Pirates1991 said:

It’s been stated before, and I will stated again. The downfall, and we are witnessing the downfall of a legendary basketball program, of Seton Hall basketball lies at the feet of Lyons.

His lack of vision or lack of willingness to be ahead of the curve like the rest of the universities, put us in a bad spot then and now there is no path to recovery. This will also lead to the departure of our coach in the next year or so.

Hopefully our new president has great visions for the university from academic perspective as the athletic program will no longer be the focal point

We can all talk about go support that NIL with bake sales and car washes and buy some bad beer and hang out at bunnies but I’ll leave that to the Boy Scouts for their fundraising.

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What’s an athletic director supposed to do? Force 5 star players to come? This is same silly argument as the people saying Mara and Woody should sell the team. As if that will make any difference.

We aren’t able to compete in this environment. In fact, we are and so are others of our ilk on par with the lower level school for various reasons.

1 - lack of money ( it won’t change)
2 - lack of facilities ( it’s too late )

3 - the players we do get are plagued by the new age style of zero iq basketball and can only hoist 3s or barrel to the rim hoping for a foul. I think this is the biggest issue. There is very little diversity among today’s basketball players and it has severely leveled the field. Only true 5 stars are much different

chickenbox said:

Is there an advanced stat for missing the front ends of 1-and-1s? Because we also do that a lot. Which adds to the badness.

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Maybe somewhere out there, idk.

The team is 40/70. Addae-Wusu is 7/15 and Toumi is 3/10!! 💀

3 good reasons why we should believe they can turn this around?

On the larger scale, why does the program operate behind a wall and do nothing to promote the program to the fan base and community at-large? Seems like this year has been the worst in terms of outreach (social media, pogramming, etc).

SHU has always been ridiculously behind most everyone important in college hoops. If anyone thinks our NIL would be at the top or in the middle if we were more aggressive I think they are, if not nuts, then at least wrong. It is not only the admin. It is us. What PJ stepped into was third world. KW practiced in he basement. But the rules helped us keep the rosters steady and some of the coaches were very effective. We have had some great runs. The successes we have had, when compared to my expectations based on my college years, are remarkable.

If someone said ten years ago that based on the money they generate, college players deserve an extra 75K a year along with their scholarship, this board would have been up in arms. But that never happened, and now NIL/pfp/pos is the law of the land, and it is never going to be our friend. Hard for me to see us surviving that paired with free agency.

I was for eliminating the sit out year. I was for paying the players some money. But I was never in favor of the bullshit that has become the rule of the land.

What's wrong with okrafor and is he really the starting center when healthy.
Is there any hope of him coming back?

Will we see Harmon getting the chance to run the point (not just be on the court)?

What can be done to get Dual into the flow? He seems lost on the court. Same could be said of Middleton.

Piratz said:

FT % = 331st (and 47th in rate so important component)

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Is there an advanced stat for missing the front ends of 1-and-1s? Because we also do that a lot. Which adds to the badness.

SHUHoopsFan said:

I don't want to get into any specifics of what players had, but anyone under the delusion of players not getting paid the last 50 years is living under a rock.

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No way, lol. I thought that was just the other teams and coaches we didn't like, not our beloved Hall!!!

chickenbox said:

I don't know. I guess either go with one of the putative PGs and give them the ball / have them direct the offense (not just another positionless guard on the court) or see how Chaunce does as lead guard.

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That said, I get the feeling Sha may view DAW as his only ride or die guy. And if so, feels like he's untouchable and hard to see him not starting regardless of whoever the other four are.

Think about how bad it must be to come up with these rankings over 3 games against the opponents we’ve played:

2PT = 341st
FT % = 331st (and 47th in rate so important component)
Turnover % = 318th
Possession Time = 336th

So we’re slow, highly turnover prone, and can’t make high-percentage shots. Well yeah, look how we play. It looks like a Royal Rumble in the paint.

Staff has to figure out a way to get Dual isolated in the post more against smaller defenders. Richmond was very good at it & I don't think we capitalized on the mismatches nearly enough when he was here. It would definitely open up the offense but the question would still be, could we make the higher % shots.

Right now the majority of the game has the ball in the hands of players who don’t know how to initiate the offense. Assuming we’re calling plays on every possession. Idk what the philosophy is but there’s nothing purposeful. It looks like we’re simply spreading the floor to create a driving lane, but nobody drives them? Guys get the ball on the elbow and get stuck with the shot clock winding down.

And the amount of mindless turnovers occurring at the top of the arc because of this is ridiculous. I think the Sanders 3 to put them up 4 with about 1:30 left came from exactly one of those situations where Jenkins turned it over trying to find an outlet.

chickenbox said:

Question 1: Can Jordan Derkack score points?

Question 2: If so, can he play for us?

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Actually, I forgot Question 0: Who is Jordan Derkack?

SPK145 said:

Seems crazy but who else is there at this juncture?

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I don't know. I guess either go with one of the putative PGs and give them the ball / have them direct the offense (not just another positionless guard on the court) or see how Chaunce does as lead guard.

SHUHoopsFan said:

Will the attendance at Walsh be similar Saturday?

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all that matters is that Felt will be there in a checkered blazer and sha will make excuses

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EXACTLY. His lack of touches is ridiculous

Combinations on the court have to get comfortable with each other. If you are constantly substituting different player you don't have the feel you need to maximize your team performance.

These are not 2-3 star players. Most are used to playing major minutes. What worked at St Peter's will not work at SHU.

Go to an 8 man rotation until you feel it might be best to maybe add another player or two.

The season is already in jeopardy playing most of the roster at various times during the game.

So you think that's the only problem? How about a lack of overall offensive talent & yet again this year, no shooters. For now we can hang our hat on, "we make our foul shots we beat Fordham & Hofstra.". That's not going to be the case in two weeks. This team is going to get humiliated on a consistent basis if the ball is still in Wusu's hands the majority of possessions. Pete Carrill would have loved him.

garyshu71 said:

Sha put his best player by far on the bench for 13 minutes. What the hell is that about?? When the rest of the players are putrid!!! I just don’t get that.

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And no one in the press asked him why?

SHUTAPS76 said:

I know I could easily look this up, but I just want to join the discussion. When was the last time we scored 48 points or less? I am guessing a Saint John’s game from the 1930’s.

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How about 2 years ago when we beat Rutgers 45-43 at the RAC.

SPK145 said:

Seems crazy but who else is there at this juncture?

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His recruits.

Sad but true.