Tulsi Gabbard

[HALL85]

I get why conservatives like her, but her move was politically motivated. I’m not mad, it’s a part of the game… but let’s not pretend she isn’t playing it.

She’s not going to have an impact on the election, or the potential of a Russian Nuke at all. Doing it now just impacts how much attention she gets.

That’s your opinion, but it doesn’t make it correct. If she’s not going to have an impact on the election, why would conservatives or anyone care at this point?

If Putin does strike (hopefully not), does that make her concern or voice more credibile?

 

[HALL85]

She's playing the same game that got Liz Cheney a bunch of attention from Democrats. All politicians are playing a game every second of the day. They're playing games when they remain silent and when they speak. Topics like the filibuster much needed during these 2 years, but after the next election it might not be such a necessity anymore and vice versa to the other party. They spend more time playing the game than actually helping people.

Playing a game or principled? You can make an argument that both Cheney and Gabbard have sacrificed their careers in their parties to a) prevent Trump from running and b) to prevent a nuclear existential threat?

What’s their end game? To hurt the party they grew up in? Why?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Playing a game or principled? You can make an argument that both Cheney and Gabbard have sacrificed their careers in their parties to a) prevent Trump from running and b) to prevent a nuclear existential threat?

What’s their end game? To hurt the party they grew up in? Why?

Does Liz Cheney have a list of principled stances she's taken against her party the last decade? I can't speak as a multi millionaire or someone who married into extreme wealth, but I'm sure it's much easier to sacrifice your career when you're in that position. I do know it's very easy for me to walk away in disgust of things going on around me when it doesn't impact my living standards at all.

 

[HALL85]

Does Liz Cheney have a list of principled stances she's taken against her party the last decade? I can't speak as a multi millionaire or someone who married into extreme wealth, but I'm sure it's much easier to sacrifice your career when you're in that position. I do know it's very easy for me to walk away in disgust of things going on around me when it doesn't impact my living standards at all.

If you read her background, she is steadfast in her positions as a neo-conservative, so she has disagreed with some moderate Republicans. I agree that she will have a very soft landing with no political path for office. Seems like a candidate for a State Department role, RNC or lobbyist.

 

[Merge]

Playing a game or principled? You can make an argument that both Cheney and Gabbard have sacrificed their careers in their parties to a) prevent Trump from running and b) to prevent a nuclear existential threat?

What’s their end game? To hurt the party they grew up in? Why?

Not really. Liz sacrificed her political career while in office. Tulsi did not and is making her next career path with this move.

also, you are severely exaggerating her impact on a nuclear threat.

 

[Merge]

She's playing the same game that got Liz Cheney a bunch of attention from Democrats. All politicians are playing a game every second of the day. They're playing games when they remain silent and when they speak. Topics like the filibuster much needed during these 2 years, but after the next election it might not be such a necessity anymore and vice versa to the other party. They spend more time playing the game than actually helping people.

Exactly. They all play games. Just saying this wasn’t some brave move by Tulsi. She’s still playing the game.

 

[HALL85]

Not really. Liz sacrificed her political career while in office. Tulsi did not and is making her next career path with this move.

also, you are severely exaggerating her impact on a nuclear threat.

What are you talking about? I’m not exaggerating her impact. I doubt her words will have much impact on changing views, but she is speaking up and articulating a position that is supported by many Europeans.

What’s Gabbards next move?

 

[Merge]

What are you talking about? I’m not exaggerating her impact. I doubt her words will have much impact on changing views, but she is speaking up and articulating a position that is supported by many Europeans.

What’s Gabbards next move?

Right. Her opinion may be the same as others but the impact of her opinion is pretty much zero. Your b scenario seems a bit over the top.

If I’m her, I’m continuing to build a brand through the podcast. Cash in on the anti-democrat sentiment and wait for the right opportunity to jump back into the national spotlight as an independent or on a Republican ticket.

 

[HALL85]

Right. Her opinion may be the same as others but the impact of her opinion is pretty much zero. Your b scenario seems a bit over the top.

Once again, I was making no claims about the impact of her opinion…you seem fixated on a point I didn’t raise.

If I’m her, I’m continuing to build a brand through the podcast. Cash in on the anti-democrat sentiment and wait for the right opportunity to jump back into the national spotlight as an independent or on a Republican ticket.

 

[cernjSHU]

You found one irrelevant republican to support your Hilary conspiracy theory. Then in true Cern fashion you declare that anyone who does not agree with this is Pro-Putin.

Please explain your logic that concludes that because someone thinks the Gabbard Pro-Putin claims are suspect that in turn makes them Pro-Putin.

The claim that she is pro-Putin is the result of her statements that NATO policy and actions contributed to the conflict. She never said the war was justified.

BTW, here is one of her Pro-Putin Tweets (LOL):

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You people are hypocrites or idiots. yes the U.S. is just like Russia In terms of freedom of speech. Keep thinking she is nothing but an idiot.

Tulsi Gabbard falsely claimed the US is ‘not so different’ from Russia on freedom of speech - Poynter

There are no parallels to Russia's speech crackdowns in the US, where freedom of speech, expression and the press are safeguarded by the Constitution.

www.poynter.org

Tulsi Gabbard And Tucker Carlson Featured In Stunning Exchange On Russian TV

A state TV host said the former presidential candidate was a Russian agent, according to Russian media analyst Julia Davis.

news.yahoo.com

 

[HALL85]

Thanks for the trademarked rant….

 

[Merge]

Once again, I was making no claims about the impact of her opinion…you seem fixated on a point I didn’t raise.

You said one could argue she sacrificed her career to prevent a nuclear existential threat.

That’s ridiculous.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

What are you talking about? I’m not exaggerating her impact. I doubt her words will have much impact on changing views, but she is speaking up and articulating a position that is supported by many Europeans.

What’s Gabbards next move?

Her podcast, top 10 this week

 

[HALL85]

You said one could argue she sacrificed her career to prevent a nuclear existential threat.

That’s ridiculous.

She has left the party so she can’t go back. So you think she’ll flip to a Republican and miraculously run in two years?

 

[Merge]

She has left the party so she can’t go back. So you think she’ll flip to a Republican and miraculously run in two years?

Didn’t say 2 years. I said she will build up her brand and wait for the right opportunity. Also didn’t say she would run as a Republican but that I could see her joining a Republican ticket as a “unity” pick.

Not saying that will happen. For now she will just enjoy making a podcast.

 

[Pirata]

You people are hypocrites or idiots.

You could not explain your logic when and your response is to call people names.

Kinda childish.

 

[Pirata]

Tulsi Gabbard falsely claimed the US is ‘not so different’ from Russia on freedom of speech - Poynter

There are no parallels to Russia's speech crackdowns in the US, where freedom of speech, expression and the press are safeguarded by the Constitution.

www.poynter.org

"playing a clip from ABC’s “The View,” when a host suggested that Gabbard and Fox News host Tucker Carlson should be federally investigated for “shilling” for Russian President Vladimir Putin. "

So now you saying that the DOJ takes in prosecutorial cues from The View.

You are really out there dude.

 

[Pirata]

If you don't think that free speech is being suppressed in the United States, then your head is in the sand.

Do you think Elon Musk is buying Twitter for shits and grins?

Obviously the suppression not on a par with what Russia does, but it is being suppressed nonetheless.

 

[Merge]

If you don't think that free speech is being suppressed in the United States, then your head is in the sand.

Do you think Elon Musk is buying Twitter for shits and grins?

Obviously the suppression not on a par with what Russia does, but it is being suppressed nonetheless.

I think we can agree that we have not been able to figure out how companies can regulate speech or even if they should. But comparing us to what is happening in Russia is absolutely ridiculous. We’re no where remotely close to being as bad as Russia.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I think we can agree that we have not been able to figure out how companies can regulate speech or even if they should. But comparing us to what is happening in Russia is absolutely ridiculous. We’re no where remotely close to being as bad as Russia.

We just had a poster here create a Kancel Kanye thread. The fact we look to cancel people with cancel culture for their freedom of speech says we're closer to Russia than we should ever be. That's the mentality of a lot of people in this country right now and it's not good. Everybody should have a right to disagree and not support certain things, but canceling everyone we disagree with is scary.

 

[Merge]

We just had a poster here create a Kancel Kanye thread. The fact we look to cancel people with cancel culture for their freedom of speech says we're closer to Russia than we should ever be. That's the mentality of a lot of people in this country right now and it's not good. Everybody should have a right to disagree and not support certain things, but canceling everyone we disagree with is scary.

Kanye is free to say whatever crazy stuff he wants, but that doesn't mean that companies are required to provide him a platform to do so. He has freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequence.

You can't expect to tweet out "Death con 3 on Jewish people" and come out of that without consequence.
That isn't cancelling someone because people disagree with him. That is a company deciding that there is over the line of what they want to allow on their platform. I'm not suggesting "cancel culture" is a good thing. We should be able to understand differences of opinion more than we do. Not sheading a tear for Kanye though. He is batshit crazy.

Putin signed a law for sentences up to 15 years if you distribute "fake news" about the Russian Military and three years for saying that Russia should not be fighting Ukraine.

We are not remotely close to Russia.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Kanye is free to say whatever crazy stuff he wants, but that doesn't mean that companies are required to provide him a platform to do so. He has freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequence.

You can't expect to tweet out "Death con 3 on Jewish people" and come out of that without consequence.
That isn't cancelling someone because people disagree with him. That is a company deciding that there is over the line of what they want to allow on their platform. I'm not suggesting "cancel culture" is a good thing. We should be able to understand differences of opinion more than we do. Not sheading a tear for Kanye though. He is batshit crazy.

Putin signed a law for sentences up to 15 years if you distribute "fake news" about the Russian Military and three years for saying that Russia should not be fighting Ukraine.

We are not remotely close to Russia.

That line moves at will when they want to move it and based on who is saying the comment. Jack Posobiec didn't have the same issue with these platforms.

 

[Merge]

That line moves at will when they want to move it and based on who is saying the comment.

That makes sense. Of course these platforms would consider magnitude with how they monitor their content.

Jack Posobiec didn't have the same issue with these platforms.

No idea what you're referring to there.

 

[Pirata]

The fact we look to cancel people with cancel culture for their freedom of speech says we're closer to Russia than we should ever be.

Exactly. Well said.

 

[HALL85]

We cancel comedians for jokes they told ten years ago (that were perfectly acceptable at the time), Condi Rice gets cancelled from speaking at RU’s commencement. And that type of canceling has escalated. No one is comparing us to Russia, but these trends should be concerning.

 

[Merge]

No one is comparing us to Russia

Tulsi did. It was a ridiculous thing for her to say.

No one has claimed we are perfect here, but we are no where remotely close to Russia.

 

[HALL85]

Tulsi did. It was a ridiculous thing for her to say.

No one has claimed we are perfect here, but we are no where remotely close to Russia.

I believe she used Russia as a comparison as to where we are heading.

And please, politicians don’t embellish? I recall several politicians claiming the world would end if we didn’t pass the Green New Deal.

 

[Pirata]

We have learned by now that all comments by others are taken literally.

For their statements, we must accept nuance and figurative comparisons.

 

[Merge]

I believe she used Russia as a comparison as to where we are heading.

Right. She did.

On a network which wouldn't exist in Russia in an interview where both her and the host would have been imprisoned and tortured for that interview.

And please, politicians don’t embellish? I recall several politicians claiming the world would end if we didn’t pass the Green New Deal.

and if you'd recall, when that was discussed on this board, I said the comment by AOC was stupid.

But the enemy of your enemy is your friend so you just can't bring yourself to say that Tulsi said something stupid.

 

[HALL85]

Right. She did.

On a network which wouldn't exist in Russia in an interview where both her and the host would have been imprisoned and tortured for that interview.

Keep going down that rabbit hole…using an extreme situation to compare where we are heading…

and if you'd recall, when that was discussed on this board, I said the comment by AOC was stupid.

But the enemy of your enemy is your friend so you just can't bring yourself to say that Tulsi said something stupid.

Because it was stupid because the world isn’t wending. Voicing a concern of a troubling trend and comparing it to an actual extreme is embellishing a point. I’m sure you understand the difference.

 

[SHUSA]

tulsi is just pandering

 

[Merge]

Keep going down that rabbit hole…using an extreme situation to compare where we are heading…

We're not heading towards Russia. Things ebb and flow.
We used to put comedians in jail for obscenity because culturally we were not in a place where we knew how to respond to that type of material. Now we are in a place where we don't know how to regulate the internet. We'll figure it out but it is not going to resemble Russia when we do.

Voicing a concern of a troubling trend and comparing it to an actual extreme is embellishing a point. I’m sure you understand the difference.

What's funny is that you are acting like you didn't call the world ending stuff to be nonsense.
You didn't find nuance in people embellishing something to make a point... Yet, you do in this example.
Wonder why that is....

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Tulsi Gabbard, Democrat 5 Minutes Ago, is Now Endorsing Kari Lake and Reportedly Calling Biden Hitler

It's only been a week since Tulsi Gabbard announced her departure from the Democrats but she's already making her break with the party as complete as possible.

www.mediaite.com

This completes the heel turn

 

[shu09]

Tulsi Gabbard, Democrat 5 Minutes Ago, is Now Endorsing Kari Lake and Reportedly Calling Biden Hitler

It's only been a week since Tulsi Gabbard announced her departure from the Democrats but she's already making her break with the party as complete as possible.

www.mediaite.com

This completes the heel turn

It's funny how the media paints every Republican as "far-right." Why don't they do the same with Democrats? Interesting, but no surprise in the world of left wing media bias.

 

[HALL85]

We're not heading towards Russia. Things ebb and flow.
We used to put comedians in jail for obscenity because culturally we were not in a place where we knew how to respond to that type of material. Now we are in a place where we don't know how to regulate the internet. We'll figure it out but it is not going to resemble Russia when we do.

Once again you missed the point…

What's funny is that you are acting like you didn't call the world ending stuff to be nonsense.
You didn't find nuance in people embellishing something to make a point... Yet, you do in this example.
Wonder why that is....

The world ending was an embellishment AND stupid…happy?

 

[Pirata]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337412038_Hyperbole_as_a_Persuasion_Tool_in_Political_Discourse_The_Case_of_British_Politicians'_Speech

 

[Merge]

Once again you missed the point…

Not really. The point is clear.
Tulsi said something stupid but you're forgiving of the stupidity because it is an embellishment of a problem you agree with. When it is a problem which you do not agree with, you are not so forgiving.

 

[Merge]

It's funny how the media paints every Republican as "far-right." Why don't they do the same with Democrats? Interesting, but no surprise in the world of left wing media bias.

Fair criticism but I've seen many dems labeled as far left. Probably more so during primaries overall though.

For example:

The far left looks to seize one of the most prominent political jobs in the country

The latest iteration of the movement will face its first citywide test.

www.politico.com

A new wave of far-left candidates out to oust old-guard Democrats

A new generation of liberal Democrats is entering the political arena with a rush of candidates looking to oust the party’s old guard this year.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[HALL85]

Not really. The point is clear.
Tulsi said something stupid but you're forgiving of the stupidity because it is an embellishment of a problem you agree with. When it is a problem which you do not agree with, you are not so forgiving.

Now you’re being silly and just want to be argumentative.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Tulsi Gabbard Tells Fox News Democrats ‘Are Against Democracy’ Immediately After Rallying for Election-Denier Kari Lake

Tulsi Gabbard said Democrats "are against democracy," which is why she decided to attend a rally for Kari Lake, who rejected the results of the 2020 election.

www.mediaite.com