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SPK145 said:

Nobody knows what a full share will be worth yet as the PAC12 doesn't have a new media contract.

Gonzaga’s Move to the Pac-12 Is a Financial and On-the-Court Upgrade

The move clearly positions the Pac-12 as a “best of the rest” conference in basketball, at least on the West Coast.

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Correct. They have no media deal in place - the $15M/team was just a reported estimate. But I was questioning your full share statement. Was it reported that they are getting a full share?

Their thought process might have been with Randy Bennett and Mark Few getting older they need to do something to level up now.

On a side note, if I were a coach/fan in the WCC I would be ecstatic about this news. I couldn't image how disheartening it would be competing in a one bid league (in most years) where you have no realistic shot to compete for a conference championship. Gonzaga did not match the athletic profiles of the WCC schools.

Gonzaga's a great basketball school yes but football drives the bus

dehere23 said:

Every article I’ve ever read from the “experts” on this realignment stuff has Uconn, Nova and St Johns as the targets.

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It's something to worry about but the difference here is that Gonzaga's TV deal was, at least in terms of actual games on national linear TV, was poor compared to what Big East conference members deal with. All of our games were on some combination of Fox Sports, CBS Sports, CBS or ESPN. Their games against big programs and some conference members made it on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS, but many of their other games were on local TV and something called Root sports. I can't imagine that they were satisfied financially with the situation that they found themselves in with the WCC even as the flagship member with all of the aforementioned benefits given to them, so I'm not surprised that they thought that the new Pac-12 with former Pac-12/MWC members would be a better deal even without having specific numbers in hand.

CL82 said:

You have to be creative. Right now it's a full on shooting war for NIL cash.

The Husky Ticket Project, which is a legitimate charity that provides tickets to kids, not an NIL collective, is staging an event with Fanta, Andy Katz, and Rothstein.

Another thing that I've suggested before is take one player, or maybe two, and do a meet and greet at a local restaurant where the restaurant pays the players. That's not game changing money, but it's a way to keep your guys happy, while at the same time, making them more accessible to the fans. Everybody wins.

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Love the idea, but you're not raising $4M on $65/person Bunny's meet and greets.

These events are a lot of fun for the fans but it's beyond delusional to think that these types of events generate what is needed to field a team in today's environment.

Teams are paying these exorbitant salaries off the backs of jumbo donors like Mike Repole, John Tyson, etc.

hallgrad80 said:

The Big. East looks to be a likely target to be raided if a power 5 conference wants to add a school that doesn’t need to have football but does have a major basketball program.. If that does happen UConn and Nova would lead the list of schools to be poached.

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Every article I’ve ever read from the “experts” on this realignment stuff has Uconn, Nova and St Johns as the targets.

SPK145 said:

Full conference payout share even though they don't have football, basically another form of imbalanced revenue share

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and "national schedules" are getting harder to do with mega conferences...

The Big. East looks to be a likely target to be raided if a power 5 conference wants to add a school that doesn’t need to have football but does have a major basketball program.. If that does happen UConn and Nova would lead the list of schools to be poached.

SPK145 said:

One of my favorite players of all-time.

While not crazy that he bet on baseball games, he NEVER bet against his team which is the bright line for me. All players should have to bet on their teams, ie, their salaries should be tied to winning.

He was a real ahole, no argument from me there though.

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Unfortunately, your analogy doesn't completely hold for Rose as he was gambling on his teams as the manager, not a player. A manager trying to win one game, can negatively impact the results of future games.

In recent years I was kind of leaning in support of Pete to HOF, but recently watched the documentary on Rose on Max. Pete came across as a sympathetic figure, but I am back to leaning more to keeping him out of HOF.

silkcitypirate said:

Maybe the scrimmages but not finding other ways to raise NIL money .

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You have to be creative. Right now it's a full on shooting war for NIL cash.

The Husky Ticket Project, which is a legitimate charity that provides tickets to kids, not an NIL collective, is staging an event with Fanta, Andy Katz, and Rothstein.



Another thing that I've suggested before is take one player, or maybe two, and do a meet and greet at a local restaurant where the restaurant pays the players. That's not game changing money, but it's a way to keep your guys happy, while at the same time, making them more accessible to the fans. Everybody wins.

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I can only think he must have pissed in the league off so bad that they just couldn’t get over it but that’s hard to imagine. My gut tells me that the Ohtani scandal is probably much worse and MLB is in a different place ($$$) today and wants to keep it under the rug.

Rose was unique, a winner, a record holder and someone the other team dreaded. He should be in the HOF, but probably more important to our generation than now. More about fantasy league stats than HOF eligibility now.

SPK145 said:

Full conference payout share even though they don't have football, basically another form of imbalanced revenue share

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Is that confirmed? There were early reports of expected revenue share to be about $15M per school. Memphis was skeptical about the report but told Pac12 they will come if they're guaranteed $15M. PAC12 wouldn't guarantee it (because I think we all know that number isn't realistic) so Memphis rejected offer.

SPK145 said:

One of my favorite players of all-time.

While not crazy that he bet on baseball games, he NEVER bet against his team which is the bright line for me. All players should have to bet on their teams, ie, their salaries should be tied to winning.

He was a real ahole, no argument from me there though.

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If you like baseball, you have to like how Pete played. I see Nimmo run to first after a walk and I see Pete doing it in the 60s.

I read that Whitey Ford and The Mick dubbed him Charlie Hustle after a spring training game, kind of as a joke

They turned down Mountain West invite in the past so what changed now? I'm surprised they didn't hold out until 2030/2031 when the next round of conference realignment is expected to happen. This seems like a solution to a non-existent problem.

They had a lot going for them in the WCC - imbalanced revenue share, automatic advance to conf semifinals, 16 game conf schedule to allow for national schedule, strong recruiting, tremendous post season success, etc.

Halldan1 said:

His inclusion in the HOF, now posthumously is a tough call.

My take is if he just bet on baseball maybe there would be hope down the road. But his betting on games he managed and played in is a road too far traveled.

Baseball is understandably worried about illegal influences in the game as regards the public's perception of their gambling money being impacted. And athletes that bet either way on games they played in will not and cannot be tolerated.

Thus a player who should have been a no doubt about it 100% first year entry to the HOF IMO will never get that invite.

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I'm for a scoundrels wing of the HOF. Baseball did nothing to discourage the steroid laden behavior when the game was post strike. It was dead in the water, and the race to 60 and 70 HRs had everyone's attention. I get Rose is different but a wing of Rose, Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Manny, Palmiero, Sosa, Canseco, (add your own- I know I missed some) would be an something. Ignoring it doesn't change that it happened.

Good philosophy. I need to start making more deposits than withdrawals.

Too many celebrities passing away in a short period of time. Didn’t we just lose James Earl Jones and Donald Sutherland? 2024 has been a tough one when it comes to celebrities passing away. Kind of reminds me of 2016. That was another bad year for celebrities. Holding out hope Clint Eastwood is still alive and kickin’ in 2025.

I remember Pete:
Winning rookie of the year
Taking out fosse in the all star game
sweeping the yanks in 76 - tells us, look at these arms...I can reach that porch no problem (watched at least one of those games while a hurricane was blowing as I remember it)
Going after joe d's streak in 77
Big red machine dominating my dodgers
Helping the phils win it all
HOF player but i am glad mlb never caved

It is amazing how much leniency the gambling businesses get with ads. In the context of today, his punishment must seem silly to the younger fans. Can I bet on what gambling ad is the next one I will see?

WOW

I think the biggest victim of the delay is arizona.

SHUHitman said:

I'm not, but certainly aware. How exactly is that relevant though? Should we play the world series at 9am so the elderly can feel nostalgic and still have time for the lunch buffet?

The point made was that growing the fan base and the sport and yet playing playoff games in the middle of the weekday afternoon are not congruent ideologies IMO.

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Make sure it is over by 5 so it doesnt interupt dinner.

4 games today. Only one in prime time. Wish the Mets played later. They can use all the rest they can get.

Do you think 4 prime time games on different channels is the way to go?

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ivyhillparkk1963 said:

You must not be old enough to remember when most playoff and world series were afternoon games..

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I'm not, but certainly aware. How exactly is that relevant though? Should we play the world series at 9am so the elderly can feel nostalgic and still have time for the lunch buffet?

The point made was that growing the fan base and the sport and yet playing playoff games in the middle of the weekday afternoon are not congruent ideologies IMO.