COVID Comparison

[HALL85]

Kind of interesting to compare the United States versus Sweden. As we know, they took a much more open approach to keeping the economy open and focusing on herd immunity early on. In addition, they were not one of the first country is true receive the vaccine.

here we are in September, and their vaccination rate is higher than the United States and their deaths per hundred thousand are much lower (and have been all along). Their government has not taken a heavy-handed approach with masking or vaccinations and there are very few mandates from companies.

 

[Pirata]

their vaccination rate is higher than the United States

Given their culture, homogenous ethnicity, and size, I am not surprised.

 

[shufan1993]

Kind of interesting to compare the United States versus Sweden. As we know, they took a much more open approach to keeping the economy open and focusing on herd immunity early on. In addition, they were not one of the first country is true receive the vaccine.

here we are in September, and their vaccination rate is higher than the United States and their deaths per hundred thousand are much lower (and have been all along). Their government has not taken a heavy-handed approach with masking or vaccinations and there are very few mandates from companies.

What are the percentage of people with underlying conditions in Sweden compared to the US?

 

[shufan1993]

Also it is important to note as well the Covid 19 Pandemic is now the most deadly pandemic in United States History. Passing the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. I was right!

Covid-19 overtakes 1918 Spanish flu as deadliest disease in American history

The Covid-19 pandemic has become the deadliest disease event in American history, with its death toll surpassing that of the 1918 Spanish flu.

www.statnews.com

 

[Merge]

Kind of interesting to compare the United States versus Sweden. As we know, they took a much more open approach to keeping the economy open and focusing on herd immunity early on. In addition, they were not one of the first country is true receive the vaccine.

here we are in September, and their vaccination rate is higher than the United States and their deaths per hundred thousand are much lower (and have been all along). Their government has not taken a heavy-handed approach with masking or vaccinations and there are very few mandates from companies.

Some of that could be used to describe Florida as well, but if you compare Florida to Sweden, Florida has done much worse.

I'd be more inclined to compare them to their neighbors due to the cultural and general population differences. Covid deaths per 100k is almost 10x higher than in Norway with similar economic disruptions and recoveries.

 

[HALL85]

Some of that could be used to describe Florida as well, but if you compare Florida to Sweden, Florida has done much worse.

I'd be more inclined to compare them to their neighbors due to the cultural and general population differences. Covid deaths per 100k is almost 10x higher than in Norway with similar economic disruptions and recoveries.

Sweden has a much healthier population than the US, which has been the main driver. Vast majority of their deaths have been from long term care patients. They promote healthy lifestyles, personal decision/responsibility.

 

[Merge]

Sweden has a much healthier population than the US, which has been the main driver. Vast majority of their deaths have been from long term care patients. They promote healthy lifestyles, personal decision/responsibility.

I agree, but I wouldn't necessarily cite them as a success story considering the comparison to their neighbors though.

It's clear the US failed though. Much of that was driven by our unhealthy population, and now political divisiveness.

 

[HALL85]

I agree, but I wouldn't necessarily cite them as a success story considering the comparison to their neighbors though.

It's clear the US failed though. Much of that was driven by our unhealthy population, and now political divisiveness.

I didn’t tout them as a success story, but despite the fatalities (majority that were long term care), their vaccination rate is excellent, their economy stayed open and they are going about their life and avoiding the collateral consequences (isolation, depression, drug use, etc). Leaders there will tell you that they should have done a better job locking down nursing homes.

 

[SHUSA]

Sweden has a much healthier population than the US, which has been the main driver. Vast majority of their deaths have been from long term care patients. They promote healthy lifestyles, personal decision/responsibility.

ok but knowing US is unhealthy means you have to treat it differently. then make a plan therafter to promote long term health. youre almost proving the opposite point that the US needed the restrictions

 

[shu09]

ok but knowing US is unhealthy means you have to treat it differently. then make a plan therafter to promote long term health. youre almost proving the opposite point that the US needed the restrictions

Why should healthy people be punished in order to cater to those who haven't taken care of themselves?

 

[HALL85]

ok but knowing US is unhealthy means you have to treat it differently. then make a plan therafter to promote long term health. youre almost proving the opposite point that the US needed the restrictions

Why "thereafter"? It's been almost two years. Do you know what a difference you can make in your risk profile in two years? Significant, yet, crickets.

 

[SHUSA]

Why "thereafter"? It's been almost two years. Do you know what a difference you can make in your risk profile in two years? Significant, yet, crickets.

yea they can start now whatever but a salad today isnt stopping covid. a vaccine today will.

 

[HALL85]

yea they can start now whatever but a salad today isnt stopping covid. a vaccine today will.

Two years ago; two years ago…messaging should have started then.

 

[SHUSA]

Two years ago; two years ago…messaging should have started then.

and the effect it would have saving lives from covid would be infinitesimal, esp compared to vaccine

 

[Merge]

and the effect it would have saving lives from covid would be infinitesimal, esp compared to vaccine

You think we saw pushback with telling people to get vaccinated? Wait till we tell them they need to eat a salad and take a walk once in a while.

 

[SHUSA]

You think we saw pushback with telling people to get vaccinated? Wait till we tell them they need to eat a salad and take a walk once in a while.

Amd think of all the businesses and jobs that would be effected. isnt that a relevant argument too?

 

[Merge]

Amd think of all the businesses and jobs that would be effected. isnt that a relevant argument too?

Yep. Part of the reason no one touches the issue.

 

[HALL85]

and the effect it would have saving lives from covid would be infinitesimal, esp compared to vaccine

There was no vaccine two years ago. And you’re understating what the impact could’ve been. Would’ve been significant.

 

[HALL85]

You think we saw pushback with telling people to get vaccinated? Wait till we tell them they need to eat a salad and take a walk once in a while.

So don’t do it because there would be pushback? That seems a bit silly. Isn’t this about doing the right thing? It was the most important thing we could’ve done to fight this virus yet it was totally ignored.

 

[SHUMA04]

Given their culture, homogenous ethnicity, and size, I am not surprised.

Sweden is now actually staggeringly non-homogenous, at least in its major cities (Stockholm, Malmö, etc).

 

[SHUSA]

There was no vaccine two years ago. And you’re understating what the impact could’ve been. Would’ve been significant.

i dont think you realize how long it takes to a) change the behavior of those who are at risk and b) have those changes actually make a difference within two years. Infinitesimal. Potentiaply even no change whatsoever.

meanwhile one jab in 10s and youre good.

 

[HALL85]

i dont think you realize how long it takes to a) change the behavior of those who are at risk and b) have those changes actually make a difference within two years. Infinitesimal. Potentiaply even no change whatsoever.

meanwhile one jab in 10s and youre good.

Disagree... took over a year for vaccines to be available...You’re 230; you can lose 50 pounds in a year. Get the vaccine and lose another 20...you did yourself a big favor.

 

[HALL85]

Disagree... took over a year for vaccines to be available...You’re 230; you can lose 50 pounds in a year. Get the vaccine and lose another 20...you did yourself a big favor. Or you could be sitting here today at 250 (because you stayed at home and got less exercise). I would bet on the guy who is 160 today (and unvaccinated) vs the guy at 250 and is. No question.

 

[SHUSA]

Disagree... took over a year for vaccines to be available...You’re 230; you can lose 50 pounds in a year. Get the vaccine and lose another 20...you did yourself a big favor.

you think a lot of at risk people are gonna lose 50 lbs in a year? lol

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

you think a lot of at risk people are gonna lose 50 lbs in a year? lol

No. It’s not promoted. If the talk was everywhere and people shamed those who need to lose weight in the same manner they shame those that are unvaccinated, possibly. And this is coming from someone who lost 50 lbs in 6 months during junior year in college. 2 pounds per week is not that crazy for 26 weeks. 1 pound per week over the course of a year is doable.

not that I’m in favor of shaming but it’s funny society picks who it is okay to shame and who it’s not okay to shame.

 

[SHUSA]

No. It’s not promoted. If the talk was everywhere and people shamed those who need to lose weight in the same manner they shame those that are unvaccinated, possibly. And this is coming from someone who lost 50 lbs in 6 months during junior year in college. 2 pounds per week is not that crazy for 26 weeks. 1 pound per week over the course of a year is doable.

these people already know whats healthy, they dont care.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

these people already know whats healthy, they dont care.

I’ll disagree. I think there’s a lot of people who are stuck in a rut who want to change but don’t because they don’t know where to start, how to start, or they’re scared to start and fail. Not to mention they think just because it’s fat free it’s healthy. I used to work with a lady who snacked on marshmallows because they were fat free

 

[HALL85]

you think a lot of at risk people are gonna lose 50 lbs in a year? lol

If the alternative is dying I think that’s a pretty darn good incentive...rather than wearing a mask at your current weight.

 

[HALL85]

you think a lot of at risk people are gonna lose 50 lbs in a year? lol

I don’t think “ a lot “ will, but it would have been very helpful to have Fauci out in front of this prompting a healthy lifestyle instead of flip flopping every day. Crickets.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

The same states that could use a salad are the ones that refuse the vaccine. Dont tread on their freedom to eat like slobs.

Top 10 Obesity Rates
Mississippi (40.80 percent)
West Virginia (39.70 percent)
Arkansas (37.40 percent)
Oklahoma (36.80 percent)
Kentucky (36.50 percent)
Tennessee (36.50 percent)
Alabama (36.10 percent)
Michigan (36.00 percent)
Louisiana (35.90 percent)
South Carolina (35.40 percent)

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

The same states that could use a salad are the ones that refuse the vaccine. Dont tread on their freedom to eat like slobs.

Top 10 Obesity Rates
Mississippi (40.80 percent)
West Virginia (39.70 percent)
Arkansas (37.40 percent)
Oklahoma (36.80 percent)
Kentucky (36.50 percent)
Tennessee (36.50 percent)
Alabama (36.10 percent)
Michigan (36.00 percent)
Louisiana (35.90 percent)
South Carolina (35.40 percent)

No one is saying they should be forced to eat a salad or take a vaccine. It’s their choice but they should be educated on all aspects.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

the last minute is very shocking.

 

[SHUSA]

I don’t think “ a lot “ will, but it would have been very helpful to have Fauci out in front of this prompting a healthy lifestyle instead of flip flopping every day. Crickets.

well if alot wont then why waste the time effort and money when you can promote something that has proven to be extremely effective?

 

[SHUSA]

I don’t think “ a lot “ will, but it would have been very helpful to have Fauci out in front of this prompting a healthy lifestyle instead of flip flopping every day. Crickets.

when you give these people a chance to get a vaccine or take away their burger what do you think they pick? we just havent (and cant) take away their burgers.

 

[SHUSA]

If the alternative is dying I think that’s a pretty darn good incentive...rather than wearing a mask at your current weight.

hahahah. so when theyre given the alternative of a simple vaccine or death theyve chosen death. they dont even wear masks. youre just trolling at this point because youre not this stupid.

 

[SHUSA]

I’ll disagree. I think there’s a lot of people who are stuck in a rut who want to change but don’t because they don’t know where to start, how to start, or they’re scared to start and fail. Not to mention they think just because it’s fat free it’s healthy. I used to work with a lady who snacked on marshmallows because they were fat free

you have a point on fat free, but thats no longer pushed. sugar free is what is pushed now. so really its not a good point.

do you think these people have no idea what healthy is? they do. its anything they dont like eating.

what is your realistic plan to correct this? its not knowledge its self control and giving a damn. whats your plan to fix it?

 

[sami]

what is your realistic plan to correct this? its not knowledge its self control and giving a damn. whats your plan to fix it?

Have you heard of the food pyramid?

 

[SHUSA]

Have you heard of the food pyramid?

yea its always been promoted, and actually has been updated so much by the govt that michelle obama changed it to a plate to make it legitimately healthy. no sweets or anything. everyone on this board gave her a bunch of guff for getting involved. of course.

what else you got?

 

[HALL85]

hahahah. so when theyre given the alternative of a simple vaccine or death theyve chosen death. they dont even wear masks. youre just trolling at this point because youre not this stupid.

It is stupid not to recommend that living healthy could save your life. But crickets “Dr.” Fauci.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

No one is saying they should be forced to eat a salad or take a vaccine. It’s their choice but they should be educated on all aspects.

Just wanted to point out that the most at risk people, obese, also coincides with the states with the lowest vaccination rates. Simple fact.