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Terrible News - SHU shut down 14 days Covid positive player

I don't see any way that they can complete a season with the mandatory 14 day quarantine period for the entire program. It's excessive and is going to completely derail conference play once teams are playing 2-3 times per week.

Look at European soccer as a model - if a player tests positive they are forced to quarantine for 14 days, but the entire club does not have to and they can go on and continue to play games. They've been doing this since May and there have been no major issues to date.
Makes way too much sense for the NCAA to implement your idea. One that has been echoed by so many since the initial 14 day period was proposed.
 
I don't see any way that they can complete a season with the mandatory 14 day quarantine period for the entire program. It's excessive and is going to completely derail conference play once teams are playing 2-3 times per week.

Look at European soccer as a model - if a player tests positive they are forced to quarantine for 14 days, but the entire club does not have to and they can go on and continue to play games. They've been doing this since May and there have been no major issues to date.

The reason for this is lawyers and the joke of "liability." I guarantee you there are ambulance chasers threatening to sue the NCAA and the schools if they play after having even one player contract the virus. Absolutely pathetic.
 
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The reason for this is lawyers and the joke of "liability." I guarantee you there are ambulance chasers threatening to sue the NCAA and the schools if they play after having even one player contract the virus. Absolutely pathetic.
Liability is a very real thing though
 
NBA proved the Bubble is the only way to go.

Should set up regional bubbles by region for a number of teams even if it means losing Conference only schedules. Essentially create a season long NCAA tourney; try to play a 16 to 20 game season and advance a certain number of teams that finish at the top of each regional bubble to a NCAA tournament location (which would be another bubble).

Student athletes can take classes virtually. I don’t get why this hasn’t been figured out by now.
 
NBA proved the Bubble is the only way to go.

Should set up regional bubbles by region for a number of teams even if it means losing Conference only schedules. Essentially create a season long NCAA tourney; try to play a 16 to 20 game season and advance a certain number of teams that finish at the top of each regional bubble to a NCAA tournament location (which would be another bubble).

Student athletes can take classes virtually. I don’t get why this hasn’t been figured out by now.
Because they are college students and not professional athletes.
 
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The burden of proof for it is far too low in this country. It should be reserved for truly heinous negligence, not something like this.
Shu09 liability and negligence are big on lawyer and insurance matters
 
Word is that there’s some significant breakouts in the dorms on campus. Hope everybody gets through it without any significant issues. The good news is that the vast majority of college kids get through COVID relatively easily.

The bad news is these kids are all about to head home for Thanksgiving...and potentially to start superspreader events to their families. I can tell you that in the medical community, this is the current concern over the next 6 to 8 weeks (thru Christmas...plus at least 2 weeks). Grandparents, and especially parents, aren't likely to "distance" from their kids...especially an asymptomatic kid who has not been tested....and therein lies the risk.

Lets hope we get thru to the end of January without major issues...but I can tell you that hospitals are already starting to see a not insignificant rise in COVID admissions....and the challenge this time, in addition to potentially PPE, will be staffing. In the Spring we were "fortunate" that the rest of the country was not nearly affected like we were, which made a lot of nurses and respiratory techs available to come to NJ and fill in staffing gaps...of which there were many; this time that is not the case...which can, and will create serious challenges, at far lower numbers of cases.

Again, hoping that is not the case...but all signs are pointing in that direction unfortunately
 
NBA proved the Bubble is the only way to go.

Should set up regional bubbles by region for a number of teams even if it means losing Conference only schedules. Essentially create a season long NCAA tourney; try to play a 16 to 20 game season and advance a certain number of teams that finish at the top of each regional bubble to a NCAA tournament location (which would be another bubble).

Student athletes can take classes virtually. I don’t get why this hasn’t been figured out by now.
Because they are college students and not professional athletes.

That's one reason.

There's also the reality that this would be incredibly difficult to organize and pull off. How many bubbles are we talking about with how many teams per? How many places can actually accommodate what would be needed (perhaps multiple times)? Plus the costs involved would likely be enormous and probably force a good number of schools to opt out right away.

On the surface, it's not a bad idea but it would be very tough to make happen.
 
The bad news is these kids are all about to head home for Thanksgiving...and potentially to start superspreader events to their families. I can tell you that in the medical community, this is the current concern over the next 6 to 8 weeks (thru Christmas...plus at least 2 weeks). Grandparents, and especially parents, aren't likely to "distance" from their kids...especially an asymptomatic kid who has not been tested....and therein lies the risk.

Lets hope we get thru to the end of January without major issues...but I can tell you that hospitals are already starting to see a not insignificant rise in COVID admissions....and the challenge this time, in addition to potentially PPE, will be staffing. In the Spring we were "fortunate" that the rest of the country was not nearly affected like we were, which made a lot of nurses and respiratory techs available to come to NJ and fill in staffing gaps...of which there were many; this time that is not the case...which can, and will create serious challenges, at far lower numbers of cases.

Again, hoping that is not the case...but all signs are pointing in that direction unfortunately
I know of private companies that have requested department heads to determine if its ok if members of their team can travel to see family across TG and XMAS.
 
Lets hope we get thru to the end of January without major issues...but I can tell you that hospitals are already starting to see a not insignificant rise in COVID admissions....

You ain't lying. I went to a medical facility in Livingston yesterday for a follow up from my surgery and despite thousands of parking spaces it took me about 15 minutes to find one. You had to get lucky and see someone leaving before other drivers did.
 
You ain't lying. I went to a medical facility in Livingston yesterday for a follow up from my surgery and despite thousands of parking spaces it took me about 15 minutes to find one. You had to get lucky and see someone leaving before other drivers did.
you think its from covid or the backlog of other procedures that were paused from covid?

hope the follow up went well!
 
Thanks, and I'm not sure but I have been at this facility for myself and others many times and I never saw it that busy.
 
Thanks, and I'm not sure but I have been at this facility for myself and others many times and I never saw it that busy.
Hospitals are definitely seeing an uptick in admissions but the length of stay for Covid patients is only 3-4 days. Back in the spring it was 45 to 90 days. Essentially, it’s business as usual. Full speed ahead on elective surgeries and no panic with PPE. Hospitals are just returning to about 95 to 100% of pre-Covid volume and procedures.
 
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btw on that tweet from the Governor... I am not optimistic schools will stay open. I hope they do, but our trend lines are looking pretty bad right now unfortunately.
 
Yes, Covid-19 is terrible but you have to keep on going. My prayers go out to the members that contracted the virus. God speed ahead!
 
Hospitals are definitely seeing an uptick in admissions but the length of stay for Covid patients is only 3-4 days. Back in the spring it was 45 to 90 days. Essentially, it’s business as usual. Full speed ahead on elective surgeries and no panic with PPE. Hospitals are just returning to about 95 to 100% of pre-Covid volume and procedures.

Yes hospitalizations are going up. Prior to late October , I had not seen a positive COVID test since May. Now I'm seeing probably around 4 a shift. We are not trending in the right direction. The concern is like you mentioned we are going back to our pre-COVID volumes. When COVID hit, patients that normally came in stayed at home. It gave us a chance to fight COVID, but unfortunately many people died at home. Many NJ hospitals are reaching near capacity. University Hospital in Newark has been at or near full capacity for the last few weeks. If COVID continues to spike we are going to run out of space and have to make some tough decisions.

Prayers to the team and all those infected. Let's continue to stay vigilant and stay smart.
 
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Per Patch.com:

NEW JERSEY – At least six New Jersey hospitals have been on partial "divert" status as they deal with too many coronavirus cases and other issues amid the second-wave of the COVID-19 outbreak.

"Divert" status usually means that hospitals send notice to incoming ambulances to bring patients to other local medical care facilities.

A hospital goes on diversion when there are not enough beds or staff available in the emergency room, or the hospital itself, to adequately care for patients.

FWIW
 
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Per Patch.com:

NEW JERSEY – At least six New Jersey hospitals have been on partial "divert" status as they deal with too many coronavirus cases and other issues amid the second-wave of the COVID-19 outbreak.

"Divert" status usually means that hospitals send notice to incoming ambulances to bring patients to other local medical care facilities.

A hospital goes on diversion when there are not enough beds or staff available in the emergency room, or the hospital itself, to adequately care for patients.

FWIW

In the last 2 weeks the number of people currently hospitalized due to Covid has increased 72% and is at the highest since June.

Our positivity rate is the highest it has been since May. Everything is trending the wrong way. Rough stretch ahead unfortunately.
 
Liability is a very real thing though

Yes, it is. Which is why liability waivers should be mandatory and deemed enforceable for these particular scenarios. I know the R's and certain states were trying to get protections for businesses as they re-opened, but I don't know how that played out on the state/federal level, and plaintiff's tort/trial bar has a formidable lobbying influence with Democrats on the state and federal level. I'm on the "defense" side of lawsuits of this kind, and while it helps my business to have P's lawyers pursuing liability in these situations, I care far more for the greater good of our country which is why I've been staunch about building in common sense liability protections from the outset of this as it relates to all entities that have to or want to operate in the current pandemic. If a player or coach is not comfortable, they can simply choose to opt out.
 
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Zach B, doesn't expect SHU to be playing games until after 12/1.

 

For now, but they are going that way, except perhaps the Catholic Schools. And then Murphy will be pressured from the NJEA to have Catholic Schools shut down in-person learning so the public teacher's union does not look bad. It is why I decided not to enroll my kids in our local Catholic school at the beginning of the year -- for fear Murphy and the union would not allow them to go forward. I'm regretting that decision with each passing day, because at my kids age, they simply cannot learn or grow as they should through this virtual nonsense.
 
In the last 2 weeks the number of people currently hospitalized due to Covid has increased 72% and is at the highest since June.

Our positivity rate is the highest it has been since May. Everything is trending the wrong way. Rough stretch ahead unfortunately.

Hasn't it been expected all along that there would be an uptick, if not a significant one, as we approached the winter season? This shouldn't be a surprise. We need to figure out ways to move forward without full-scale lockdowns for another 6 months.
 
The next chance for a game is against Baylor late in Nov and that is in major jeopardy.

The Louisville tournament is nearing afterthought status.
 
Just play the games once all tier 1 file 2 days of consecutive negative tests, practice time is overrated this season, who the hell is gonna be practicing when teams have games every 2nd to 4th day this is like NBA until end of Dec
 
Hasn't it been expected all along that there would be an uptick, if not a significant one, as we approached the winter season? This shouldn't be a surprise. We need to figure out ways to move forward without full-scale lockdowns for another 6 months.

Absolutely agree. Unfortunately the time to take action is before people know it is a problem. I think 5% positivity rate is the point where things start getting bad. We don't really need any state actions specifically, we just need people to take it seriously enough for the next 2-3 weeks to keep the spread as low as we reasonably can.
 
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately the time to take action is before people know it is a problem. I think 5% positivity rate is the point where things start getting bad. We don't really need any state actions specifically, we just need people to take it seriously enough for the next 2-3 weeks to keep the spread as low as we reasonably can.
Thanksgiving week and travel on the horizon, will just grow
 
Yes hospitalizations are going up. Prior to late October , I had not seen a positive COVID test since May. Now I'm seeing probably around 4 a shift. We are not trending in the right direction. The concern is like you mentioned we are going back to our pre-COVID volumes. When COVID hit, patients that normally came in stayed at home. It gave us a chance to fight COVID, but unfortunately many people died at home. Many NJ hospitals are reaching near capacity. University Hospital in Newark has been at or near full capacity for the last few weeks. If COVID continues to spike we are going to run out of space and have to make some tough decisions.

Prayers to the team and all those infected. Let's continue to stay vigilant and stay smart.
no way this board said the virus would be over after nov 3, nbd. whiff
 
The 14 day rule is arbitrary and counter to existing data, healthy college athletes are not at risk for life threatening consequences from the virus. The NCAA rule is setting this season up for disaster, hopefully common sense will prevail.
 
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The 14 day rule is arbitrary and counter to existing data, healthy college athletes are not at risk for life threatening consequences from the virus. The NCAA rule is setting this season up for disaster, hopefully common sense will prevail.
This is not just a hoops thing yes this board and members are all about hoops this is also for other indoor sports, wrestling, ice hockey etc
 
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Doubt we have college basketball this season. Stinks but I have started to accept it. Things are trending in wrong direction in past couple of weeks and seriously doubt it improves in next few months. Hope I am wrong. Wife works at hospital and many more Covid patients compared to July thru late October. Virus is real. Stay safe everyone. Just hoping my Steelers can finish their magical season with a title to give me some sports to look forward to this winter.
 
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Per Patch.com:

NEW JERSEY – At least six New Jersey hospitals have been on partial "divert" status as they deal with too many coronavirus cases and other issues amid the second-wave of the COVID-19 outbreak.

"Divert" status usually means that hospitals send notice to incoming ambulances to bring patients to other local medical care facilities.

A hospital goes on diversion when there are not enough beds or staff available in the emergency room, or the hospital itself, to adequately care for patients.

FWIW

1827 people currently hospitalized with COVID in NJ. Earlier this year that number was 3 - 4 times that much for months and we got through it.
 
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1827 people currently hospitalized with COVID in NJ. Earlier this year that number was 3 - 4 times that much for months and we got through it.

We will get through it again. Part of this is kind of self fulfilling. As cases and hospitalizations get worse, Most people become more careful on their own.

Just depressing we are seeing the spikes again. Even as someone who expected a wave to hit in the winter, I kind of hoped I was wrong and it was just a conspiracy that would die out after the election.
 
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