an angry young white kid who grew up in an all white neighborhood. See paragraph 2. Just most? This is how people talked in the 1960’s. Hard to read your opinion when you start off this way.
You say”Real rant is here. I will say again, the majority of Americans are pro-choice and it’s growing with more younger, educated and non whites segments.”
Bigotry again, grouping and assuming, not to mention a slap in the face to those who disagree with you. I guess the old uneducated?
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It's quite amusing that he/she defines "old" as 40+ (laughable in its own right, but not really the point), yet the screen name is "HallBall02." That implies a graduation date of 2002 (if you click on the name, it shows he/she joined this board in 2007). If this person did indeed graduate 20 years ago, they would be approximately 42 years old today. "Old" by their very own definition. LOL.
As far as protecting life at all times, I'm for it, but I'm all for free choices too. If people want to screw up their own life go for it. If you don't want to go your doctor for routine checkups, that's on you, but there can be consequences. If you don't want to exercise, that's on you, but there can be consequences. If you want to eat fast food and garbage all day, that's on you, but there can be consequncence. If you want to smoke and drink excess alcohol, that's on you, but there can be consequences. If you're going to have sex, there could be consequences. One of those consequences is the sperm fertilizing the egg. According to science, when that happens human life begins. If the baby wants to be aborted then so be it, but I've yet to hear a baby say abort me.
Yes I've cried with family and close friends when they've had miscarriages. I never said hey it's okay. It's kind of like an abortion and abortion is no big deal. Maybe I'm wrong to think this, but I find your analysis of miscarriages to be classless. To not feel for a woman having a miscarriage is beyond my comprehension My parents had a stillborn child before I was born. My family still goes visit the grave site. It's a life I would've loved to have had the opportunity to know. Clearly we don't value human life the same way.
I'm curious how many pro-choice people can look into their mother's eyes and say Mom I would've been ok if you decided to have an abortion when you were pregnant with me?
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Haha. I think you missed the point on miscarriages. Miscarriages are super common, many women experience it. Sometimes multiple times. Always sad. But not to a level of a human loss right? Why do you not have a funeral for it, do they go to heaven? Why not name it? Can you baptize it in the womb?
If that’s not the case, why do we act differently after the miscarriage to a loss of a person?
Why would anyone not want to exist. That last statement is a dumb argument. But you can make an argument that one sacrifice can help others.
When we I lost my son at a young age, we had two additional kids that we would have not have had otherwise. In a way, his precious life created two more beautiful kids.
I share that bc you think this one difficult decision (to have an abortion) in one women’s life, should condemn her life or mean that women can’t create life later on. It’s not true. She can actually create more.
She might not believe in your religion that an abortion is murder or internal damnation but a part of life.
Nobody is pro abortion, nobody wants it to be necessary but to put blinders on as a man with your religious propaganda and blindly say we can’t allow it ever is A hands Made Tale type of crazy and moving backward.
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