So what's a goal that will never happen? The Squad has a lot of goals that will never happen on a federal level as well. That's the way it works.
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This has gone off on a tangent because Hoopsfan said it was the same as Dems wanting to take all guns.
I was pointing out that is not really true because there are a lot of politicians actually pushing only one of these issues, unlikely to pass or not.
That said, I wouldn't say never either. In my opinion, the way I see this going from here is that a state will pass a personhood bill which will get challenged and sent to the court. The court will either take a position on when human life begins or they will defer to congress to do so.
You don't think if a personhood bill got elevated to SCOTUS, that it wouldn't get kicked back to the state?
Absolutely I am dissmissive of 100 Congressmen and 19 senators. Politicians push things all the time they know won't go through just to make it look good for their base. Is this the first time you've ever seen this happen? Wake up.
The minority in the house and the senate always have the answers. Then when they get the majority nothing ever happens. The ideals they push when they are in the minority sounds good, but they know when they're in the majority they can't do them. Heck someone brought up the filibuster. If the republicans take over the senate you think Chuck Schumar is going to vote to get rid of the filibuster after he wasted hours of speeches on the senate floor pushing the ideas on why we must get rid of the filibuster? How many active US Democrat Senators wanted to get rid of the filibuster? I'll bet it was a lot closer to passing than than just 100 Congressmen and 19 Senators. At the same time I think they know all along guys like Manchin would never vote in favor of it.
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The argument would be if the constitution offers protection to a fetus or not.
I think if they said no it would kick it back to the states, but I think outright saying no isn't that likely.
It's an interesting topic to think about and I would tend to think the answer to that post Roe is probably yes, but at what point? I think the court will want congress to decide that.
merge is maybe the only one who tolerates and understands all sides of every subject and thats very evident. the fact you ignore him essentially proves you as the intolerant one.
In your mind maybe.
He posts way too much. He thinks he owns the board and his opinions are law.
I unhide his posts when it makes sense to read them.
You posted that in a direct reply to me. I responded to it.
Your opinion.
Your posts are equally disingenuous and also have no merit. My opinion.
Not saying I agree with it.
www.nytimes.com
Bill Classifying Abortion as Homicide Is Advanced by Louisiana Lawmakers
The proposal threatens to prosecute women who end a pregnancy, a possible new frontier in the abortion debate as the Supreme Court appears inclined to overturn Roe v. Wade.
I don’t disagree, but Like I said, post Roe I think the court would likely protect a fetus. Would force the hand of congress to determine at what point.
Several others post more way than I do here. You just happen to agree with them.
You just don’t like my opinions. It’s fine.
You don't read.
I posted that "GENRALLY, murders are prosecuted by the states. I also posted where murders can be prosecuted at the federal level.
You were quite big on precedent in your "Stare Decisis" post.
My point is that even if the Fed declares abortion as murder, they will likely defer to the States as to how to prosecute and what the sentencing guidelines are, etc.
I can't see Congress taking this on at this point and passing a law declaring abortion as murder.
BTW, you are taking the use of the phrase to literally.
IMO, the majority of pro-lifer's that say it or carry placards are using the phrase for emphasis and not in the strict legal sense. You always go to the strict legal meaning.
It's like when someone says "velocity" when they should be saying "speed". Nerd engineers tend to correct such misuses of the word. I mean.... everyone should know that velocity is a vector quantity and speed is scalar.....right?
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I agree with what you posted above generally. However, I think the abortion issue is different. The conservative movement has worked for 50 years to overturn Roe. I don’t think it’s stopping here. I think there is a big push to outlaw it federally. Why do I think that? If conservatives think it’s murder, then they will push this for the entire country. That is the motivation. It’s not just to end it in their states. We shall see.
he actually doesnt. you only think that because his opinion differs from your. hes extremely soft spoken and understanding of opposing viewpoints.
youre just painting yourself in the manner youre describing him.
I think you’re worried because it’s not your side pushing forward. You can play the same game you played on conservatives for any issue they support and you can play the same game on liberals too. You can claim any issue is different. The only consistent thing is all talk no action by both sides.
no hes easily just the most reasonable poster without any bias. the only one. do you not like merge? whats wrong with him? he doesnt share your opinions?
Merge has a HUGE bias. As do most posters when it comes to politics, myself included. Merge strikes me as that classic South Orange/Maplewood/Montclair white collar, fairly well off liberal. Probably a very nice guy in person but quite left wing.
merge seems like hes willing to listen and understand opposing views and a lot of times actually says such.
sounds like youre generalizing merge. hes probably the most unique one that posts here. where do you wager the rest of the posters sit? i think probably all within the same hyper demographic and likely geographic too.
hes set in his views but understands the views of others. i mean, everyone else is set in their ways and also refuse to understand the opposing view
How about after birth killing of a baby that some of these nuts advocate? Yes, murder.
Despite his sometimes wild conspiracy theories and suggesting he knows what posters are thinking, I enjoy going back and forth with merge. I’m sure he’s good at what he does.
It’s weird you need to defend him with terms like “soft spoken”? Lol
True, but he sucks at golf. He needs to address that. LOL
Hey, did you morph this into a Merge thread? How exciting.
not defending him, just pointing out hes never condescending or putting down other people. can anyone else say the same?
That’s exactly what you’re doing…defending him…lol
merge often is as snarky as most other posters.
Do you have a merge shrine in your basement?
Getting the thread back on topic, the latest news is showing that pro abortion activists want to protest inside of Catholic Church this Sunday.
The White House is not condemning this. Waiting for the "words matter" posters to weigh in.
The White House is not condemning this. Waiting for the "words matter" posters to weigh in.
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Reporter at the Supreme Court this morning. Only 20 protesters. I guess a little rain melts the passion.
Biden and Psaki messaging has been terrible.
While this board is overwhelmingly very right leaning pro-life not (surprisingly with mostly old white men on here), I hate to break it your echo chamber but the majority of Americans are pro-choice. It is also trending to be more prochoice with younger generations.
But I will say this, any pro-life arguments can be made significantly stronger if they just added that the states with this restrictive abortion laws that they will help the mother and the child financially during pregnancy and well after birth as well as made the man involved in conception legally responsible for the welfare of the women and child as well. It would make your case much better!
Just my thoughts. You may now return to your echo chambers.
But I will say this, any pro-life arguments can be made significantly stronger if they just added that the states with this restrictive abortion laws that they will help the mother and the child financially during pregnancy and well after birth as well as made the man involved in conception legally responsible for the welfare of the women and child as well. It would make your case much better!
Just my thoughts. You may now return to your echo chambers.
Didn’t seven old white men rule in favor of Roe v Wade 50 years ago? So shallow and racist to make those comments.
I believe it’s like 26 states will trigger or likely enact stricter abortive laws if it is overturned, so we can talk about polls, but if the people in those states are supporting the laws, it’s their prerogative.
Funny how of all the descriptive words I put in, you attack the white part, not agism, sexism, you went right to the part that I am racist. I think it says a lot about you IMHO.
So during all your posts about BLM and you write % of violent crimes by group, it’s okay to say it’s a higher % of Black people that commit these crimes. You say it’s not racist by citing facts and say it’s too woke of ppl to be upset about facts.
But when I state a fact that most ppl are older white men not representative of most Americans, I am racist?
I think someone is a closet racist here and it’s ain’t me 🤣
From a legal standpoint I think the best approach is to allow each state to decide.
With that said, I am very pro life. Sex was not meant to be casual, it has very real consequences. As a young single guy I find it concerning how many women I meet with a cross around their neck but arguing pro-choice. Jesus weeps.
With that said, I am very pro life. Sex was not meant to be casual, it has very real consequences. As a young single guy I find it concerning how many women I meet with a cross around their neck but arguing pro-choice. Jesus weeps.
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