Way more independent than you. If it has a D next to it, you're cool with it. If it's a R, forget it.
Tulsi Gabbard
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You're right, but I can't imagine that happening. I would think the goal of the third party is wanting nothing to do with either party because the whole goal is to distance themselves from being associated with the far wings of each party.
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Distance, yes…but think about the position of power they would have to direct their support to one party vs the other….ability to negotiate. That’s how you get meaningful change without having a majority.
I understand what you're saying, I just don't see how you can convince me to do it. I lean right. I agree with what Tulsi says, but at the end of the day if I choose to follow Tulsi and she says we're going to work hard with the Dems to pull them to the middle, I'm going to be super skeptical and it's highy unlikely I'm voting for Joe Biden in 2024 because Tulsi and her following in Washington have some bargaining power in to possibly pull Joe more to the middle. While Tulsi has bargaining power so does the squad. And I doubt you're going to get people who are in the middle but who lean left to go to the side where Marjorie Taylor Green has a voice.
Honestly, I don't think we need a third party at all. We just need one of the 2 parties to take their heads out of their ass. I think either party could steal one third to half of the people who lean the opposite direction, if they just came to the middle. Why both sides go the far ends can only be because they scream the loudest.
Yes Gabbard is such a great person to look up at. The only reason you like her is because she is leaving the Democratic Party and is anti-Biden. Meanwhile you could care less about her pro-Russian stances. Any American should be very concerned on those views.
Tulsi Gabbard Latest To Push Russian-Backed Conspiracy About U.S.-Backed Biological Labs In Ukraine
Known for her pro-Russia stances and frequent conspiracy theories, former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard shared misleading information Sunday about the danger of biological laboratories in Ukraine.
www.forbes.com
It always comes back to Russia. I think we need a more balanced approach on all things Russia. If you listen to the MSM anything Russian is always 100% wrong. If Russia came out and said the Yankees wear pinstripes the MSM would tell us they’re wrong. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be skeptical of Russia but I’ve yet to meet the person who lies, cheats, and steals 100% of the time. Even the whackiest politicians in this country have some good views at times. No politician should be pro any country but America. I’m tired of pro Israel stances, pro China stances, etc. Just be pro America and if it aligns with being pro Israel, pro China, or pro Russia so be it. If it doesn’t so be it.Yes Gabbard is such a great person to look up at. The only reason you like her is because she is leaving the Democratic Party and is anti-Biden. Meanwhile you could care less about her pro-Russian stances. Any American should be very concerned on those views.
Tulsi Gabbard Latest To Push Russian-Backed Conspiracy About U.S.-Backed Biological Labs In Ukraine
Known for her pro-Russia stances and frequent conspiracy theories, former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard shared misleading information Sunday about the danger of biological laboratories in Ukraine.
Right on cue. You’re so stuck under your “D” that you can’t stomach anybody that disagrees or offers a different point of view. So open minded of you…Yes Gabbard is such a great person to look up at. The only reason you like her is because she is leaving the Democratic Party and is anti-Biden. Meanwhile you could care less about her pro-Russian stances. Any American should be very concerned on those views.
Tulsi Gabbard Latest To Push Russian-Backed Conspiracy About U.S.-Backed Biological Labs In Ukraine
Known for her pro-Russia stances and frequent conspiracy theories, former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard shared misleading information Sunday about the danger of biological laboratories in Ukraine.
Unfortunately, both parties are so dug in and catering to their radical bases that I don’t see that leadership coming within the confines of either party.
Being proPutin Russia i am against. Period. Some views are just fundamentally wrong that nothing else matters. She does voice pro Russian sentiment does she not? She does voice Putin propónganla does she not?
Thus, I am against her. Nothing to do with being and R or D. It being American.
You can’t even keep your posts straight. I wasn’t responding to 09 about Gabbard.Yes Gabbard is such a great person to look up at. The only reason you like her is because she is leaving the Democratic Party and is anti-Biden. Meanwhile you could care less about her pro-Russian stances. Any American should be very concerned on those views.
Tulsi Gabbard Latest To Push Russian-Backed Conspiracy About U.S.-Backed Biological Labs In Ukraine
Known for her pro-Russia stances and frequent conspiracy theories, former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard shared misleading information Sunday about the danger of biological laboratories in Ukraine.
Yes Gabbard is such a great person to look up at. The only reason you like her is because she is leaving the Democratic Party and is anti-Biden. Meanwhile you could care less about her pro-Russian stances. Any American should be very concerned on those views.
Tulsi Gabbard Latest To Push Russian-Backed Conspiracy About U.S.-Backed Biological Labs In Ukraine
Known for her pro-Russia stances and frequent conspiracy theories, former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard shared misleading information Sunday about the danger of biological laboratories in Ukraine.
Being skeptical of the MSM isn't "pro-Russian." It's called having an open mind and thinking independently.
All the anti Russia talk is getting us further and further into a hole. At some point we need to roll back some of the hate since we both need to coexist on the same planet. We need someone to step up get on a plane and start negotiating and turning the temperature down. President Biden did promise to restore our standing on the world stage. He’s delivering in a big way, North Korea, Russia and China are all hot beds. This is what you get when you elect weak feeble presidents who have been selling out America for years. We need to look at things and see the big picture. How do we bring Russia back to a peaceful position.
I've always said something similar. It never made sense to me to play brinkmanship with the one country on the planet that can totally destroy our country.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/cuomo-show/gabbard-im-an-independent-have-no-plans-to-run/
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Megyn Kelly urges ex-Dem Tulsi Gabbard to run for president with Kristi Noem: ‘Best-looking ticket ever’
Gabbard, the former Hawaii congresswoman and presidential candidate, appeared on Kelly’s SiriusXM podcast on Friday, “The Megyn Kelly Show.”
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I don’t believe that poll which says only 20-30% of folks are not loyal to a particular party and are true independents. I think most have views on at least one thing that might be independent of where the party lands. But end of day I think a much, much higher percentage vote for one party no matter what. They might be afraid to admit it for polling, or they might convince themselves differently.
I recall many folks in law school - where the majority were staunch D’s - often saying they would vote for certain R’s, like McCain, if he ran for President. My Dad, who worked in the political arena, told me not to believe it for a second when I’d discuss it with him. He said if the scenario actually happened, most if not all would express a change of heart for whatever reason (he changes, he’s different now, etc). And of course that’s precisely what happened when I would catch up with them post law school in 2008.
I’ve voted about evenly between D and R for President since I was of voting age. And I think I’m an extreme outlier.
I recall many folks in law school - where the majority were staunch D’s - often saying they would vote for certain R’s, like McCain, if he ran for President. My Dad, who worked in the political arena, told me not to believe it for a second when I’d discuss it with him. He said if the scenario actually happened, most if not all would express a change of heart for whatever reason (he changes, he’s different now, etc). And of course that’s precisely what happened when I would catch up with them post law school in 2008.
I’ve voted about evenly between D and R for President since I was of voting age. And I think I’m an extreme outlier.
Generally with you. I'm dismayed at how many people vote for one party no matter what. I've been eligible to vote in four presidential elections. Voted D 3 times and R once and I suspect that'll become 3-2 after 2024 if the current situation holds (so long as Trump doesn't run and Biden or worse is the D nominee). For governor, once for a D, 3 for a R and once for an independent. People who vote straight party line are doing themselves a disservice because they don't honestly evaluate each candidate.
She does not. She opposes regime change wars. Hillary was one of the Dems who started the whole Russian asset thing. Apparently you bought in hook line and sinker.
Amazing how people call her relevant. There is a reason that at age 31 she was invited to speak on the opening night of the Democratic national convention. She came from virtually nowhere and was dubbed the rising star of the Democratic party. Now that she has disagreed with the party she was vilified and thrown into ridiculous theory that she is a Russian asset.
This is all about R & D and nothing else
Again you have a knee jerk reaction to her because she is anti D. She is against us supporting Ukraine and has stated that the US and Ukraine have biological labs in Ukraine for bio weapons. That’s Putin propaganda. Mitt Romney called her out on it.
This is precious that you are using Mitt Romney to make your argument. She is against escalating tensions and creating a potential nuclear conflict. Quite frankly, Europeans are very concerned about this. They are convinced that Putin is going to use a targeted nuclear attack.
she is supporting that we use whatever we can to negotiate with Russia directly or through back channels, much like JFK did with Kruschef during the Cuban missile crisis.
When did you become such a fan of Romney, LOL?? You have no respect for him, he's principle-less, etc.
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My argument is that she is pro-Putin and Romney agrees. It not just Hillary or the Democratic establishment. I tend to think his opinion is better than yours or Pirata.
I guess you would just handoff Ukraine to the Russians.
Yes. I stand by those statements. Romney should have backed his own plan instead of caving into the right. That was always Romney’s issue. He caved instead of standing for his true principles. He did the same thing when he knew Trump was no good yet he sat down with him for dinner and Trump shoved it up his ass. That doesn’t mean Romney doesn’t have good views and instincts.When did you become such a fan of Romney, LOL?? You have no respect for him, he's principle-less, etc.
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I am shocked that not one poster has commented on Bill Clinton's speech last night. This must be a very Republican board because the silence is very telling. Is the strategy Try to ignore the great speech and hope it doesn't sink Romney's campaign. It was 48 minutes long and I was riveted...
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However, SPK, I Fail to understand how this is relevant to the fact that Tulsi Gabbard is Pro Putin and Romney agrees with that fact. I guess you are now a supporter of Putin and Gabbard?
Perhaps you should have been at Bunny’s Supporting the team instead of researching irrelevant Romney posts of mine.
Just stop with the pro-Putin nonsense. She is promoting a dialog, much like Europeans are. This putting her into a box is getting tiring. SPK did a mic drop on you. The jury has spoken.
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LOL at you all of a sudden rolling out Romney now after never having respecting him before! Quite the pretzel you’ve twisted yourself into.
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You found one irrelevant republican to support your Hilary conspiracy theory. Then in true Cern fashion you declare that anyone who does not agree with this is Pro-Putin.
Please explain your logic that concludes that because someone thinks the Gabbard Pro-Putin claims are suspect that in turn makes them Pro-Putin.
The claim that she is pro-Putin is the result of her statements that NATO policy and actions contributed to the conflict. She never said the war was justified.
BTW, here is one of her Pro-Putin Tweets (LOL):
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I’ll be honest that I did believe the Russian sympathizer talk initially. I found some of what she was saying to be in line with what was coming from Russia and Russian media also seemed to really like her.
After I looked into it more though, I was less convinced.
She became a party outsider in 2016 because she believed the party was trying to help Hillary win instead of Bernie, and she was right. The party shunned her for complaining and being in Hawaii where she was certain to win running as a democrat, she started to go against the party line occasionally.
She seems to be against US intervention in most cases other than negotiations and that’s a reasonable position to have even though I don’t agree when it comes to something like helping Ukraine defend against Russia.
Not a fan of the scorched earth approach leaving the party especially right before a midterm though.
Maybe it has less to do with the midterms and more to do with Putin being on the verge of launching a nuclear strike. What does she owe the Democratic Party anyway? Given the way she has been treated for having differing opinions on some issues.
And as some other experts on this thread have posted she’s “irrelevant” so it should have no impact.
She doesn’t owe them anything, but her decision to leave the party right before a midterm talking about all of the problems with the Democratic Party is not going to move the needle on the threat of a nuclear war at all…
her leaving the party right before a midterm, after a midterm, or any other time is not going to move the needle. If there's a time Tulsi can leave the party and have a positive impact on the threat of nuclear war, let me know. I think your bigger concern is she's calling out the issues with the democratic party before midterms. Which is fair. But it's also fair that she believes the party has been screwing certain candidates, so she doesn't feel terrible screwing the party a little bit, which she's free to do.
I think she’s shining a light domestically on an issue that is top of mind for Europeans. Whether it moves the needle or not, she is raising a very important topic that has global implications. She has a long history of not doing a “popular” thing and towing the party line despite those in her own party that have chosen to attack and silence her on those views.
I get why conservatives like her, but her move was politically motivated. I’m not mad, it’s a part of the game… but let’s not pretend she isn’t playing it.
She’s not going to have an impact on the election, or the potential of a Russian Nuke at all. Doing it now just impacts how much attention she gets.
She's playing the same game that got Liz Cheney a bunch of attention from Democrats. All politicians are playing a game every second of the day. They're playing games when they remain silent and when they speak. Topics like the filibuster much needed during these 2 years, but after the next election it might not be such a necessity anymore and vice versa to the other party. They spend more time playing the game than actually helping people.
