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Didn't want to derail the seeding thread, but wanted to expand on this. I generally agree with @SHUSA take on working. It's necessary, but there is far more to life than it. Wanted to get the opinions of others on it.

For instance, my goal is to retire as early as possible. I have to work to make that money, but I don't want to be working when I'm 55/60+ years old. Even earlier if possible. I work to earn money to have the life that makes me comfortable, I don't work for the sake of working. One of the questions I despise when I meet someone new is, "so, what do you do?" Inside I always feel like saying it's none of your business (LOL) and work does not define me. I simply work to earn money but I'm defined by what I do outside of the office.
Lol. So 55 is old?? Damn. I can tell you that it’s not. And it comes quickly.

Retirement is a deeply personal and individual goal. However, the earlier you retire, the less years you have your investment grow. And the longer your retirement money has to last.

Questions that are important are What kind of annual income can you live on now? What can you live on without working ? What do you want to live on in retirement.

Then you can work backwards from there.
Invest early and keep investing. Investing $5000 a year for the next 35 years will get you 1.1 million. Time is the important thing to grow ur money.

I am entering a transition time in my life. I will be leaving my current job within 6 months. I want to retire in the next 6 years or so. I want to retire on at least double my current salary a year. So that is my goal. The start of this year has not been good with keeping with my goal. However, as a long time investor, the ups and downs of the market are like this.
 
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but FSA is use it or lose it. "healthy" is obviously a catch all term. i will visit the docs for structural injury this year, endoscopy, at the very least. my 1.5k deductible will be met easy. i have no PPO options. and i went with the more premium plan. an endoscopy is like $10k pre insurance. coinsursnce helps, but the best plans are the self funded plans where outpatient can be a copay of $150.

so, HSAs are great. but are they great if you intend on having to use the hdhp theyre attached to?

Yeah. I maxed out my contributions the last 3-4 years and ended up spending all of it each year.
Wasn't really planning on using it all but certainly glad it was there.
 
Yeah. I maxed out my contributions the last 3-4 years and ended up spending all of it each year.
Wasn't really planning on using it all but certainly glad it was there.
thanks for the perspective. do you think it would have been better to have a PPO in that case? i suspect so. if ur not saving the HSA the benefit sort of goes away. plus, not even sure how it works when a family is involved. can basically guarantee u have to use all of those funds.
 
Lol. So 55 is old?? Damn. I can tell you that it’s not. And it comes quickly.

Retirement is a deeply personal and individual goal. However, the earlier you retire, the less years you have your investment grow. And the longer your retirement money has to last.

Questions that are important are What kind of annual income can you live on now? What can you live on without working ? What do you want to live on in retirement.

Then you can work backwards from there.
Invest early and keep investing. Investing $5000 a year for the next 35 years will get you 1.1 million. Time is the important thing to grow ur money.

I am entering a transition time in my life. I will be leaving my current job within 6 months. I want to retire in the next 6 years or so. I want to retire on at least double my current salary a year. So that is my goal. The start of this year has not been good with keeping with my goal. However, as a long time investor, the ups and downs of the market are like this.
damn, double your salary! hope everything goes well enough to cash in on it all!
 
thanks for the perspective. do you think it would have been better to have a PPO in that case? i suspect so. if ur not saving the HSA the benefit sort of goes away. plus, not even sure how it works when a family is involved. can basically guarantee u have to use all of those funds.

Really depends honestly. My firm stopped offering PPO plans a few years ago but before they stopped I made an excel and compared our PPO against the two high deductible plans based on low / moderate and high usage. We found it made sense for us to get the cheapest plan with the highest deductible because my firm had a higher HSA match for that plan.

There is a range of usage that it will make more sense to get a different plan.
 
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Running models and scenarios is the best thing you can do.

You make your best guess on likelihoods of events and then make the most sensible choice.

55 is not old.

Cern's point about retiring being personal is wise.

You have to do what's right for you.
 
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You have to do what's right for you.
again, the biggest problem people face is that they do not know how to define "whats right for you" . its a cop out statement. even people with a plan might have never really given a thought to all of the possibilities.
 
Lol. So 55 is old?? Damn. I can tell you that it’s not. And it comes quickly.

Retirement is a deeply personal and individual goal. However, the earlier you retire, the less years you have your investment grow. And the longer your retirement money has to last.

Questions that are important are What kind of annual income can you live on now? What can you live on without working ? What do you want to live on in retirement.

Then you can work backwards from there.
Invest early and keep investing. Investing $5000 a year for the next 35 years will get you 1.1 million. Time is the important thing to grow ur money.

I am entering a transition time in my life. I will be leaving my current job within 6 months. I want to retire in the next 6 years or so. I want to retire on at least double my current salary a year. So that is my goal. The start of this year has not been good with keeping with my goal. However, as a long time investor, the ups and downs of the market are like this.
55 isn’t old, but for me it’s too old to have to work. The goal for me is to save and invest enough money to be free from the requirement of work as early as possible.
I may continue working after I get there, but I want the freedom to decide. I agree very much with your statement about the time passing quickly, which is why I feel this way.
 
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55 isn’t old, but for me it’s too old to have to work. The goal for me is to save and invest enough money to be free from the requirement of work as early as possible.
I may continue working after I get there, but I want the freedom to decide. I agree very much with your statement about the time passing quickly, which is why I feel this way.
55 isn’t old but for a lot of people they are getting close to the point they can’t enjoy the trips they want to take. It’s much easier to walk the hills of Italy at 55 than doing it at 65-70. Personally I want to work til the day I die but 15-20 hours per week. I love listening to the old timers at my barber shop. Many of them are people who worked their whole lives and became miserable when they retired. I will probably take up tennis because max out with golf after 9 holes. I can’t get excited for 4+ hours on the golf course.
 
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again, the biggest problem people face is that they do not know how to define "whats right for you" . its a cop out statement. even people with a plan might have never really given a thought to all of the possibilities.

fwiw, A few of my advisees asked which of our plans I would recommend. They are usually out of college and this is their first time picking a plan. I would ask if they use a lot of healthcare and if they get sick and need to pay 6k out of pocket would it be a problem for them.

The answers have usually been not really to both.
My recommendation has been to get our cheapest plan with the highest deductible but that they should at minimum put the difference between the two plans into an HSA account, and if they can afford to add more, they should put as much into the HSA plan as they can. They can always change the contribution amount later if they need to but building up a tax free safety net for healthcare costs later in life would be huge.

If you have a health condition and the costs are relatively predictable, It might make sense to get the more expensive plan for the lower deductible but really should model that out against the premiums / what they can contribute to the HSA and tax benefits.
 
fwiw, A few of my advisees asked which of our plans I would recommend. They are usually out of college and this is their first time picking a plan. I would ask if they use a lot of healthcare and if they get sick and need to pay 6k out of pocket would it be a problem for them.

The answers have usually been not really to both.
My recommendation has been to get our cheapest plan with the highest deductible but that they should at minimum put the difference between the two plans into an HSA account, and if they can afford to add more, they should put as much into the HSA plan as they can. They can always change the contribution amount later if they need to but building up a tax free safety net for healthcare costs later in life would be huge.

If you have a health condition and the costs are relatively predictable, It might make sense to get the more expensive plan for the lower deductible but really should model that out against the premiums / what they can contribute to the HSA and tax benefits.
my comment wasnt referring to healthcare. it was referring to retirement.
 
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55 isn’t old but for a lot of people they are getting close to the point they can’t enjoy the trips they want to take. It’s much easier to walk the hills of Italy at 55 than doing it at 65-70. Personally I want to work til the day I die but 15-20 hours per week. I love listening to the old timers at my barber shop. Many of them are people who worked their whole lives and became miserable when they retired. I will probably take up tennis because max out with golf after 9 holes. I can’t get excited for 4+ hours on the golf course.

I'm in the same boat. I get bored really easily so I assume I will be working somewhere into my 70's. My father is the same. He retired at 70 and has been a consultant with his old company for the last 2 years 3 days a week working from home. Something like that seems ideal to me as long as there is plenty of flexibility for travel.
 
55 isn’t old but for a lot of people they are getting close to the point they can’t enjoy the trips they want to take. It’s much easier to walk the hills of Italy at 55 than doing it at 65-70. Personally I want to work til the day I die but 15-20 hours per week. I love listening to the old timers at my barber shop. Many of them are people who worked their whole lives and became miserable when they retired. I will probably take up tennis because max out with golf after 9 holes. I can’t get excited for 4+ hours on the golf course.
I had this conversation with a financial advisor several years ago when discussing retirement. I told him I thought we needed to have as much income if not more, in retirement each year that we have now...and he said "no you don't"...suggesting more like 70-75% (which once again depends on your standard of living). But we think we are going to spend more in retirement because we have all that free time, but we really don't. We also talked about travel and if you do retire at 65, you really have about 15 years of travel in you, because getting on a plane to Europe, walking up hills, hikes, etc. will be harder....just dealing with an airport at 80 is not easy. That kind of reinforced enjoying the journey rather than just waiting for retirement.

Having a plan should not be overwhelming if you go into it with the expectation that plans change. There are things you can do that have been mentioned in your 20's and 30's that will give you a strong foundation as your plans change. Make a budget and live to it as best you can each year; max your 401k contributions; if you have children, put aside money even if it's $1,000 or 2,000 each year into a 529 or similar instrument; etc. As you go through life and closer to retirement, your plan gets clearer although never perfect. But you also need to enjoy the journey. Make a list each year or a five year plan of what you want to accomplish (new car, trip to Europe, etc.).

I get involved with a lot of entrepreneurs that started a business or second, third generation. They love what they do and can enjoy the journey at the same time. They have a term called "dying in the chair" because that company defines them. Ten years ago, I was convinced I would retire at 65, but I have a different view now. It's not about the money, but being involved in things that are exciting to wake up to each morning and have a purpose to go with the fun stuff. Will miss too much of that (at least as of now.)
 
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I had this conversation with a financial advisor several years ago when discussing retirement. I told him I thought we needed to have as much income if not more, in retirement each year that we have now...and he said "no you don't"...suggesting more like 70-75% (which once again depends on your standard of living). But we think we are going to spend more in retirement because we have all that free time, but we really don't. We also talked about travel and if you do retire at 65, you really have about 15 years of travel in you, because getting on a plane to Europe, walking up hills, hikes, etc. will be harder....just dealing with an airport at 80 is not easy. That kind of reinforced enjoying the journey rather than just waiting for retirement.

Having a plan should not be overwhelming if you go into it with the expectation that plans change. There are things you can do that have been mentioned in your 20's and 30's that will give you a strong foundation as your plans change. Make a budget and live to it as best you can each year; max your 401k contributions; if you have children, put aside money even if it's $1,000 or 2,000 each year into a 529 or similar instrument; etc. As you go through life and closer to retirement, your plan gets clearer although never perfect. But you also need to enjoy the journey. Make a list each year or a five year plan of what you want to accomplish (new car, trip to Europe, etc.).

I get involved with a lot of entrepreneurs that started a business or second, third generation. They love what they do and can enjoy the journey at the same time. They have a term called "dying in the chair" because that company defines them.
I agree you do have to enjoy the journey getting there. But retirement is important that most people just don't plan or save for until it is too late to have compound interest do its amazing thing.

I agree with that you will need more money in retirement. I know standard financial advice is that you will need somewhere 65 to 75 %. But I have to disagree with that. And it all depends on your lifestyle and what you want to do. I want to continue living in my house. I want a winter place on the beach in Florida. I want to travel the world. I want my expensive EV.

In my situation, I gave up making big salary for other things. The love of my work being the primary reason. However, I also had in the back of my mind that I will receive a good pension and health care benefits for life. I knew if I could make good investments, I can get where I wanted to be. Life is a series of choices. But, investing early is just the right choice for everyone.
 
A few of my thoughts:

1) Try to do work that you like and is interesting to you. It would be great to do what you love but short of that, do something that does not cause you undue stress and anxiety. I've been the a few times and it sucks!!! Money is great but it it isn't everything,

"Don't let Monday morning ruin your Sunday night."

2) As for retirement, think about healthcare costs/healthcare insurance. That is one of the main reasons I can't retire until I'm 65 and Medicare kicks in. No way I could retire now and pay my own healthcare until then.
 
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55 isn’t old but for a lot of people they are getting close to the point they can’t enjoy the trips they want to take. It’s much easier to walk the hills of Italy at 55 than doing it at 65-70. Personally I want to work til the day I die but 15-20 hours per week. I love listening to the old timers at my barber shop. Many of them are people who worked their whole lives and became miserable when they retired. I will probably take up tennis because max out with golf after 9 holes. I can’t get excited for 4+ hours on the golf course.
It sounds like you know what you want, which is great. Retirement doesn't have to be golf and cruises and 4:00 dinners at the Outback. If working makes you happy, keep working. Personally, I plan to spend 1-2 years becoming a low handicap (which requires a lot of time and might not be possible if I wait until 50+). The rest of my free time will be filled with other things I enjoy. I fully anticipate boredom creeping in, at which point I'll find something else to do. If that's work, so be it.

The key, for me, is the freedom to do what you want without needing a paycheck.
 
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I agree you do have to enjoy the journey getting there. But retirement is important that most people just don't plan or save for until it is too late to have compound interest do its amazing thing.
Exactly, which is why maxing out your 401K as soon as you start working is the best advice.
I agree with that you will need more money in retirement. I know standard financial advice is that you will need somewhere 65 to 75 %. But I have to disagree with that. And it all depends on your lifestyle and what you want to do. I want to continue living in my house. I want a winter place on the beach in Florida. I want to travel the world. I want my expensive EV.
Agree. it depends on lifestyle. We recently downsized and moved to PA (work, quality of life...the savings were a bonus). Loving the restaurant options, benefits of a university town, recreation, etc....and little house maintenance). We are all different. In our case, don't want to be encumbered with a second home; we like the flexibility to go to different places because our interests and needs change over time. For instance, we've been renting a summer house on LBI the last few years and inviting our kids/families. Some things are traditions, but don't want to have the burden/stress of another property, when I could go rent it or something different. And we always want our kids to have an option depending on their work and family needs. Learned something from my late father-in-law years ago. He was a lifetime Prudential life insurance salesman....thought it was more important to collect memories rather than things. Don't own art, jewelry, etc. in fact my most prized possession (value) is a seat from Yankee Stadium, I disassembled and put in a display that I took at their last game in 1974.
In my situation, I gave up making big salary for other things. The love of my work being the primary reason. However, I also had in the back of my mind that I will receive a good pension and health care benefits for life. I knew if I could make good investments, I can get where I wanted to be. Life is a series of choices. But, investing early is just the right choice for everyone.
 
55 isn’t old, but for me it’s too old to have to work. The goal for me is to save and invest enough money to be free from the requirement of work as early as possible.
I may continue working after I get there, but I want the freedom to decide. I agree very much with your statement about the time passing quickly, which is why I feel this way.

This!!! It's all about having the freedom to do what you want rather than be tied to a 9-5.
 
It sounds like you know what you want, which is great. Retirement doesn't have to be golf and cruises and 4:00 dinners at the Outback. If working makes you happy, keep working. Personally, I plan to spend 1-2 years becoming a low handicap (which requires a lot of time and might not be possible if I wait until 50+). The rest of my free time will be filled with other things I enjoy. I fully anticipate boredom creeping in, at which point I'll find something else to do. If that's work, so be it.

The key, for me, is the freedom to do what you want without needing a paycheck.
sounds like im the minority saying no chance i want to go BACK to working. sounds like the people who get bored have no imagination.

lota of places to see, skills to learn, people to see, things to experience. even just outside the door. one thing i cant stop wondering: am i even going to live long enough to get there?
 
This!!! It's all about having the freedom to do what you want rather than be tied to a 9-5.
Most of us like that freedom, but it's intimidating to some. This may not apply to you yet, but it's just not the 9-5 and having the money. I have found that as you get older, you also want to have control over how you want your retirement story to go. Had a friend that worked his entire life for TI, and did really well. When he turned 62 he was getting tired of the grind and over a beer I asked him what would be a win if they approached him with an exit plan. The next year, he got exactly that (and a little more). Didn't have to go back to work, but the way it ended really gnawed at him. He was given the package on Thursday and had to clear out the next day. His career with the company ended in 24 hours.

Although he didn't need the money, one of his clients was a family business where the husband had passed suddenly leaving the wife and young son. He worked out a part-time gig to mentor the son, do some BD and provide consulting help...total three days a week. Thought he would do it for a year and now he's entering his fourth year although dialed back to two days. Business is doing great, son is ready to step in and he's loving it. He just needed to write his own story...not have someone else do it for him.
 
sounds like im the minority saying no chance i want to go BACK to working. sounds like the people who get bored have no imagination.

lota of places to see, skills to learn, people to see, things to experience. even just outside the door. one thing i cant stop wondering: am i even going to live long enough to get there?
I would say you are definitely in the minority. I am too. Most of my social circle (I am late 30s with a wife and kids) cannot envision a life without work. In many ways it defines them. I don't think these people have no imagination, our generation has just been conditioned to value work ("get a good education so you can get a good job" "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life") over the pursuit of other things.
 
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....and have enough money to live the way you want to.

You can exist on less than $1,000 month. but you might have to move to Zimbabwe to do so.
Of course. Having a simple life makes the money part much easier.
 
I would say you are definitely in the minority. I am too. Most of my social circle (I am late 30s with a wife and kids) cannot envision a life without work. In many ways it defines them. I don't think these people have no imagination, our generation has just been conditioned to value work ("get a good education so you can get a good job" "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life") over the pursuit of other things.
thats the heart of this thread imo. "what do you want to be when you grow up"

its societal progression. man made constructs.
 
SPK makes a good point above. People who think they're retiring at 55 don't anticipate what it'll cost for healthcare from 55 to 65, social security kicking in (reduced benefit at 62, full retirement at 67 or "bonus" at 71) and how they will draw income in retirement. To Hall85's point, you don't need more income in retirement than when working, though you might be looking at certain outsized expenditures if you have goals of buying a vacation home, certain budget for travel, etc. Remember, if you're saving 13% during your working years, then that's 13% off the top that you don't need in retirement.

The thought of retiring at 55 made a lot more sense when life expectancy was in the 70s. Today, life expectancy (per insurance actuarial tables) for a healthy person could be in the 90s. Retiring at 55 might sound nice, but you cannot touch your qualified funds unless you're following Rule 72T for drawing retirement income early without penalty - otherwise you have to wait to 59 1/2. But even then, there are things you should consider, especially if you have time on your side.

In your 20s/30s - save, save, save (and then save more) - oh, and invest. Open an investment account and a Roth IRA, set a monthly contribution and forget they are there. Buy low cost, high face value term insurance to protect your loved ones, begin funding cash accumulating permanent life insurance while it is very cost effective (also, great tax deferred savings tool that can supplement retirement income, one of the last great tax loopholes). Buy disability insurance while cost effective to protect against extended periods out of work (1-in-4 people will experience a disability event in their lifetime. A 30 year old professional can get $5k tax-free monthly benefit to age 67 for about $3k a year.

In your 40s - begin considering retirement income/asset protection. Long term care, generally better as a hybrid policy. Can use a product based on variable universal life for market exposure and opportunity to build great care leverage (less need to have assets later in life to keep you out of a Medicaid facility). Oh, and save, save, save and invest. People generally don't think about some of these things life long term care until they go through it with a loved one who doesn't have the protection. DO YOUR WILL.

In your 50s - start asking the retirement questions, and how you will meet income needs. Want to retire at 55? If you put together a nice investment portfolio, an annuity in your early 50s could provide lifetime income (think pension) starting earlier. And if non-qualified (i.e. non-retirement) it won't be penalized at 55 if you draw income. Side benefit? When the money runs out, the income does not (if living benefit). If you annuitize, the asset is gone but the income is for life. Didn't think about long term care insurance before, start thinking now before it becomes cost prohibitive (though not impossible).

To me, retirement at 55 doesn't seem all it's cracked up to be, but "semi-retirement" and working on your terms does. Even working limited hours and coming close to breakeven with living expenses is prudent, as that puts off the need to draw on savings. The longer you can delay, the more time to grow.

Whatever you do, have a plan. Talk to a financial advisor. Make sure your financial advisor is a fiduciary. A licensed professional only has an obligation to recommend a suitable product. A fiduciary is obligated to work in your best interest at all times. Ridiculous that there is a distinction. Check your person on brokercheck.org, FINRA's website. They should have both a 7 and a 66 (or 63 and 65). If they are only a "broker" and not an "investment advisor", technically they cannot call themselves a financial advisor though they may. You can also see if they have any disclosures. Disclosures in themselves are not terrible, but only if they are dismissed or found to have no basis. If they are settled, someone formally complained and they were paid out.

Make sure you work with an independent (not only because I am... but). If someone works for a wire house (e.g. Merrill Lynch) or an insurance shop, they have an obligation to sell certain product. Don't buy life insurance from your P&C guy (home/auto), products will be severely limited and they are not a fiduciary. Don't walk into Northwestern Mutual or NY Life or MassMutual and expect anything but an overpriced, whole-life solution. An independent financial advisor will sell you universal life and term, most likely multiple policies (term, permanent protection based and permanent cash accumulating) that will deconstruct a whole life policy and provide a more cost effective, better investment/protection solution. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

Oh, and a fiduciary will help you do your homework. And if not an asshole, will help educate and advise with the goal of building a relationship, not jamming a product down your gullet. If you build the relationship, the sales will come.
 
SPK makes a good point above. People who think they're retiring at 55 don't anticipate what it'll cost for healthcare from 55 to 65, social security kicking in (reduced benefit at 62, full retirement at 67 or "bonus" at 71) and how they will draw income in retirement. To Hall85's point, you don't need more income in retirement than when working, though you might be looking at certain outsized expenditures if you have goals of buying a vacation home, certain budget for travel, etc. Remember, if you're saving 13% during your working years, then that's 13% off the top that you don't need in retirement.

The thought of retiring at 55 made a lot more sense when life expectancy was in the 70s. Today, life expectancy (per insurance actuarial tables) for a healthy person could be in the 90s. Retiring at 55 might sound nice, but you cannot touch your qualified funds unless you're following Rule 72T for drawing retirement income early without penalty - otherwise you have to wait to 59 1/2. But even then, there are things you should consider, especially if you have time on your side.

In your 20s/30s - save, save, save (and then save more) - oh, and invest. Open an investment account and a Roth IRA, set a monthly contribution and forget they are there. Buy low cost, high face value term insurance to protect your loved ones, begin funding cash accumulating permanent life insurance while it is very cost effective (also, great tax deferred savings tool that can supplement retirement income, one of the last great tax loopholes). Buy disability insurance while cost effective to protect against extended periods out of work (1-in-4 people will experience a disability event in their lifetime. A 30 year old professional can get $5k tax-free monthly benefit to age 67 for about $3k a year.

In your 40s - begin considering retirement income/asset protection. Long term care, generally better as a hybrid policy. Can use a product based on variable universal life for market exposure and opportunity to build great care leverage (less need to have assets later in life to keep you out of a Medicaid facility). Oh, and save, save, save and invest. People generally don't think about some of these things life long term care until they go through it with a loved one who doesn't have the protection. DO YOUR WILL.

In your 50s - start asking the retirement questions, and how you will meet income needs. Want to retire at 55? If you put together a nice investment portfolio, an annuity in your early 50s could provide lifetime income (think pension) starting earlier. And if non-qualified (i.e. non-retirement) it won't be penalized at 55 if you draw income. Side benefit? When the money runs out, the income does not (if living benefit). If you annuitize, the asset is gone but the income is for life. Didn't think about long term care insurance before, start thinking now before it becomes cost prohibitive (though not impossible).

To me, retirement at 55 doesn't seem all it's cracked up to be, but "semi-retirement" and working on your terms does. Even working limited hours and coming close to breakeven with living expenses is prudent, as that puts off the need to draw on savings. The longer you can delay, the more time to grow.

Whatever you do, have a plan. Talk to a financial advisor. Make sure your financial advisor is a fiduciary. A licensed professional only has an obligation to recommend a suitable product. A fiduciary is obligated to work in your best interest at all times. Ridiculous that there is a distinction. Check your person on brokercheck.org, FINRA's website. They should have both a 7 and a 66 (or 63 and 65). If they are only a "broker" and not an "investment advisor", technically they cannot call themselves a financial advisor though they may. You can also see if they have any disclosures. Disclosures in themselves are not terrible, but only if they are dismissed or found to have no basis. If they are settled, someone formally complained and they were paid out.

Make sure you work with an independent (not only because I am... but). If someone works for a wire house (e.g. Merrill Lynch) or an insurance shop, they have an obligation to sell certain product. Don't buy life insurance from your P&C guy (home/auto), products will be severely limited and they are not a fiduciary. Don't walk into Northwestern Mutual or NY Life or MassMutual and expect anything but an overpriced, whole-life solution. An independent financial advisor will sell you universal life and term, most likely multiple policies (term, permanent protection based and permanent cash accumulating) that will deconstruct a whole life policy and provide a more cost effective, better investment/protection solution. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

Oh, and a fiduciary will help you do your homework. And if not an asshole, will help educate and advise with the goal of building a relationship, not jamming a product down your gullet. If you build the relationship, the sales will come.
very appreciate if this extremely detailed post. im going to read it a few times. few questions.

is there any courses, training, etc you know of for this stuff? the way you break it down in semi laymens terms is less overwhelming (less lol)

what kind of advisors are you talking about? i know vanguard, fidelity, shwab are all starting personal advisory services (at tiered interaction).

lastly, were heading into a recession where the USD is predicted to collapse and probably no longer be the reserve currency. US as the world superpower time is up. whats in the playbook for that?

again thank you for the time you took to write all that. youre a saint.
 
Fisher Investments, "We make more money when you make more money"

What they don't tell you is that they make money regardless of whether you make or lose money.

They charge 1.25% of your portfolio whether it goes up or down.

As Bill Ray Valentine famously said, "Sounds to me like you guys are a couple of bookies"
 
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Fisher Investments, "We make more money when you make more money"

What they don't tell you is that they make money regardless of whether you make or lose money.

They charge 1.25% of your portfolio whether it goes up or down.

As Bill Ray Valentine famously said, "Sounds to me like you guys are a couple of bookies"
1.25% is a little rich unless it’s an intense relationship, but I certainly have no love for Fisher.

And consider the alternative to fee based. For a smaller investor using mutual funds, is a fee-based approach better than paying 5.75% sales load up front for a class A share and still have a small trail? Of course, you can do it on your own but there are reasons behind retail investors returning roughly 2% annually over a 20 year period vs equity markets of 7%. Individuals are emotional and make emotional trading decisions.

And you couldn’t be more wrong. Couple of bookies make money off the vig… that’s commissions and volume. Traditional brokerage. But to each his own.
 
speaking of teaching kids financial responsibility when theyre young... just saw this on my linkedin feed

"Looking for an at-home program to help your kids learn about financial behavior? We have it: My Home Economy! You can create a simulated economy and help teach your kids financial responsibility, delayed gratification, and the value of earning, saving, and spending."

 
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