As the resident health expert here... Feel free to jump in.
You know that vaccines reduce transmission of infectious disease.
As the resident health expert here... Feel free to jump in.
You know that vaccines reduce transmission of infectious disease.
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Holy shit, the stubbornness is great on both sides.
If unvaccinated can get and transmit the virus, and that rate is 3 times the rate of vaccinated people, then it stands to reason that vaccinated people can get and transmit the virus at a rate greater than zero.
Do you really not understand that, and is Kniespolice really that stubborn to not simply say vaccinated people can get and transmit it?
The stupidity in some of these arguments is amazing.
I think we need to debate the meaning of the word “reduce” vs. “eliminate”. Lol
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Yes, we all acknowledge a small portion of vaccinated people will still get it. However, the vaccines REDUCE the virus transmission since most vaccinated will not get the virus.
No, I said it doesn't eliminate transmission. Yet you talk about reading comprehension. LOL, too funny.
Vaccines don't prevent you from acquiring a virus. They aid your body in fighting off the infection once you come in contact with the pathogen.
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Keep going... which reduces viral load which reduces the amount of the virus you would transmit to others once you come in contact with it.
Though this started because you said that the point of getting a vaccine isn't to help others, which is just absolutely incorrect.
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Your exact words-
"So you take the tetanus vaccine to help others? That's news to me.
"It also hasn't been proven that they reduce transmission. Vaccinated people are still getting the virus and passing it along."
I spy the word REDUCE 🧐😂
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Liar.
"So you take the tetanus vaccine to help others? That's news to me.
It also hasn't been proven that they reduce transmission. Vaccinated people are still getting the virus and passing it along."
You really do have reading comprehension issues. Thanks for the daily reminder that the average American isn't too bright.... You're a shining example.
The context of that conversation was in response to Merge. The science on how much they reduce transmission is still up in the air, which is why I said it hasn't been PROVEN.
The original post in question is this one, where I stated that they do not eliminate transmission: https://setonhall.forums.rivals.com/threads/good-luck-to-our-kids.52549/post-826940 That is an unequivocal fact.
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Nice spin on your own words. 😂
Funny you lash out like a cornered animal when presented with your own words.
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It's not spin. What is wrong about stating that the covid vaccines have not been proven to reduce transmission? The science is still trying to figure that out.
What is a fact is they do not eliminate it. The jury is still out on how much they reduce spread.
Why is the CDC recommending masks for vaccinated people if the vaccines reduce transmission? That would make no sense.
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You're wrong about vaccines reducing spread AND you're a liar. Theres no reason to continue engaging with someone who is trying to spin their own words that we can all read. Take the L.
lmao, no point going any further with 09. he cant comprehend this. he doesnt wear jackets in winter because hes still cold when he puts one on. if it doesnt eliminate, it doesnt work full stop. Reduction is a myth, only full elimination.
not only is it proven with the vaccine, its also common sense. if i dont get it, i cant give it. just because i may be asymptomatic doesnt mean i cant spread it to someone who will
be symptomatic. but if i dont get it...
honestly the word stupid is now in play
Because they do not eliminate transmission. They reduce it, and the virus is spreading in areas with lower vaccination rates.
The whole concept of herd immunity is that the herd is protected from infection to a degree that even when there is a breakthrough infection, it is less likely that infected person would pass it on to another.
Thank you for confirming.
I wish we had these conversations in person instead of on a message board. Many of you would understand better.
All I said was 1) they do not eliminate transmission (true) and 2) the science isn't clear on whether they reduce spread (also true as it is evolving).
Right, but no one said they eliminate transmission.
My objection wasn't that you said they don't eliminate transmission. My objection was because you said that "the point of getting a vaccine isn't to help others" - That is absolutely just not correct.
Ok. I disagree. If I were to get the covid vaccine, the only reason would be because I think it's worth the protection that it would provide to me.
That's your choice and that's fine, but the purpose of vaccines is broad community protection.
Not to dilute your message on vaccines because it’s extremely important some understand it.
But to a lesser degree, the purpose of wearing masks is broad community protection as well (esp the general pop and kids that don’t have access to fitted N95 mask and the like).
Mask wearers protect others more than themselves.
How do you explain the fact that states with mask mandates and high compliance had no meaningfully different outcomes versus states that did not?
Maybe you are right. But data and information evolves and we should evolve with it.
We already have evolved with the info presented from decades ago to where we are today.
I’m sure it was difficult to move the general consensus that global warming didn’t exist TO its exists but humans aren’t causing it TO it exists and we may be contributing but it’s not a big deal and won’t affect anything for 100’s of years TO hey we are seeing more near term effects of it and can even potentially quantify possible economical losses from it.
I'd explain it as when you start to look at the actual data scientifically, factoring in populations, when the mandates were established, timing of compliance, etc etc etc... Actual scientific analysis. You would see that masks helped. Every study on this topic shows that.
An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19
The science around the use of masks by the public to impede COVID-19 transmission is advancing rapidly. In this narrative review, we develop an analytical framework to examine mask usage, synthesizing the relevant literature to inform multiple areas: population impact, transmission...
Always funny when reality slaps ideologues in the face:
www.cnbc.com
White House calls on OPEC to boost oil production as gasoline prices rise
The White House is calling on OPEC+ to take action as surging gas prices prompt fears that rising inflation will derail the economic recovery.
Does anyone truly believe China will do something to help clean up the planet if it limits their GDP growth.Even jet setter John Kerry acknowledges that if the US implements green new deal and China changes nothing it will NOT improve the US environment.Setting a good example doesn’t work with a government that knowingly lets a virus spread to the whole world.Their leaders will only see the evil of their actions when they arrive in HELL.
Put me down as doing it for myself.
And if enough people did it selfishly, what would you have?
Vaccinated People With Breakthrough Infections Can Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says
In an outbreak in Provincetown, Mass., three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. The study's findings suggest that vaccinated people infected with delta can transmit the virus.
www.npr.org
I agree, I wish more people got vaccinated selfishly too.
Thanks for confirming my thoughts that if they aren’t able to care about others in our communities now, why would they care about global warming that may not affect them in their lifetimes. It’s a steep hill to climb.
Most people don't care about helping their community. Only 2% of the population donates blood to help patients in need (mostly for critical and lifesaving needs) and we have a national blood emergency right now.
After being fed such nonsensical, hysterical predictions that never came close to becoming true, why would anyone hold them in any regards?
I couldn't care less about the community when it comes to my choice of whether or not to take a vaccine. If people want to be protected, they have the option of getting the vaccine. It has been available for months now. Those who haven't taken it clearly don't want it.
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