Lol. Yeah, this is what happens when you recruited and coach the worst team the program has seen in 10 years that plays about the worst offense in the country statistically.
Jerry on the game
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Pirate crew called out!! I know Jerry needs to shade his coverage to ensure access but this is laying it on a bit thick.
Yea…Jerry lost me on this one. Have to look at the coach after losing to Fordham, Hofstra, AND Monmouth. Oh and struggling to beat St. Peter’s and NJIT. Oh and getting blown out by Vanderbilt. But hey, nice couple of wins over mid majors VCU and FAU 🙄
Wish we could just call it what it is. We’re district 5 hoping Gordon Bombay turns us into the mighty ducks. But make no mistake about right now we are district 5. At some point we may be asked do you think losing is funny
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The stat in the telecast said we are the only P6 team to have 2 Quad 4 losses. That tells it all.
Why on earth do they care about "fat guys on keyboards" ?
Glad we got the win but we couldn't guard their best player and we continue to look lost on offense. I did like the ball movement better overall this game on offense so that is a positive.
Dual continues to not be a very good PG. Surprised no Felton but OK with the shorter bench. It is about time.
Why on earth do they care about "fat guys on keyboards" ?
Glad we got the win but we couldn't guard their best player and we continue to look lost on offense. I did like the ball movement better overall this game on offense so that is a positive.
Dual continues to not be a very good PG. Surprised no Felton but OK with the shorter bench. It is about time.
imo, this is still a SHU team. we can eat some of our hostility. but there are enough over the top posts here for us to warrant criticism too.
Like Sha on the hot seat. Some of the posts are over the top. I will say this when players get paid criticism comes with the territory. I’ve Been saying the money changes everything including booing at games. No one bothered to think about can these kids handle the money and the pressure. It would be better if players were given money based on their year in school and not some getting more than others. Money is just another thing to factor into performance.
Losing creates a lot of strife. Sha yells them to block it out then defends himself against it. 🤣
Sha has been a good coach IMO but this is not only about coaching anymore. Right now we’re underwater with navigating how to build a roster. He also has to own this is a bad job this year so far. He assembled this group. The performance so far is terrible and should be unacceptable.
Again: 359th in tempo, 355th in 2PT%, 353rd in FT%. We’re talking worst in country. 364 teams.
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Sha has been a good coach IMO but this is not only about coaching anymore. Right now we’re underwater with navigating how to build a roster. He also has to own this is a bad job this year so far. He assembled this group. The performance so far is terrible and should be unacceptable.
Again: 359th in tempo, 355th in 2PT%, 353rd in FT%. We’re talking worst in country. 364 teams.
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As far as the headline goes. No, i dont think Shaheen has forgotten how to coach. However, i think his way of coaching doesn’t work in the current environment.
If we had this Shaheen 10 years ago and he was getting consistent 3 and 4 star high schoolers who stayed 3 or 4 years i have absolutely no doubt that we would be a perennial top 15 team.
But the idea of coaching from the ground up with a bunch of new players and then starting over is asking for a miracle every year. It wont work. Either you get great players or you get lucky in this current environment. We have neither.
I just don’t think you can be good every year without St. John’s type of money. Then we also have to ask ourselves do we want to be good or do we want to be great. I think Sha wants to be great, by mid January things should start to come into focus. I think we will start to see there is young talent on the floor. Can they be great 2 years from now with adjustments in the roster.
We should be able to keep 5 or 6 players from this team for next year. I’m looking at this year as an audition or try out. Sha will be looking for mental toughness, desire to win, athletic ability, defensive intensity, and biggest of all loyalty to the program and to him.
Can we start with being average? It’s hard to put into words just how bad we are. The issue with looking at young talent is it doesn’t matter because if they blow up, they’re leaving. We need a group of good players that stay together and play well as a team. If they’re too good, they’ll leave, as we saw with Kadary and Dre. All that said, sign me up for good players for one year as opposed to this mess. I think if coached better, we would see better results. I’m just not sure that they’re being put in the best position to succeed.
Its complete mish mash right now. I do agree the person who posted the "Hot Seat" message was not correct. We are no where near that place.
Pretty much most coaches will win with talent. Obviously, financial constraints are hurting Seton Hall right now. However, if guys like Izzo and others had this exact bunch of players, would they have a better record.?
Sha did not forget how to coach without question. He is much better at defensive instruction than offense. I am puzzled by his recruiting though. Some success I believe, but not having a plug and play PG nor adequate backup when Richmond was here has hurt the program.
Pretty much most coaches will win with talent. Obviously, financial constraints are hurting Seton Hall right now. However, if guys like Izzo and others had this exact bunch of players, would they have a better record.?
Sha did not forget how to coach without question. He is much better at defensive instruction than offense. I am puzzled by his recruiting though. Some success I believe, but not having a plug and play PG nor adequate backup when Richmond was here has hurt the program.
No one is criticizing Shaheen for his coaching but we all know you need talent to compete and win at this level of College Athletics and although we may be athletic, we don’t have the right mix of players who have sufficient skills on offense (3pt shooting, etc., play making creativity off the dribble) to be competitive. That comes back to roster building which is on Shaheen.
shas coaching is being criticized and a lot of it is warranted
I'd like to clarify that my "Sha's forgotten more about coaching basketball than I'll ever know" comment was to emphasize how much more he knows than I do, not to suggest he's forgotten how to coach haha.
I am absolutely criticizing his coaching. I think we are talented. Do I think we are great? Not at all. Do I think we are this bad? No way. These guys are not being allowed to do what got them here. They are being micromanaged and neutered. Hell, Coleman had his best game of the year and Sha was publicly displeased with his shot selection, even though he made those shots. What??? He’s got issues and since all coaches are stubborn you know whats, my only hope is that he can change for the better and learn from what has happened during his 3 years here.
From the way Sha talks in post game, his scheduling, his sub patterns early in seasons, I don’t think Sha realizes how important the NET is, with that, the OOC is super important! I’m still upset about how Sha used Samuel 3 seasons ago in OOC 🤣
Beating the brains out of bad teams is a must, scheduling game vs teams as neutral or away games need to be carved out meticulously. We can’t wait till January to figure out our core rotation. This ain’t St. Peter’s where you can have zero wins in the OOC and just win the conf tourney. Besides Gtown that one year, non at large teams don’t typically win the big east tourney.
The best bet for our team remains to be an at large team on the inside of the bubble. Short of a miracle there is no way we are an at large team this year. And that’s 3 bad OOC years under Shas watch now out of 3.
Even if we improve drastically during big east season, doubtful it will be enough overcome our loses to bad teams AND keeping it close in wins vs 200NET teams and above.
Im sure we even dropped our NET ranking even more yesterday from our glamorous 200 plus spot.
It’s not all on Sha but when he goes into a post game press conf after a bad performance, then say we are going to get better and wondering why fans are so anxious, it leaves me bewildered on what he is thinking. OOC is important, NET is importert, bad loses in nov and dec torpedo seasons at the Hall, last year is exhibit A.
Hope he figures it out.
Beating the brains out of bad teams is a must, scheduling game vs teams as neutral or away games need to be carved out meticulously. We can’t wait till January to figure out our core rotation. This ain’t St. Peter’s where you can have zero wins in the OOC and just win the conf tourney. Besides Gtown that one year, non at large teams don’t typically win the big east tourney.
The best bet for our team remains to be an at large team on the inside of the bubble. Short of a miracle there is no way we are an at large team this year. And that’s 3 bad OOC years under Shas watch now out of 3.
Even if we improve drastically during big east season, doubtful it will be enough overcome our loses to bad teams AND keeping it close in wins vs 200NET teams and above.
Im sure we even dropped our NET ranking even more yesterday from our glamorous 200 plus spot.
It’s not all on Sha but when he goes into a post game press conf after a bad performance, then say we are going to get better and wondering why fans are so anxious, it leaves me bewildered on what he is thinking. OOC is important, NET is importert, bad loses in nov and dec torpedo seasons at the Hall, last year is exhibit A.
Hope he figures it out.
Jerry is nothing but a shill. He's not a journalist.
Called out the fans in 2 different parts of the article when the program is in the spot it's in right now and there is a 99.9% the season is over 3 weeks before Christmas.
But go on Jerry. Tell us how we are bad. Real journalistic integrity there. Sha might as well write these articles for him.
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I respectfully disagree with your less-than-respectful assessment of Jerry. The guy is a pro AND a fan. That's a hard gap to bridge. imho he does that quite well. I do agree that he obsesses a bit with fan attendance, but to me that's minor.
That's fine. He's more of a public relations figure for the admin, staff, and players in my mind.
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Jerry is a program shill. Never critical until it can't hurt him (see his Willard exit column).
Hi Pat,
I have to agree with HallLine69. I went back and looked at the article and the only editorial Jerry added about the social media posts was that "[n]o one with an ounce of credibility has questioned his [Shaheen's] overall fitness as a head coach -- the guy took Saint Peter's to an Elite Eight and just guided Seton Hall to a 25-win season -- although specific critiques are inevitable when the team is playing as badly as his Pirates have been". I actually think that's a fair statement.
I have to defend Jerry whose articles on both local college basketball & human interest stories I look forward to. It's unfair to question his journalistic integrity. I know you're a big Pirates fan and contributor to PiratesCrew. We can just agree to disagree.
Of course we can. But for me the turning point was his numerous articles in KWs last year calling it his best coaching season at SHU (when it was not that was just factually wrong) basically acting as KWs public spokesman in the run up to KW quitting on the team.
He also mentioned at the end of the article the small crowd size but no one booed so that's an improvement. A purposeful dig at the fans. It's part of his MO.
Paid players and coaches are providing the paying customers with a form of entertainment.
The product on the court needs to improve to maintain consumer interest.
I wish Sha the best of luck.
The product on the court needs to improve to maintain consumer interest.
I wish Sha the best of luck.
One of the ugly byproducts of NIL payments and coaches making in the millions of $$$ is that fans react to the players and coaches as if they are professionals which I find understandable.Ugly but comes with the territory.
Happy with Prince last night but those bunnies will be hard to come by in BE play.I'll get on board when we can consistently see it.
How can the best player in the NJIT and Monmouth games be an opposing player?What does that say about our recruiting?
Happy with Prince last night but those bunnies will be hard to come by in BE play.I'll get on board when we can consistently see it.
How can the best player in the NJIT and Monmouth games be an opposing player?What does that say about our recruiting?
How can the best player in the NJIT and Monmouth games be an opposing player?What does that say about our recruiting?
One of the announcers said during the broadcast that Sha basically told Grant to sign Francis.
One of the announcers said during the broadcast that Sha basically told Grant to sign Francis.
It will be interesting to see how many players from this team come back next year. It could very well be a mass exodus, some pushed out, a lot running out. We will probably be in this same position again--thanks P4P !
It's pretty much been the case every year since pay for play
I think it’s important to keep Shaheen’s overall coaching career in perspective. He’s been very successful. But that does not change the fact that this year has been an F job by him so far.
There’s still time to make the season respectable. But as others have pointed out, it’s the first week of December and our chances of making the Dance are basically non-existent. That’s a failure of by any objective standard.
There’s still time to make the season respectable. But as others have pointed out, it’s the first week of December and our chances of making the Dance are basically non-existent. That’s a failure of by any objective standard.
i think the biggest issue here is a personality clash. When you’re 9 games in and can only say for the second half of the VCU game we were the team who wanted it more, this is more than a bad basketball problem. If we were out hustling teams and just bad I think most would be pissed about the results but the applauding the effort and heart. The lack of effort and heart is what makes this a tough watch and really kills a fans hope for improvement as the season goes along.
The constant yelling & bitching can get old after a while & Im not sure that hasn’t happened already with their lack of success.
Pointing a finger at the fans when Seton Hall has been the worst team in the Big East is weak. We’ve dropped 33 spots on Kenpom since the season started. We are 35 spots worse on Kenpom than any other big east team (including lowly DePaul). We struggled for long stretches at home against NJIT, one of the 15 worst teams Division 1. We got handled at home by Monmouth, one of the 60 worst teams in Division 1.
We have been REALLY bad this season. Omitting facts like this in favor of a reminder that Shaheen made the elite 8 at St. Peter’s and won 25 games last year is blatant homerism.
We have been REALLY bad this season. Omitting facts like this in favor of a reminder that Shaheen made the elite 8 at St. Peter’s and won 25 games last year is blatant homerism.
C’mon. Carino does not omit facts. He sees what we see but he’s not going to write like he’s some disgruntled poster on a fan board.
its a bad year, a really bad one. but its one year. if it was a coach who golfed with a few people he'd be afforded 4 more of these seasons. people are killing Sha not even halfway in , during NIL era, having a good season last year, and having a history of going deep in the tournament.
look at some of our bad losses 10ish years ago.
we kill our own guy whose had tournament success for one bad year... why? hmmm
look at some of our bad losses 10ish years ago.
we kill our own guy whose had tournament success for one bad year... why? hmmm
