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ST. JOHN’S TABLES SETON HALL’S NCAA QUEST IN BET QUARTERFINALS

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DePaul’s ‘worst year ever’ led to Big East March Madness snubs: Marquette’s Shaka Smart


The selection committee released the bracket for the NCAA Men’s Tournament on Sunday and there were certainly some surprises.

The Big East, long known as a powerhouse college basketball conference, got only three teams in the tournament, its fewest since the conference realigned after the 2013 season.

Marquette head coach Shaka Smart attempted to make sense of the lack of Big East in the big dance.

“It was a perfect storm numbers-wise in our league,” Smart said on CBS Sports. “You had UConn having the best year ever of any Big East team. And then you had DePaul probably having the worst year ever.

Smart is spot on with his analysis of both UConn and DePaul.

The Huskies went 18-2 in conference play, the most Big East wins a team has ever had, and, on the flip side, DePaul went winless, 0-20, in conference play, the most losses by a team ever.

DePaul fired coach Tony Stubblefield in January and hired Chris Holtman last week to take over the beleaguered basketball program.

Seton Hall, though, beat UConn back in December, and all the Big East bubble teams took care of business against DePaul.

UConn, the reigning national champions and now Big East Tournament champions, is the No. 1 overall seed in the tournament. They’ll play in the East region.

Marquette is a No. 2 seed in the South region and Creighton is the No. 3 seed in the Midwest.

However, some feel that a few Big East teams were snubbed from the tournament.

St. John’s, Seton Hall and Providence were all on the bubble but the committee shunned them.

Providence head coach Kim English voiced his displeasure with the committee’s decisions.

“I think the analytics are bulls–t,” English told reporters. “I think you could schedule bad teams in your non-league and beat the snot out of them and beat them by 50 and 60. I think coaching for so long has been a gentleman agreement. I mean, you have a large lead at the end of the game, for health reasons you take guys out, to get some other guys opportunities to play you take guys out.

“But right now might be a change in college basketball. We’re scheduling to beat teams by 40 and 50. [It] might be a thing to do, but when you get into this league, the analytics aren’t going to look very good in league. You’re playing against some really, really good coaches.”

The selection committee instead put Boise State, Colorado, Virginia and Colorado State in as the last four teams in.

Seton Hall was listed as the second team out of the NCAA Tournament, meaning St. John’s and Providence weren’t even truly a factor.

We Deserve What We Get

Had a chance to show the country and the committee something today, and we came out Charmin Soft. Got our lunch money taken, and just maybe a black eye. If we didn’t come out hot from three, this would have been yet another blowout road loss along the lines of Creighton and UConn.

Slick Rick had his team prepared and ready to play, Sha didn’t. We made fun of Pitino’s meltdown, but it obviously did something to his team. We had three ugly road losses in the last two weeks. The thirteen conference wins are very impressive, given what was expected of us, but those thirteen wins blind us to what this team is: wildly inconsistent and completely undependable on the road except at significantly inferior competition.

I know over 90% of us here said we were a lock. Well, now we get to test that, don‘t we? Now, we have to sit back and see what other teams do - which is exactly where we don’t want to be. Those numbers? They weren’t in favor of us. They said we were the weakest at large team in the tournament. Now we’ll see how it holds up when the committee puts us under the microscope.

I hope it all works out for us. I really do.

Ticked off

I have learned to not act on my initial feelings when I am disappointed by some situation. Last evening going into the selection program I still believed the Hall would get a bid.Early on I recognized that the number of bid stealers was not favoring the Hall's selection. I was bummed out but took some solace in the reality that Sha had gone way beyond my initial prognosis for the year. To win thirteen games with literally no bench was nothing short of miraculous. The seniors certainly were blown out of some games, but what five players playing enormous minutes could have achieved a thirteen and seven record in the second toughest league?

This morning I am more than a little ticked off by the reality of some of the teams that were selected over the Hall.It seems the committee used selective measures to pick Michigan State,Virginia and Dayton.They gerrymandered facts that supported their desires and did not see the hypocrisy of ignoring long standing metrics. I feel for Sha and the team who deserved their time in the sunlight, and hope that we loyalists give the team the necessary financial support to make the future bright, In the interim, I am proud of the team voting to play in the NIT ,
Go Pirates.

Rick Pitino rails on 'fraudulent' March Madness metric with St. John's not as close as believed


The NCAA Tournament bubble didn’t burst Sunday for St. John’s because it turns out that it never really existed.

More than just being left out of the 68-team bracket, St. John’s was not even among the first four teams left out of the NCAA Tournament, the selection committee revealed, despite a late-season surge that included six straight wins and pushing defending national champion UConn to the limit in the Big East Tournament semifinals.

“If I could just give the players a hug and make the pain go away, I would wave my magic wand and do that,” head coach Rick Pitino said via Zoom after the team watched the selection show in private because of his sense that disappointment loomed. “But I unfortunately couldn’t do it.”

A weekend of automatic-bid-stealing around the country bumped St. John’s (20-13, 11-9) off the bubble completely, which is a surprise given its NET ranking (NCAA Evaluation Tool) of No. 32.

Since the advent of the supposedly all-important metric, the team with the highest NET ranking to miss the tournament was North Carolina State (33) in 2019 … until now.

“I think we all should probably never mention that word [NET] again because it’s fraudulent,” Pitino said. “I think the NET is something that shouldn’t even be mentioned anymore. I think we had a good strength of schedule [in] KenPom [rankings]. Why mention him? We tried to play a tough schedule, we tried to do things the right way, and we didn’t get in. But I never make excuses.”

The last four teams in were Virginia, Colorado State, Boise State and Colorado, setting up two of the early-week play-in matchups in Dayton, Ohio, for a pair of No. 10 seeds.

The first four teams out were Oklahoma, Seton Hall, Indiana State and Pittsburgh.

St. John’s was looking to get into the tournament for the first time since 2019, with hopes of riding its hot streak to its first win in the Big Dance since 2000.

Pitino was trying to become the first coach to bring six different schools to the NCAA Tournament.

“There is no consolation — whether you are last four in, first four out — the only thing about it is making it,” Pitino said. “Even though our players were all pumped up and very excited, the room got more somber with each round.”

St. John’s will decline a bid to the NIT, end its season and shift focus to the transfer portal because Pitino says that “seven or eight” new players need to be recruited.

Only 11 of 32 conference tournaments were won by the top seeds and the madness started early.

North Carolina State (ACC), Oregon (Pac-12), Duquesne (Atlantic 10) and UAB (American Athletic Conference) unexpectedly crashed the party by winning conference tournaments, and Richard Pitino Jr.-coached New Mexico climbed off the bubble by winning the Mountain West.

“Every possible upset happened and the three of us really got hurt by that,” Pitino said. “You have to say the committee did the best they could. We weren’t considered … and we move on.”

It looked like St. John’s punched its ticket Friday by avenging two regular-season losses with a blowout win of Seton Hall in the Big East Tournament quarterfinals.

Instead, the outcome bumped the Pirates out of the bracket, too, and the Big East was left with just three teams as Providence joined St. John’s and Seton Hall in disappointment.

Pitino said he knew that St. John’s “was going to have a very difficult time making it” after Colorado, Florida Atlantic and North Carolina lost in their tournaments. It’s the first time in his long coaching career that he has experienced a bubble burst — if there was one on.

“We’re not going to gripe, we’re not going to say we got screwed,” Pitino said. “Bitterness does not help. I’ve had enough bitterness in my life to last a lifetime.”

Bubble watch

A few years ago a poster used to update a thread almost daily with games of interest for those, like me, that follow NCAA bubble teams. More often than not, Seton Hall is among them and it’s nice having one location to go for daily updates. I’ll try to add to this as much as time allows but please feel free to post schedules, results, thoughts, etc.
Most of the teams that appear come from ESPN’s “Bubble Watch”

2/13
Marquette 78 Butler 72
Iowa St 68 Cincinnati 59
Dayton 75 Duquesne 59
Pitt 74 Virginia 63
Kentucky 75 Ole Miss 63
Providence 75 St John’s 72
Vanderbilt 74 Texas A&M 73
Drake 78 Evansville 75
Florida 82 LSU 80
SDSU 71 Colorado State 55
New Mexico 83 Nevada 82

St John's in March

St. John’s to Visit DePaul on Tuesday

FS1 will carry the national broadcast between the Red Storm and Blue Demons at 9 p.m. ET

QUEENS, N.Y. (March 4, 2024) – Fresh off a 23-point victory at Butler, the St. John’s men’s basketball team (17-12, 9-9) will look to extend its winning streak to four on Tuesday when the Johnnies take on DePaul (3-26, 0-18). Tip-off is scheduled for 9 p.m. ET.

FS1 will carry the national telecast with Matt Schumacker and LaVall Jordan calling the action from Wintrust Arena. An audio broadcast of the game on the LEARFIELD Red Storm Sports Network with John Minko and Vin Parise will also be available on a variety of platforms including the Varsity Network App, TuneIn Radio, RedStormSports.com and the St. John's Red Storm mobile app. The radio broadcast can also be heard on SiriusXM channel 384 and the SiriusXM App.

The Johnnies earned their third-straight win on Wednesday, routing Butler, 82-59, inside Hinkle Fieldhouse. Glenn Taylor Jr. led the Red Storm with 17 points hitting a career-high five 3-pointers in the team’s seventh BIG EAST victory by double digits this season. Over the last two games, Taylor has averaged 10.5 points, 6.5 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 2.0 steals helping St. John’s to wins over the Bulldogs and then-No. 15 Creighton.

In its last three victories, St. John’s has elevated its scoring average to 84.0 points per game, hitting 49.0 percent of its attempts from the field. Daniss Jenkins has been a key contributor during the stretch, as the Red Storm’s point guard has averaged a team-high 16.7 points per game. Backcourt mate Jordan Dingle has contributed 16.3 points per contest, knocking down 60.6 percent of his field goal attempts in the three games.

On Tuesday, St. John’s will look to complete the regular season sweep of the Blue Demons after rolling to an 85-57 victory in their first meeting on Feb. 6 at UBS Arena. Jenkins and Dingle paced the Johnnies with 14 points apiece. As a team, St. John’s also knocked down 15 3-pointers, setting the program record for the most threes against a BIG EAST opponent.

St. John’s and DePaul will meet for the 55th time in program history. The Johnnies hold a 32-22 advantage in the all-time series and will try for their fifth-straight win against the Blue Demons.

DePaul enters Tuesday’s contest on a 17-game slide. The Blue Demons are in search for their first BIG EAST victory of the season and have not won a game since defeating Chicago State, 70-58, on Dec. 30 at Wintrust Arena.

The Blue Demons are coming off an 82-63 setback against Butler on Saturday in Chicago. Jaden Henley led DePaul with 15 points shooting 5-for-9 from the field against the Bulldogs. Jalen Terry finished with 14 points and hit four 3-pointers in the loss.

The Blue Demons are 3-14 in home games this season with nine of those losses coming in BIG EAST action. Elijah Fisher has averaged a team-best 10.6 points per game, shooting 51.5 percent from the field at Wintrust Arena. As a team, DePaul has allowed 80.5 points per game in home contests.

Following Tuesday’s game, St. John’s will return to Madison Square Garden on Saturday for Senior Day and its regular season finale against Georgetown. FOX will carry the national broadcast with tip-off slated for 12 p.m.

How is this for irony?

Last year Rutgers thought they had a bid but wound up as the 2nd team Out (Zero bid stealers). If they had beat us on their home floor it may have put them in.

This year Seton Hall was the 2nd team out (5 bid stealers). Would they have been in without a bad home loss to Rutgers?

NJ Hardwood Classic may have resulted in 2 lost bids for NJs high majors.
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