Traitor. What else could explain Trump?
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If Trump is found to be guilty of working with Russia to win the election, he has to be removed from office. We can't just let that go for fear that his supporters may fight .
The cult of Trump could be far more dangerous if he leaves office unscathed.
There are thousands of people who believe Trump is going to save us from the Illuminati, the Mueller investigation is fake and it is really Hillary and Obama under investigation and they are are on their way to Gitmo.,, and even far more ridiculous things.
Trump would be free to build his propaganda TV network building his cult even further.
He wouldn't be impeached because people don't like him.
He would be impeached because he worked with Russians to help him win the presidency and they potentially have leverage over the sitting US president.
Is it worth debating? That sounds like a pretty easy no for the job title. His routine, while I have no use for it, is fine for citizen Trump. I'd gladly continue to ignore it. As President?!? I don't care who you are or which lousy party you represent. Your brand? No. You represent the American people.
“The cult of Trump”....where do you get shit like that?
If it’s proven that he colluded with Russia, he’s gone. If it’s nothing more than what we’ve seen so far, he’s not going anywhere. Don’t hear or see much anymore about the whole obstruction charge either anymore. And that would be really hard to make an impeachable offense.
I agree with you. Again, I'm saying you have to understand this about the man if you want to understand how he operates and the rationale for the decisions he makes.
To this day there is still no proof of that. I'm continuing to wait. If proven, he'll be out of there. Who would disagree with that?
Have you ever heard of Qanon?
It is a Trump cult. I'm not kidding.
I don't think public discussion is a prerequisite for impeachable offenses... but I agree, it will have to be more than we have seen so far.
It likely will be much more than we have seen so far.
That's a fringe group and more about a few celebrity idiots. Thanks for reminding me of the bet....it was a long time ago
I’ve read the psychological profile of a narcissist with psychopathic tendencies. It sums him up pretty well, sadly.
That's a fringe group and more about a few celebrity idiots. Thanks for reminding me of the bet....it was a long time ago
I wouldn’t have known about it had a friend that I’ve known since I was 5 start following it. Rosanne certainly added some noise but there seem to be a ton of people buying onto this stuff. A lot higher than I was expecting
Impossible to get an exact number but their subreddit has 40k+ subscribers. Which has more than doubled in the last 2 months. One of the most popular contributors there has around 100k subscribers on twitter and YouTube.
I’ve been watching the group since my old friend has bought into all of it, and it just surprised me how many people were on board with some of these conspiracy theories that are really out there, and how the group appears to be growing fairly rapidly.
So should we do a membership comparison between Qanon, KKK, Antifa, OWS, and BLM? Let’s call them what they are. Lunatic fringe movements. I know the MSM likes to equate a Trump supporter to a “cult”, but I thought you were better than that.
Sorry if I implied all Trump supporters are a cult. That is not what I was trying to say.
If you want to call it a fringe movement, I have no objection but like I said I have been following this the last couple months and it is different (and far more cult like) than other groups.
"Q" will post a cryptic message on one of the chan sites and then his followers will spend the next several days trying to decode the message. Trump will do something and they will latch on to what Trump did as proof that Q is someone inside the Trump admin with Q level clearance. He has lead them to believe in all kinds of crazy conspiracies including Hillary running a child sex trafficking ring, the school shootings where children were murdered were all false flags covering up other news stories, Netflix is evil and trying to normalize cannibalism by having a comedy about zombies... When Trump joked he could shoot someone on 5th ave - These are the people he was talking about. Reading into them has been really weird.
It is amazing what mental gymnastics the Trump supporters will do to try to excuse his behavior and what he says. White House now considering the great offer by Putin to have his people question Americans in exchange for Mueller questioning Russians. WTF???????????
He misspoke. What he meant to say was that it wasn’t an amazing strong offer to not let Putin not question the Americans.
Something like that.
No, it is not. I can't recall of any other candidate or President in the history of this country that lies this much, insults our allies, spurn our traditional allies , not support NATO, cozy up to our enemy in Russia.
No other person could ever get away with this Republican or Democrat. Trump support is different.
I think this goes along that his supporters think of him as one of them. His solutions are simplistic. This s the thinking of many Americans. Therefore, an attack on him, is an attack on them personally. Therefore, their support will never waiver because they see themselves in him somehow.
With regard to Republicans, those in Congress cannot described as a profile in courage. Their acceptance of Trump's "would't" excuse is just evidence that they are not doing their job as a check and balance of the power of the executive and probably afraid of getting primaried. Seems like John McCain is the lone voice of reason even though he is dying.
Have to disagree with you. Hillary was about as morally corrupt individual as you can have, but she still won the primary and had tons of blind supporters. You can replace tromp with Obama in your second paragraph. You can replace Trump with Obama in your second paragraph.
I’m not going to defend Trump, but your hysteria over his supporters rings hollow. If both parties were just doing their job, he would’ve never even emerged as a candidate. And the MSM and both parties still give his supporters plenty of reasons to stand behind him. As I said earlier, I hope we all learn from this experience and nominate candidates that demonstrate real leadership in 2020.
I wanted to follow up on that after the news report yesterday that Trump was briefed In January 2017 showing evidence that Putin ordered the hacking.
I would assume there would be very few people who know what evidence Trump say in Jan 2017 that tied this directly to Putin, so the fact that it was reported means someone pretty high up leaked it to a reporter.
Do you consider this as someone being out to get Trump?
Sounds like someone has had enough of the lies and misdirection coming from the White House.
On Wednesday, the White House said it was considering President Vladimir Putin's proposal to allow Russia to question Americans (specifically former Russian Ambassador Michael McFaul, and Bill Browder, who successfully lobbied the US government to impose new sanctions on Moscow.) in exchange for assistance in the ongoing US investigation into election interference.
On Thursday Press Secretary Sanders issued the following statement:
"It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by President Putin, but President Trump disagrees with it," "Hopefully President Putin will have the 12 identified Russians come to the United States to prove their innocence or guilt."
Hot take – A great decision by the President. Why it was even being considered is a valid question. This is another example of what is becoming a reality show Presidency. For whatever reason, the President is misreading the American public on the “Russia” issue. Perhaps the compromise theories have some substance.
On Thursday Press Secretary Sanders issued the following statement:
"It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by President Putin, but President Trump disagrees with it," "Hopefully President Putin will have the 12 identified Russians come to the United States to prove their innocence or guilt."
Hot take – A great decision by the President. Why it was even being considered is a valid question. This is another example of what is becoming a reality show Presidency. For whatever reason, the President is misreading the American public on the “Russia” issue. Perhaps the compromise theories have some substance.
In moderately breaking news, the Senate passed a resolution opposing the proposal to have the Russian government question American officials. The vote was 98-0.
Hot take - A day late and a dollar short for the Senate. The President already smartly poo-poohed this idea. Bonus kudos for the Presidential leadership to get 98 Senators to agree to his rejection.
Hot take - A day late and a dollar short for the Senate. The President already smartly poo-poohed this idea. Bonus kudos for the Presidential leadership to get 98 Senators to agree to his rejection.
Dan Coates, Trump's own National Security Advisor, still does not know what was said to and agreed to during Trump's meeting with Putin. Dan Coates was surprised to find out Trump's invitation to Putin to come to the White House. Just Crazy!
Lots of bosses don't tell their employees the contents of every meeting they attend. It is not uncommon.
I am assuming that you are being sarcastic. Otherwise, you would have no clue how proper government especially with national security works.
Perhaps. But realistically there are only two outcomes of the discussion
1. Policy changes. At some point we're all going to know and we'll deal with it then.
2. Something secret and bad. We won't know until Russia acts on it.
Dan Coates being uncomfortable about not knowing what went on at the meeting is supported by 40% of Americans.
President Trump keeping the American public in the dark about the contents on his discussion with Vladimir Putin should be supported by 0% of Americans.
We should have as much transparency as possible and Trump (or any President) should share as much as possible with the public and obviously briefing his security team in detail.
I'm not so sure previous President's shared much more with the public than Trump has. There is obviously a heightened MSM microscope on him (part of which is self-inflicted), but the more unnerving part is who if anyone in his inner-circle that he is sharing the content of the meeting. I'm going to guess it's Pompeo, Kushner, Bolten, etc., but who knows.
President Trump does not owe American citizens a personal explanation. Dan Coates (among others) are our stand-in for matters that pertain to national security.
The MSM has nothing to do with this. The White House tweeted important information about an invitation to have the leader of Russia visit the United States three days after the summit meeting. I am not sure how many companies tweet their instructions to their employees but my guess is it is uncommon.
I object to being part of a reality television show where we are entertained with new information saved up for the next episode. Whether we should have Putin visit is a matter of opinion. What shouldn't be matter of opinion is the people tasked with making this meeting happen should have been notified in a timely and structured way. The President is doing a disservice to the American people regardless of political affiliation.
When did Dan Coates become National Security Advisor? Hint: he's not.
Secret ageements should never be OK. Presidents have been doing that for years. For years and years the people and Congress have abdicated power to the cult of presidency and it's terrible.
The New York Times reported this week that Michael Cohen, the attorney known as Donald Trump’s fixer, recorded a conversation with President Trump before the election in which they discussed possible payments to a former Playboy model who claimed she slept with Trump in 2006. The FBI seized the recording during a raid earlier this year on Cohen’s office.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-about-possible-payment-to-playboy-model.html
Kudos to the MSM for breaking this story regarding the tape, who’s existence was subsequently confirmed by Rudolph Giuliani. We are lucky to have a free and independent press in this country. Ultimately, this tape will have little impact on the President. In the worst case, it is an illegal campaign contribution. He may also have to have another discussion with Melania but that is not really the business of the American people.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-about-possible-payment-to-playboy-model.html
Kudos to the MSM for breaking this story regarding the tape, who’s existence was subsequently confirmed by Rudolph Giuliani. We are lucky to have a free and independent press in this country. Ultimately, this tape will have little impact on the President. In the worst case, it is an illegal campaign contribution. He may also have to have another discussion with Melania but that is not really the business of the American people.
The President weighed in on Twitter
Donald J. TrumpVerified account@realDonaldTrump
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Inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer’s office (early in the morning) - almost unheard of. Even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client - totally unheard of & perhaps illegal. The good news is that your favorite President did nothing wrong!
5:10 AM - 21 Jul 2018
Hot take – This tweet made me laugh. I like lawyers, and happened to be one myself until my unfortunate disbarment (totally unfair I might add). Michael Cohen, as Donald Trump’s fixer, was the kind of attorney all powerful people want to have on the fringes of their legal team – someone willing to work the gray areas of the law. Michael Cohen taping a client is not only not inconceivable (double negative alert) it should be entirely expected.
The President is learning a hard lesson about leverage. Michael Cohen is going to do what is in his best interest whether the President likes it or not. This particular tape is much ado about nothing. The question is – were any other conversations taped?
Donald J. TrumpVerified account@realDonaldTrump
FollowingFollowing @realDonaldTrump
Inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer’s office (early in the morning) - almost unheard of. Even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client - totally unheard of & perhaps illegal. The good news is that your favorite President did nothing wrong!
5:10 AM - 21 Jul 2018
Hot take – This tweet made me laugh. I like lawyers, and happened to be one myself until my unfortunate disbarment (totally unfair I might add). Michael Cohen, as Donald Trump’s fixer, was the kind of attorney all powerful people want to have on the fringes of their legal team – someone willing to work the gray areas of the law. Michael Cohen taping a client is not only not inconceivable (double negative alert) it should be entirely expected.
The President is learning a hard lesson about leverage. Michael Cohen is going to do what is in his best interest whether the President likes it or not. This particular tape is much ado about nothing. The question is – were any other conversations taped?
I think the payoff to the playboy model is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Does it prove that Trump lies about it? Yes but we all know he is a habitual liar.
I think more interesting is Cohen recorded this conversation. I disagree with Knowknow that this should be expected. To me, if you are recording your client, you do not trust him. You are engaging in highly questionable legal behavior and he recorded for his escape valve or leverage on Trump of things went bad. The question is, what else did he record. This is a leak probably from Cohen. Warning shot??
Donald J. TrumpVerified account@realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago
So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!!
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It is tiresome but this tweet is nothing more than a rehash of what he has said before although it does serve as a reminder that the President will not accept anything that does not match his world view. Making decisions based on what you wish happened rather than what actually happened is a dangerous thing for a President to do.
Actually, the tweet is easily explainable. People seem to have a hard time understanding the president's position: Yes, Russia interfered. No, he didn't collude with them.
Saying "Obama knew about Russia before the Election" implies that he (Trump) knows Russia interfered. What he has been upset about is that because Russia interfered, people think there must have been collusion with his campaign. He's saying those charges are bogus. It's really not that hard to understand.
What has yet to be proven (and needs to play out one way or the other) is if there was collusion. Everyone accepts Russia interfered, even the president.
Saying "Obama knew about Russia before the Election" implies that he (Trump) knows Russia interfered. What he has been upset about is that because Russia interfered, people think there must have been collusion with his campaign. He's saying those charges are bogus. It's really not that hard to understand.
What has yet to be proven (and needs to play out one way or the other) is if there was collusion. Everyone accepts Russia interfered, even the president.
I can buy that argument - but the part I took issue with was
"Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why"
Trump was briefed in August 2016 that Russians were trying to infiltrate his campaign.
He was personally told about the threat. At every opportunity, his aim is to mislead the American people.
