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Disagree totally. And we have discussed specific examples in the past. This is really about personal choice.
I find this to be very peculiar. As far as I’m concerned this was a Trump enabled vaccine. I don’t want to put a political party label on a vaccine but if I had to I would think the vaccines are more red than blue. Yet blue states are saying take the orange man enabled vaccine, while red states are skeptical. I would think the situation should be reversed from the stat.
Just get the DAM shots but talking to these people against the vaccine and their ignorant reasons (unless for health reasons ) is a almost impossible .
I find it odd how some people like to sit on their high horse and look down on the "uneducated". To be honest, I think what we should be more concerned with is "highly educated" people that act like selfish, entitled children and unfortunately are in positions of authority in some cases.
If you ignore all of the messaging in 2021, maybe.
Unfortunately there are months and months or right wing politicians and news personalities etc pushing anti-vax messaging and the outcome of that is clear.
It's not a coincidence that when you poll people "republicans" are least likely to be vaccinated, red counties generally have the lowest vaccination rates and highest rates of hospitalizations currently. The data is clear here and again... I think you (and others here) would acknowledge it if the roles were reversed.
I think Bill Maher did a segment where Democrats believe that if you get covid, you have a 50% chance you're going to the hospital, when the truth is it's less than 5%. Could that be a factor in why more democrats have taken the shot? There is definitely some misinformation out there that is scaring some people into getting it. I would say because of that it's no coincidence democrats are running to get the shot and putting less thought is this right for me.
The data is not clear. There is no data on hospitalizations and political affiliation of those patients. You're making an assumption on polling information. You keep trying to advance a narrative that is unproven.
That can also be true. Dems more likely to believe the virus is worse than it is. Republicans are more likely to believe the virus isn't as bad as it is.
But that is exactly what I am talking about.
When there is something that works for your politics, all of a sudden the argument "fits"
Yep, I am making an assumption that the reason why the counties with the lowest vaccination rates and highest hospitalization rates just happen to be areas where there are higher percentages of people who when polled say they are most likely to not be vaccinated.
Again... little doubt you would see it if the roles were reversed.
You're free to keep believing it is just a coincidence though.
That assumes most people are blinded by politics. I happen to think most people live their life ignoring politicians. If you look at the polls on their approval ratings, that should tell you something.
I actually think you're saying if things were reversed, I wouldn't be thinking for myself I'd be following party storylines, which is absurd.
It's data built on assumptions. I shared that just in PA, Philadelphia and Allegheny counties have lowest vaccination rates....didn't realize they were Republican counties.....
I didn't say most people. I said the anti-vax messaging had an impact which drove vaccination rates in red areas.
Nope. I never said that.
What I said was that right wing media pushed anti-vax messaging which seems to have had an impact because republicans are less likely to be vaccinated, red counties generally have lower vaccination rates and higher hospitalization rates.
Yes. That should be obvious.
I never suggested that all republicans blindly follow Tucker Carlson etc. I said some do, which is why republicans happen to have lower vaccination rates.
Republicans - 54%
Independents - 63%
Democrats - 86%
I think that split is enough to make a difference in hospitalization rates around the country.
This is rather easily explained. It's correlated with adherence to collectivism/state power over individual/familial liberty.
If one wants to call that "politics," I suppose in some distorted way it makes sense. But a more correct word would be principles.
Case in point: African Americans are overwhelming Democratic but they also have a deep mistrust of the state.
You are acting like right wing politicians and media specifically didn't spend months with anti-vax messaging.
They have, but the question is who is actually listening to them. 12% approval rating would say no.
You're acting as if people these days actually listen to what politicians have to say. Especially those who already are skeptical of the state.
Exactly. See Trump on the vaccine. Not only has his base not listened to him here, it's actually stirred up a growing sense of unease with him.
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During the early months of Covid-19 vaccinations, several major demographic groups lagged in receiving shots, including Black Americans, Latino Americans and Republican voters. |
More recently, the racial gaps — while still existing — have narrowed. The partisan gap, however, continues to be enormous. A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 86 percent of Democratic voters had received at least one shot, compared with 60 percent of Republican voters. |
The political divide over vaccinations is so large that almost every reliably blue state now has a higher vaccination rate than almost every reliably red state: |
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Because the vaccines are so effective at preventing serious illness, Covid deaths are also showing a partisan pattern. Covid is still a national crisis, but the worst forms of it are increasingly concentrated in red America. |
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As is often the case, state-by-state numbers can understate the true pattern, because every state has both liberal and conservative areas. When you look at the county level, the gap can look even starker. |
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When Covid was bluer |
It’s worth remembering that Covid followed a different pattern for more than a year after its arrival in the U.S. Despite widespread differences in mask wearing — and scientific researchsuggesting that masks reduce the virus’s spread — the pandemic was if anything worse in blue regions. Masks evidently were not powerful enough to overcome other regional differences, like the amount of international travel that flows through major metro areas, which tend to be politically liberal. |
Vaccination has changed the situation. The vaccines are powerful enough to overwhelm other differences between blue and red areas. |
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Some left-leaning communities — like many suburbs of New York, San Francisco and Washington, as well as much of New England — have such high vaccination rates that even the unvaccinated are partly protected by the low number of cases. Conservative communities, on the other hand, have been walloped by the highly contagious Delta variant. (You can find data for hundreds of counties here.) |
Since Delta began circulating widely in the U.S., Covid has exacted a horrific death toll on red America: In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June, according to Charles Gaba,a health care analyst. In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000. |
And the gap will probably keep growing: |
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Why is this happening? |
Some of the vaccination gap stems from the libertarian instincts of many Republicans. “They understand freedom as being left alone to make their own choices, and they resent being told what to do,” William Galston has written in The Wall Street Journal. |
But philosophy is only a partial explanation. In much of the rest of the world, vaccine attitudes do not break down along right-left lines, and some conservative leaders have responded effectively to Covid. So have a few Republican governors in the U.S. “It didn’t have to be this way,” German Lopez of Vox has written. |
What distinguishes the U.S. is a conservative party — the Republican Party — that has grown hostile to science and empirical evidence in recent decades. A conservative media complex, including Fox News, Sinclair Broadcast Group and various online outlets, echoes and amplifies this hostility. Trump took the conspiratorial thinking to a new level, but he did not create it. |
“With very little resistance from party leaders,” my colleague Lisa Lerer wrote this summer, many Republicans “have elevated falsehoods and doubts about vaccinations from the fringes of American life to the center of our political conversation |
Include media personalities. The anti-vax personalities lead in ratings, and their audience just happens to have the lowest vaccination rates. so yes... people are listening to the messaging.
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If that's supposed to be a shot at me, I'll just have a chuckle.
Nobody is looking down on the "uneducated". These states have high obesity rates and low vaccination rates. Both facts, I'm sorry if that offends you 85.
I've always voted with the people in these places in mind because their communities have been decimated by free trade and outsourcing. I donate to groups to help communities/kids in the Appalachians.
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I will say to his point, if you watch a yankees or mets game you get about an advertisement per inning from the doctor of NYC telling you why you should get the vaccine.
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