Since Meuller is apparently assisting in the process, that should satisfy everyone.
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I have no issue with the process today. The letter today says they dont expect the white house to review for executive privelage, but of course they will.
We'll see what happens when it happens.
Agreed, though Barr did note the President does have the right to review for executive privilege. I hope we avoid that as it would be a complete shit show if that happens.
A reasonable path forward is that a redacted copy should be made public and a classified full unredacted copy should be made available for members of congress.
Disagree with the unredacted version being available to Congress. They have proven to be untrustworthy and would leak information like a sieve.
This will drag on forever if they are not able to see it. It's their job to oversee the DOJ. Certain members of congress should absolutely have access to the information.
I'm relaxed, just stating what should happen. You know democrats will never let it go if details remain hidden to congress.
If they get the entire report and there is nothing there, they would give it up. It would just give Trump more ammunition heading into 2020. They would probably just move onto something else like emoluments.
If they don't get the whole report, it will look like something is being hidden and it is a cover-up. Subpoenas and the related fights will certainly follow.
I don't believe that, we all know you can (and most politicians will) twist words in a report to any view they want to make it out to be, and that will be the narrative. Whether it goes on for a long time, or Congress can "find" something else to investigate that is "more expolosive" only time will tell.
That’s pretty naïve of you. There are 300 pages of words to twist to continue to support a narrative. Democrats will not let go...the question is How will they use that information for the 2020 election.
Doesn't really matter. It is a hypothetical that probably won't play out anyway.
There is a reason by Mueller went so far as to say there was not enough evidence of a criminal conspiracy, but didn't go as far on obstruction. There will likely be plenty in the report without having to twist anything.
I would agree that it doesn’t really matter at this point. Trump got his talking points… No collusion… And the never Trumper’s won’t give in no matter what the report says. Most of the early polls are showing people in the middle care more about healthcare, jobs and security.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-barr-mulls-what-in-mueller-report-to-release
"Attorney General William Barr hasn’t discussed any part of Mueller’s report with the White House, according to a Justice Department official, but plans to rely instead on his own judgment in deciding whether some details in the report should be withheld under executive privilege."
That is crazy.
"Attorney General William Barr hasn’t discussed any part of Mueller’s report with the White House, according to a Justice Department official, but plans to rely instead on his own judgment in deciding whether some details in the report should be withheld under executive privilege."
That is crazy.
Who knows...Maybe there’s some pictures with Biden’s tongue in Comey’s ear? Barr being considerate...https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-barr-mulls-what-in-mueller-report-to-release
"Attorney General William Barr hasn’t discussed any part of Mueller’s report with the White House, according to a Justice Department official, but plans to rely instead on his own judgment in deciding whether some details in the report should be withheld under executive privilege."
That is crazy.
He is also working with Mueller as well on the details that should be withheld. You should be happy that he has not discussed it with the White House.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-barr-mulls-what-in-mueller-report-to-release
"Attorney General William Barr hasn’t discussed any part of Mueller’s report with the White House, according to a Justice Department official, but plans to rely instead on his own judgment in deciding whether some details in the report should be withheld under executive privilege."
That is crazy.
I bet you also believe that Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton met on the tarmac and only talked about their families?
He can redact for specific items with Mueller (though I still believe congress has the right to see the full report) Barr should not be able to assume/use executive privilege unless Trump says so. It is interesting that we have moved from Trump and every member of congress saying we should release the full report to most republicans walking that back.
Not at all. I've been consistent there.
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Followup up on that, Trump just hired a law firm to fight against the request for his taxes. He's about to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars so we don't find out he pays little taxes? He bragged about that during the debates.
Shame on Trump for claiming he paid more taxes if he didn't. With that said....
He's probably paying a good amount in payroll taxes that you will never see on his personal tax returns. At the same time, if he pays little in income tax, whose fault is it? Maybe the people that have been in government the last 40 years should stand up and take a bow for allowing the tax code to be what it is. Thank you Nancy Pelosi. Thank you Mitch McConnell. They're the problem, not Trump. Let's blame the guy in office for 2 years and give a pass on the people who have had the power to change it the last 40. I don't want a president who decides yeah I'm going to pay more taxes than the law says I have to. If he doesn't value his own money, why would he value America's money? Which other politician, democrat or republican, or major business figure is foregoing deductions they're entitled to because they want to help fund our government more?
Payroll taxes are capped and excess contributions in payroll taxes would be included in his tax return so he would get a credit for them. We would actually know exactly how much he paid in payroll taxes.
Not his at all.... BUT.... you are going along with the assumption that he is unwilling to provide a copy of any of his returns only because they would show he doesn't pay much in taxes. Entirely possible, but he has bragged about that before, so why not show everyone how smart he is by paying no taxes?
Seems like there is something else in there he doesn't want to be public.
...might have financial leverage over the president of the united states?
Maybe that is something worth knowing?
Since you know so much...What kind of entities does Trump have? LLC’s, Subchaper S, C Corporations? Are his companies directly on his return or does a K-1 flow onto his return. If they’re on a K-1, where would it say wages paid so we can derive what he paid in payroll taxes? And if they’re not on his tax return, would you be entitled to see his corporate tax return?
I'm not saying he does.
Im saying there is a reason he doesnt want his returns public.
I have no idea what that reason is, but I do doubt its because he paid how much he owed.
Hmm, when did the Medicare payroll tax go back to being capped, LOL?
He would pay 1.45% on all earned income up to $250,000, 2.35% on all earned income over $250,000, and 3.8% on all his investment income.
So glad you are not my tax accountant, LOL.
Exactly. All the questions you are asking is something we should know of the president.
Not sure why that principal is partisan.
So you have no answers to those questions but you’re going to tell me how much he paid in payroll taxes from his personal tax return, SMH.
Just for laughs, can you tell me the history of Presidents who have had private C Corporation ownership? Did those presidents give out the corporate returns or just their personal?
Yes, and you could calculate all of that with his return. My point being if he wasnt taking a credit for overpaying SS, he wasnt paying hidden payroll taxes as hoopsfan was suggesting... You'd agree with that, right?
We're not going to see his return and pretend there are millions of dollars of hidden payroll taxes paid... Right?
I'm not a tax accountant. I'm an auditor.
How are you going to calculate that if his corporations are C Corps and don’t go on his return?
I never once said a thing about paying hidden payroll taxes. I’m saying you’re not getting his payroll information off his K-1
How would I know the structure without any information about it?
Why are you so bending over backwards to excuse Trump here?
Every president has provided tax returns.
Stop making excuses and pretending like it doesnt matter. If it were a Democrat I will say the same thing. My vote for Bernie in 2016 was with the expextation that he would provide his tax returns. His unwillingness to do so through today has turned me off from voting from him.
I will never vote for a president who is not willing to provide their financial data.
The reason he hasn’t is because he probably doesn’t want anyone to know his actual wealth.
And this is also part of his strategy to ignore or push back on certain issues to create contention. The MSM and Dems keep wanting to shove a magnifying glass up his butt and he resists in everything to do with his taxes and family.
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So stop making the claim you could find out how much he pays in payroll taxes when you can’t from his personal return.
Here’s my question..when you say tax returns, does that mean personal or all returns the candidate has ownership in? And what is the precedent? Honestly I don’t know. Is what you’re asking for something that there is a precedent for? Were other presidents asked to show returns other than personal? I think that’s a legit question. Do you honestly know the answer? Did anyone see the Clinton Foundation return?
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I've already stated what I think about his tax returns and his refusal to release, he's hiding something.
Would you'd agree though that there is also a very good chance we wouldn't be able to glean any detailed info to support the conspiracy theories (yours and others) out there?
