I’m really concerned about the price of players considering SHU going skyhigh now that we totally suck. The risk of playing in a black hole has to come with a premium . I need a miracle.

Sha is struggling in all areas. His whole mentality is contradictory to the new environment and he must've learned the lesson this year that he cannot build a team the way he wants and needs to adjust. This team stinks and is not coached well. Clearly his messaging doesn't connect either. If he hasn't learned that and continues to put his head in the ground and try to control all himself, eventually he'll be back at a school like St. Peter's. We'll be talking about him being our Ewing, Mullin, LaVall Jordan. This season has been an epic disaster for him and really opens questions.

Hey look, HOF caliber coaches realized this early in the NIL age and checked out. Ask our friends from Philly. Every coach goes through this, we'll see how he responds.

But he is not the biggest problem. He is a better coach than the leaders at SHU are leaders. If the school doesn't improve what it's doing, Sha should leave. He's going to kill his career if they cannot get their act together. We had less than a $2M budget. I mean, c'mon.

At least wusu was on bench where was toumi?

HallX2 said:

You think they haven’t? I’ve read here that unfortunately Kurtz is not a sports fan.

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He likes sports and spends tons on Formula 1 and drives cars a lot. That is not a cheap sport to be playing !!! The school is carefully trying to get his attention. So far it’s not resonating.

nutterforthree said:

The Seton Hall job requires you to do more with less- always has, and always will. There is no war chest coming. If Shaheen cannot build a competitive roster at 2 million or whatever, then he needs to go and have someone else try.

If the next guy can't do it, then you try again. It is what it is- we have seen extremely poor results from this coach and an NIT champtionship where teams sat out because they didn't want to play and an elite 8 run at a previous college means nothing at all to me

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With pay to play it’s a tall order that no one will fill. You don’t have the payroll you won’t get the talent. This isn’t facilities it is the greatest of all forces: pay me.

King of S said:

Isn’t the Crowd Strike guy a SHU alumni? Who’s reaching out to him?

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You think they haven’t? I’ve read here that unfortunately Kurtz is not a sports fan.

shupat08 said:

No one from NJ/NY. But none of them are "pirates" they are mercenaries looking for a chump who will pay them more than the last chump.

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That too. Sickening

Sha is not without blame here. How he and his staff went about roster building and assessing talent is a big issue. I see mid-major guards routinely dominating ours, for example.

But I agree the school's leadership got us into this mess. They had no plan in place and actively worked against embracing NIL. For years we've been sitting here lamenting the fact that SHU was doing nothing. No communication on NIL, no marketing, nothing. It took Eric Liebler volunteering to get them moving and then our fellow poster Mike Walsh here doing fan support. Willard knew this. That's how you go from being a program coming off 7 years with 6 NCAA Tournament teams without a losing conference record to the worst team in 40+ years in the span of 3 years.

*narrator voice* it was indeed not addition by subtraction

They had enough money to build a practice facility so they aren’t drawing completely dead. The problem is that 90% of this board knew NIL was the wave of the future, not facilities, and the school didn’t seem to realize it. They bucked NIL until the very last minute.

They need to sit down and find an edge with rev sharing. I don’t know what that edge is, but that’s where their brains need to be.

Watching those st johns fans if that didnt piss you off as as a pirate player than who needs you. Then I think we have no one on the roster from ny/nj metro area. That's a huge issue in itself..

It's a terrible basketball team that keeps setting new lows. The Blaney Years would be a significant improvement. The worst teams under Orr would manhandle this group. Heck, even Willard's worst team was significantly better than this. We're seeing historical ineptitude here. This team is not coached well either, the staff is being served some humble pie.

What a moment to lose by 30+ and have the pocket of St. John's fans chanting Kadary Richmond. Infuriating, embarrassing, but this is what we are right now.

Does Sha realize what this team would look like without Isaiah? Sometimes I think Sha is delusionally confident and stubborn in himself that he will never figure this out

SHUSA said:

he said that because he knows our resources are trash. but now, its 100% about the resource of money. our worst resource. checks out.

perhaps we just, wait for it, have no money...

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We’ve never had money is the point

Plus the new transfer rules has killed us

hallgrad80 said:

We can talk forever about how poor a position we find ourselves in both from a talent , coaching position and how minuscule our. NIL position is but what I don’t see is how do we rectify our shortcomings or is that currently not doable.

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you need a coach who is tied in with someone or some company. Counting on the SHU faithful is a failed strategy in this market.

hallgrad80 said:

We can talk forever about how poor a position we find ourselves in both from a talent , coaching position and how minuscule our. NIL position is but what I don’t see is how do we rectify our shortcomings or is that currently not doable.

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The school just spent $50 million on a facility. Big East bsketball is our greatest asset and part of our core identity. At Seton Hall, as sad as it sounds, this season may be just what is needed to wake everyone up and move forward.

It doesn't take 10,000 people. It takes a few very wealthy alumni, supplemented by normal donations. Of course, finding those alumni and convincing them to donate is easier said than done.

HALL85 said:

He took a bullet in the head and went back to doing indoor and outdoor rallies, so the gigantic wussy label doesn’t seem to fit.

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maybe I’m a wussy but I’m not getting up and being taller than the secret service minutes after taking a bullet to the ear.

We can talk forever about how poor a position we find ourselves in both from a talent , coaching position and how minuscule our. NIL position is but what I don’t see is how do we rectify our shortcomings or is that currently not doable.

HallX2 said:

Now if we could get 1000 alums to give $5k each year we’d be in business. So who’s in for that?

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Sounds good, The only problem is you’ve just marketed this out to 200 people, where you getting the other 800 people to buy in

I may have to agree. I know sha is never satisfied bit hes been very ehh about colemans performances.

SHUSA said:

you're getting into a semantics argument now because you have no rebuttle to the real point. last year was a top 1% year in the big east for Shu.

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Top 1%? Do you have any clue what the early 90s looked like. And do you know how historically bad the conference was in comparison to the previous 40 years. It was one of the worst.

Piratz said:

Lmaooo

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Pitino is such an ass.

Burnsly said:

You weren’t a juggernaut the past two seasons until Feb. Lots of time to mesh.

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True, but some of the problems may not be able to be corrected. We are not great at guarding out to the three point line. That's a vulnerability that may lesson, but won't completely go away. We are a good team, and will get better, but I don't think we're good enough to win it all this year.

(Agree with you regarding the 2023 team, which really didn't shine until early figured out how to take advantage of Jackson's strengths while masking his weaknesses. That was some of the best coaching of ever seen. We went from a team that couldn't win to a team that didn't lose.)