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Something has to give in the next few days. Games are being canceled and the protocol needs reevaluation. Omicron appears to be highly transmissible so do we go back to no fans? Or risk players going on protocols because of increased exposure?

It just feels like it’s virtually impossible to prevent somebody from getting Covid. Our entire extended household of six has been vaccinated and half with the booster. Yet four of us have tested positive in the past two weeks with varying levels of symptoms.
 
I'm hearing about more and more of my friends getting this as well. Many who have gotten the vaccine.

I can add that most of them who are vaccinated are only feeling mild symptoms.

Personally, I have gotten all three shots and Hallrox is set for the Booster in 2 weeks.
 
I'm hearing about more and more of my friends getting this as well. Many who have gotten the vaccine.

I can add that most of them who are vaccinated are only feeling mild symptoms.

Personally, I have gotten all three shots and Hallrox is set for the Booster in 2 weeks.
Look at Cornell. They had a vaccine mandate and now have over 1,000 cases.

I know this won’t happen, but I would just move ahead, stop testing players and just play the games. Omicron symptoms are minor. It’s like if a player had the flu.

Leave it up to each program whether they allow fans or not. Let’s stop disrupting the schedule and flow of games because of a protocol that doesn’t really improve any risk mitigation.
 
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Vaxxed and boostered friends testing positive but with very mild symptoms. Seems like we’re about to be hit with a tsunami. Clearly we’re not ready with workable policies. Don’t think we can outrun or hide from this. For the record I’m 3x vaxxed
 
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I’m also 3x vaxxed and respect those who make different choices. BUT, if you plan to participate in an activity with others (such as hoops) or attend public events with 10k+ other people, you must be vaxxed. Those are voluntary decisions, for the unvaxxed, you can still educate, work and socialize in your home but once you step out into society, I believe, that voluntary choices require compliance with the health mandates…. No different than sitting on your living room sofa after drinking too much —- no issue, but go outside and try to drive or socialize, you must be below the mandated blood alcohol level…. This is no different.

good luck to the boys and team and hope no one is seriously ill.
 
Vaxxed or unvaxxed you can still get Covid and transmit it. Still gotta wear a face diaper. Vax doesn’t prevent you from dying either. So what’s the difference? Only thing I can see is that the vaxxed have greatly increased their chances of suffering from the side effects of the jab.

If you got the jab and believe it works then why do you care what others have done. You’re protected, right?

Bottom line is this crap isn’t going anywhere so we need to learn to live with it. What we are doing now is not living. Two weeks to flatten the curve, right? Almost two years later it’s no longer about flattening the curve, it’s about control.
 
I do not disagree with your comments about control or the need to live in an open society where viruses exist. But those are the ones making the decisions (Not to get political but elections matter).

if I had a voice in the room, if your fully vaxxed (3xs) and have no symptom, there is no need to test. if you have symptoms, go to a doctor, stay home and get treatment. Since those you work with or are around are vaxxed, they can continue their daily lives free from restrictions, wearing a mask when appropriate (putting a jacket on when it’s cold outside — as an example).

it’s not rocket science, just common sense.
 
Omicron appears to be highly transmissible so do we go back to no fans?

Unfortunately I think that's we are headed. Didn't I say this would happen around a month ago?

@sami Called me a moron because I said the season would be impacted and we would have no fans at some point. Looks like I we will be right yet again. I'll wait for one of @sami tirades again calling me a "liar" when I have been speaking the truth the entire time.
 
I’m also 3x vaxxed and respect those who make different choices. BUT, if you plan to participate in an activity with others (such as hoops) or attend public events with 10k+ other people, you must be vaxxed. Those are voluntary decisions, for the unvaxxed, you can still educate, work and socialize in your home but once you step out into society, I believe, that voluntary choices require compliance with the health mandates…. No different than sitting on your living room sofa after drinking too much —- no issue, but go outside and try to drive or socialize, you must be below the mandated blood alcohol level…. This is no different.

good luck to the boys and team and hope no one is seriously ill.
I think the issue is vaxxed are testing positive. Columbia U study out says omicron resistant to vaccine.
 
I do not disagree with your comments about control or the need to live in an open society where viruses exist. But those are the ones making the decisions (Not to get political but elections matter).

if I had a voice in the room, if your fully vaxxed (3xs) and have no symptom, there is no need to test. if you have symptoms, go to a doctor, stay home and get treatment. Since those you work with or are around are vaxxed, they can continue their daily lives free from restrictions, wearing a mask when appropriate (putting a jacket on when it’s cold outside — as an example).

it’s not rocket science, just common sense.

In your "common sense" post you didn't mention about natural immunity.

If you didn't receive the vaccine but had covid, is it still common sense to get the vaccine?

If you were vaccinated with your first two jabs and then tested positive, do you still need the booster because of natural immunity?

My common sense would be no you wouldn't need a booster, for the second scenario. But I'm interested to see your feedback.
 
I’m also 3x vaxxed and respect those who make different choices. BUT, if you plan to participate in an activity with others (such as hoops) or attend public events with 10k+ other people, you must be vaxxed. Those are voluntary decisions, for the unvaxxed, you can still educate, work and socialize in your home but once you step out into society, I believe, that voluntary choices require compliance with the health mandates…. No different than sitting on your living room sofa after drinking too much —- no issue, but go outside and try to drive or socialize, you must be below the mandated blood alcohol level…. This is no different.

good luck to the boys and team and hope no one is seriously ill.

Why? A room full of 10k vaccinated people can still can still transmit the virus.
 
The vaccine would be extra protection for those who have antibodies either through nature or from a prior exposure. Again, think of it as putting on a scarf with the jacket or a hat with a hood…. Just another layer Of protection.
 
Vaxxed and boostered friends testing positive but with very mild symptoms. Seems like we’re about to be hit with a tsunami. Clearly we’re not ready with workable policies. Don’t think we can outrun or hide from this. For the record I’m 3x vaxxed
Why is it a tsunami if generally mild symptoms?
 
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If the public discussion was different, and this gets back to the control issue, the generally accepted views on this would be as well…. i have no answers just opinions. We have to respect the decisions of each other, get as informed as possible and hope/pray for the easier pathway through.
 
The vaccine would be extra protection for those who have antibodies either through nature or from a prior exposure. Again, think of it as putting on a scarf with the jacket or a hat with a hood…. Just another layer Of protection.

Sounds like you are in the medical field. What are your credentials?

So are you telling me its 100% safe for a fully vaxxed person who tested positive for the virus to receive the booster their first day out of quarantine after testing positive? That doesn't seem like common sense to me.
 
there is plenty of information on the internet to read and have a learned opinion. Reflect with God. this issue is no different than any other we face (cancer, death, sicknesses of all types). Get advise from your own doctor and make informed decision. Good luck.
 
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"This will be a winter of serve illness and death". The latest from our President. Wasn't this the same guy that said we will only have to wear a mask for the first 100 days of his presidency? Wasn't this the same guy that said the Vaccinated don't have to wear masks anymore? Wasn't this the same guy that claimed the virus was defeated during the Washington DC 4th of July show?

 
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Still a lot of unknown about omnicron but this is very encouraging data.

I hope this is true. But there is an alternative, less promising, hypothesis: it could be that is more severe (and more vaccine resistant) such that there are more breakthrough infections (albeit mild) that were going unnoticed in delta wave. That could bring down the hospitalization percentage—bexause there are more total cases being observed—notwithstanding severity.
 
The vaccine would be extra protection for those who have antibodies either through nature or from a prior exposure. Again, think of it as putting on a scarf with the jacket or a hat with a hood…. Just another layer Of protection.

Since when did "vaccine" suddenly come to mean 'extra protection?"

"Vaccine" has always meant "immunity."

One of the many bizarre mass delusions associated with the COVID issue is how many people have suddenly and entirely switched their understanding of what the word "vaccination" means.

By definition, if a "vaccine" does not innoculate or prevent transmission but only "reduces severity of symptoms" (itself an incredibly vague concept which is difficult to prove or measure), then the "vaccine" is simply and plainly a total failure.
 
Covid is like the new QAnon. People come out of the woodwork with these bizarre stances and half truths and make it seem like gospel.

No matter what you think about it, there are people who are a lot smarter and more well informed by us that make these decisions.

People should worry more about the Pirates than trying to explain why your opinion is right or someone else’s is wrong.
 
"This will be a winter of serve illness and death". The latest from our President. Wasn't this the same guy that said we will only have to wear a mask for the first 100 days of his presidency? Wasn't this the same guy that said the Vaccinated don't have to wear masks anymore? Wasn't this the same guy that claimed the virus was defeated during the Washington DC 4th of July show?

If that's what he feels he should shut down everything like 2020 again, including sports. By doing nothing isn't he letting it just happen? Sounds like poor leadership if that's what he believes.
 
Always love the comment that opinions should not be voiced on message boards… have to go to work.. cheers to all, be safe and have a happy holiday season. Merry Xmas
 
Since when did "vaccine" suddenly come to mean 'extra protection?"

"Vaccine" has always meant "immunity."

One of the many bizarre mass delusions associated with the COVID issue is how many people have suddenly and entirely switched their understanding of what the word "vaccination" means.

By definition, if a "vaccine" does not innoculate or prevent transmission but only "reduces severity of symptoms" (itself an incredibly vague concept which is difficult to prove or measure), then the "vaccine" is simply and plainly a total failure.
vaccines boost immunity**
 
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No matter what you think about it, there are people who are a lot smarter and more well informed by us that make these decisions.

An incredibly dangerous mindset that is contrary to the proper functioning of a republican, democratic society.

Equally true whether the issue in question is public health, school curriculums, wars, government bailouts of failing financial institutions, etc.
 
Covid is like the new QAnon. People come out of the woodwork with these bizarre stances and half truths and make it seem like gospel.

No matter what you think about it, there are people who are a lot smarter and more well informed by us that make these decisions.

People should worry more about the Pirates than trying to explain why your opinion is right or someone else’s is wrong.
Need to get away from the politicized accusations. From my perspective:
* First thing is talk to your physician, discuss your risk factors, ask questions. Hopefully, your physician is the most trusted source for healthcare.
* This is a disease that almost exclusively effects the elderly and those with comorbidities. If you fall into those categories, even more important to have that conversation with your physician to address those comorbidities and put together an aggressive plan.
* If you become symptomatic, get tested immediately and notify your physician immediately. Unfortunately, I hear too often that hospitalized patients (vaccinated or unvaccinated), waited too long to get triaged. Decisions can be made if there is early intervention. For instance, the mAb only works if it's infused within seven days of symptom onset.
* Take your temperature and have a pulse oximeter in your home. Monitoring oxygen levels is critically important if you are dealing with symptoms at home.
* Constant feedback with your primary care physician. They are the gate keeper for the treatment protocols and getting you access.

At the end of the day, it's a personal decision. I don't know or pretend to know anyone else's personal situation, their risk factors, their concerns. It's none of my business. Endlessly interrogating people and making judgements and labeling them provides no positive value.
 
does anyone know how the players are feeling?

maybe its good theyre getting this over with right now. that iona game was a no win situation and conference play hasnt begun yet.
 
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does anyone know how the players are feeling?

maybe its good theyre getting this over with right now. that iona game was a no win situation and conference play hasnt begun yet.

If the St. John's game (and maybe DePaul, though hopefully we're good to go by then) can get rescheduled, this could turn out to be a good thing from a basketball perspective. Iona was a risky game - a team we should beat, but a team that is good enough to beat us if we didn't put forth a focused performance.
 
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I don’t like Jerry’s idea. It should be up to the league working with the teams to work to reschedule a game, not the 2 teams if they are able and willing.
That's implied Steve. The league will have to approved of any arrangements made.
 
We are subject to a social contract. The vaccine is not a panacea. But it is a societal good. Reduction in severity and duration of the illness necessarily benefits our neighbors. Shorter recovery time shrinks the shed window which in turn retards transmission.

I doubt there would be any serious resistance to the vaccine if COVID presented a higher morbidity rate. Yet, COVID is not just a bad cold. Even if an individual has a reasonable likelihood of avoiding serious complications, by resisting measures instituted to promote public health others are placed at risk. Extending the pandemic leaves us all vulnerable to the emergence of virulent variants.

On the most basic level, freedom includes freedom from threats to health. Reasonable limitation on personal freedom, as is the case with smoking, are part and parcel of the American experience. The individual is free to smoke, but not may subject others to the attendant health consequences.

Bringing it back to basketball, I am free to choose to attend games but I also have an ethical duty to take all steps possible to protect the fan sitting next to me: old, young or overweight.

Public health is not political. That some may attempt to marry public health concerns with political agendas must not obscure the fundamental goal of protecting fellow Americans.

I hope this analysis proves helpful in considering the thorny issues presented by the pandemic.
 
If the St. John's game (and maybe DePaul, though hopefully we're good to go by then) can get rescheduled, this could turn out to be a good thing from a basketball perspective. Iona was a risky game - a team we should beat, but a team that is good enough to beat us if we didn't put forth a focused performance.
plus, whats the health status of our guys? are they ok?

as for rescheduling sju theyll complain that well have ike for that game when we shouldnt
 
We are subject to a social contract. The vaccine is not a panacea. But it is a societal good. Reduction in severity and duration of the illness necessarily benefits our neighbors. Shorter recovery time shrinks the shed window which in turn retards transmission.

I doubt there would be any serious resistance to the vaccine if COVID presented a higher morbidity rate. Yet, COVID is not just a bad cold. Even if an individual has a reasonable likelihood of avoiding serious complications, by resisting measures instituted to promote public health others are placed at risk. Extending the pandemic leaves us all vulnerable to the emergence of virulent variants.

On the most basic level, freedom includes freedom from threats to health. Reasonable limitation on personal freedom, as is the case with smoking, are part and parcel of the American experience. The individual is free to smoke, but not may subject others to the attendant health consequences.

Bringing it back to basketball, I am free to choose to attend games but I also have an ethical duty to take all steps possible to protect the fan sitting next to me: old, young or overweight.

Public health is not political. That some may attempt to marry public health concerns with political agendas must not obscure the fundamental goal of protecting fellow Americans.

I hope this analysis proves helpful in considering the thorny issues presented by the pandemic.
I can appreciate how you feel but we should be consistent as well. Case in point, we are in the middle of a national blood emergency. The largest supplier of blood products, the American Red Cross has a half a day inventory in their system. Normally it’s between seven and eight days. They are actually rationing some blood types across all hospitals. Anybody in healthcare that posts here just needs to ask their blood bank manager or head of transfusion services. We are in a situation where life and death decisions are being made depending on the traumas that are presented. Why are we in this situation? Work from home practices, school restrictions are limiting the ability to collect blood at businesses and schools. Others are afraid to donate.

Only 4% of the population that is eligible to donate actually does. So if you really care about a social contract and helping your fellow man to survive a surgery, I would suggest rolling up your sleeve and going to the closest community blood center in your area.
 
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