Not sure I follow your logic and where age related stats enter in. I’m speaking of raw numbers and there has been a significant increase in mix change (vaccinated/unvaccinated). What determines hospitalization is severity of the symptoms and a patient’s risk factors. If your pulse ox is 85, you’re obese, and having breathing problems, You’re going to be treated as an inpatient whether you are vaccinated or not.
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Does he have an equal concern about people that smoke, drink too much or eat too much. Or is this about being able to watch a basketball game?
That is old info. Very few are being put on ventilators. They are being treated with asthma type steriods and bronchio-dilators. Most who die now are severely compromised. Here's an idea...start using the therapeutics like the monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin and allow doctors to do their jobs instead of following the church of Faucci.
This is turning into an epic thread. Agree that Willard should mandate that all players be vaccinated. Given that SHU already had that mandate for all students attending class, I can only surmise that those unvaccinated have a religious or medical waiver.
The only REAL way to get this season in is to shut everybody out of the men's basketball circle. It may not be the time of their lives, but plenty of time for socializing in April and May.
But what the vax does is mitigate and immensely weaken a virus vs. having unvaccinated hosts around where the virus feasts off. Unvaccinated people allow the virus to strengthen and figure out how to survive.
So when the virus gets passed around by vaxed people and gets stronger with the unvaxed, it’s only a matter of time before all of the crazy variants come out and we start all over again. It is what it is.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Cases by day, hospitalizations, and deaths by day are trending upwards but are all currently lower than they were during the end of the summer. On top of that, the variant that is spreading is believed to be less severe and less deadly. And lastly, the at-risk population is overwhelmingly vaccinated which should prevent severe disease or death for those most vulnerable.
Yet you'd believe that the country is back into the midst of the worst parts of the pandemic based on what is going on. It's going to be a long winter.
Cases by day, hospitalizations, and deaths by day are trending upwards but are all currently lower than they were during the end of the summer. On top of that, the variant that is spreading is believed to be less severe and less deadly. And lastly, the at-risk population is overwhelmingly vaccinated which should prevent severe disease or death for those most vulnerable.
Yet you'd believe that the country is back into the midst of the worst parts of the pandemic based on what is going on. It's going to be a long winter.
Defer to those who study the data on ventilators as I said have not dug in. Very quick news search turns up pages of articles like those below. Are there similar accounts of the opposite?
www.cbs17.com
kgab.com
www.sentinelsource.com
levittownnow.com
www.pennlive.com
100% of COVID patients on ventilators at Duke Health are unvaccinated
Duke Health said the latest figures make it clear that vaccines are the strongest tool in protecting against severe infection.
www.cbs17.com
Ballad: 91% of COVID-19 hospitalizations unvaccinated against virus
JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. (WJHL) — Over 90% of people battling the novel coronavirus in Ballad Health facilities have yet to receive the shots to help build immunity against the virus. Data from the heal…
www.wjhl.com
CRMC COVID-19 Hospitalizations Holding Steady, 80% Unvaccinated
The hospital also lost four patients to COVID-19 between Dec. 6-12, none of whom were vaccinated.
Latest COVID patients are likely to be middle-aged, unvaccinated, hospital finds
The latest COVID-19 surge at Concord Hospital is bringing in patients who are younger than previous surges, more likely to be middle-aged than living in nursing homes, but otherwise it
Officials: West Virginia's rate of unvaccinated COVID patients is rising again in state hospitals
Vaccinations, whether they be initial COVID vaccines, booster shots or flu shots, again took center stage at West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice’s virtual COVID-19 briefing, Tuesday.
www.wboy.com
COVID-19 Hospitalizations Rising In Bucks County, Most Patients Unvaccinated - LevittownNow.com
COVID-19 hospitalizations have risen since the start of this month in Bucks County and most of the patients are unvaccinated.
levittownnow.com
New central Pa. numbers show unvaccinated people still making up bulk of severely ill COVID-19 patients
Doctors say the numbers provide the best argument in favor of getting vaccinated.
Whether it is right or wrong, you can mandate without mandating. My CEO in August basically told us that to come into the office you had to be vaccinated or get tested all the time. On top of that NYC entertainment options for clients started with the vaccine requirement. For what I do for a living, that pushed me over the top to get the vaccine. I wasn’t against it per se, was listening to my doctors, was in a low risk group, and there wasn’t any urgent need for me to get it before others did. But that “mandate” was the final straw that pushed me to get it.
OR, it mutates into a less virulent strain. There were no vaccines in the pandemic in 1918, it just mutated into what we now know as the seasonal flu.
Right, but of course that is true. You need to consider the current census against the entire population of people who are vaccinated or not. If Aiken hits 2 free throws and Ikey hits 2 free throws, would you conclude anything about their efficiency? Wouldn't you need to understand how many shots they took? Same thing here. You need to consider the relative populations before you start saying it's less true that Covid offers protection from sever disease.
I explained the same thing here over the summer when people said the same thing about the data from Israel showing that 60% of their covid hospitalizations were vaccinated. Turned out that the 8% of unvaccinated adults over age 50 represented 40% of sever cases. Being unvaccinated increased the chances of severe disease by 700%.
You actually needed 2 shots of the measles vaccine to get to that number because just one shot was not enough. Also you can’t compare measles to covid. Those are two very different viruses that are not even in the same family.
theres been plenty of reports that show that vax have 60-80% effectiveness of preventing transmission. that # obv plummets as they wear off
i really hope 85 isnt an analyst because hes measuring all the wrong things.
or he should be a marketing analyst like i was once. you can spin anything in your favor. its all semantics behind whats in the denominator.
Nice dodge. Everyone knows the measles vaccine is two doses. But what we also know is you don't need to come back every year for one!
Because comparing hospitalizations to foul shooting percentages is really scientific.
because its not a respiratory virus. are we doing this again with you? youre just trolling. you say this is the flu, guess what , people get a flu shot every year. take a hike on this.
The measles vaccine is not 100% effective and we didn't eliminate measles until we started to mandate getting vaccinated decades after the vaccine was available.
Math is scientific, yes.
You were wrong in saying it is less true that the vaccine offered protection against sever disease because you ignored the denominator regarding the populations you were referring to.
I didn’t say it was more or less virulent. The data isn’t clear yet. But the way a virus takes advantage of unvaxed + unhealthy hosts is going to go on in perpetuity based on how they work. Is there a chance it’ll be passed around looking to strengthen among even the more healthy people in time? We still don’t know.
All I care about is getting back to some semblance of regularity.
It does not matter if you're vaccinated or not, this is happening everywhere. Look at what's going on at Cornell. 97% vaccination rate on the student body. Most of those students also have had their booster shots.
Better to get the team sick with this new variant now, than in March and have to end the season early
Better to get the team sick with this new variant now, than in March and have to end the season early
One thing is for sure. Our health care workers bare the brunt of those who won't get a series of shots. I really resent it because my daughter is an RN and these people put her at continual added risk. And these people rely on those with shots to be there to take care of them when they come down with covid!
Yes on both counts. And, technically, those who are infected are now "boosted," and exempt from testing for 90 days. Let's just hope all the cases are mild ones.
You can also try mouth wash or light in your body
do infections actually count as being booster for things like league protocol or general mandates?
Where I work, yes. If a student or athlete has a positive test, no testing for 90 days. How universal that is, I don't know.
do you wait until a negative test to resume or just 14 days after positive test? i remember elective surgeries you had to test negative. some people had the virus months in advance and still tested positive and werent allowed their surgeries. happened to my brother in law. left his house his first day after 14 day quarantine and shattered his ankle badly in a motorcycle accident. took over a month to get the surgery cause he still tested positive despite showing proof of his initial positive date
Ok fuhrer. Then we must inject them with zee next experimental drug. Then they must v go back to zee cell until called upon.
A month or so ago it was being reported that there were virtually no vaccinated patients that were hospitalized. Now it is ranging from 10 to 50% depending on the hospital. There has not been that significant increase in vaccinations in the last 60 days.
breakthrough infections and hospitalizations are obviously going up. The point I was trying to make is that whether you are vaccinated or not, address your comorbidities, get tested and seek treatment as soon as you are tested.
Did your daughter not think part of her job as an RN would be treating people with infectious diseases? Your daughter also has the option to get vaccinated to protect herself. If she did, what is she worried about?
Maybe your daughter should have tried a different profession if those are the issues you're worried about.
Clearly you have difficulty with reading. I said it is 97% effective. 97 does not equal 100.
"I want to caution the people of our nation about two things:
First: No vaccination program can prevent all cases of the disease against which it is directed. Let us not forget that Dr. Francis reported the polio vaccine as used in the 1954 field trial was found to be 60 to 90 percent--not 100 percent--effective in the field trials last year."
President Dwight D Eisenhower
Can you please stop with your nonsense.
You're just making up your own definition of what a vaccine is though and saying we should call it something else because it doesn't meet whatever threshold you want it to meet.
A vaccine stimulates the production of antibodies against a specific disease. 20%, 50%, 90% whatever.
Again... Of course because the far majority of the adult population is vaccinated.
if 100% of the population was vaccinated then 100% of the census would be vaccinated - That doesn't say anything about the vaccines effectiveness though.
That is all true. Should have just said that instead of including the part about vaccine being less effective.
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