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Mets fans, keep an eye on Dominic Smith. He is currently tearing up the Arizona fall league, batting 400 and had a very good 2015 season. Another very talented young kid,1b/of. Ahmed Rosario is a super good SS. Little bit light with the bat, but a super glove. As far as trades go, the Mets need a path to Familia and giving up a starter could get them a very good one.

He can rake, but he has shown little to no HR power and that's a concern for a 1B. He's probably got at least one more season in the minors. Maybe the power will come.
 
It was an unexpectedly very good year for the Mets. They played very well against the Dodgers and Cubs but many of their weaknesses were exposed against KC (bullpen setup guys, defense, d'Arnaud's arm).

As bummed as I am over the WS, I am very pleased with the 2015 Mets. And let's give credit to the Royals who played smart baseball and whose lineup full of contact hitters took a lot away from the Mets fireballing starters.

On to 2016. Murph and Cespedes likely gone, but keep an eye on Conforto and Dilson Herrera as their replacements.
 
Any time you win a pennant and go to the World Series it's a very good year. The things that the Mets fans should be excited about is that this is still a young team with several really good prospects in the minors and they should be a contender for a number of years going forward.the biggest issue for them to address is their bullpen both in free agency and with help from the farm system.
 
I'd offer both Harvey and deGrom identical 5 year $90 million deals immediately. I wonder if the Dodgers would consider shipping Puig this way as a replacement for Cespedes. His contract is relatively affordable and his value is at an all-time low. I'm not sure what it would cost, but I don't think the Mets would have to give up any of their top prospects.

Gotta make an offer to Murphy, probably 5 years and $60 million gets it done. They need to address the bullpen more than anything else. They have nothing between the starters and Familia. I'm not sure who's out there, but I'd probably follow in the Royals' mold and try and convert a starter to the set up role so that they won't have trouble being stretched 2 innings if necessary.
you offer murphy the QA so he is designated with comp if he signs elsewhere, only al teams would want him he can dh and play 3 infield spots, i think he is worth the granderson deal 4 for early 60s, mets should want nothing to do with puig, would harvey reject automatic life changing money because boras wants his clients to get to free agency? i dont know about that i would think matt would listen to his parents and others close to him, boras had a multiyear offer for alex rios to another al team and he turned it down for one plus an option to sign with royals this season, dynamic can change if matt says no to signing like this offseason

matt has more service time than jacob so he should get the bigger deal in aav and his clock is a little different for all 5 of them i would overpay the front side of arb and then get 2 free agency years out of them with a deal
 
I through out a hypothetical trade to a friend of mine the other day - Conforto and Wheeler for Betances. At first, he said he wouldn't do it as a Mets fan, but as the playoffs wore on he changed his mind. This trade would never in a million years happen, but if you could bridge the Mets starters to Familia with an elite setup option the Mets would be the toughest out in baseball.
Clearly a Mets fan trade...lol. Why would give up Betances for a starting pitcher coming off a major injury and an outfielder with almost no experience in the majors?
 
Not a Mets fan, but I agree that offering Murphy the QO and letting him walk makes sense. Get the comp pick and move on.

I wouldn't even make Cespedes an offer. This year was an outlier for him, he's going to be 30, and clearly has significant flaws in his game, many of which showed up when it counted most. I also would be leery about a player who was traded 3 times in 2 years. Two of which occurring when he was under club control.

I'd probably go all-in for Heyward. He's still young and aside from what he gives you defensively, and despite the lack of power (which still may develop), he gets on base and would be a nice fit for the Mets. I actually hope the Phillies sign him as I think he will still be productive by the time they're ready to contend, but I don't see that happening.
 
i dont think ive ever seen a game end well where the lead runner is walked in the 9th
 
Not a Mets fan, but I agree that offering Murphy the QO and letting him walk makes sense. Get the comp pick and move on.

I wouldn't even make Cespedes an offer. This year was an outlier for him, he's going to be 30, and clearly has significant flaws in his game, many of which showed up when it counted most. I also would be leery about a player who was traded 3 times in 2 years. Two of which occurring when he was under club control.

I'd probably go all-in for Heyward. He's still young and aside from what he gives you defensively, and despite the lack of power (which still may develop), he gets on base and would be a nice fit for the Mets. I actually hope the Phillies sign him as I think he will still be productive by the time they're ready to contend, but I don't see that happening.
i'd be shocked if heyward is not a cardinal in 2016 and after, they love his defensive metrics
 
you offer murphy the QA so he is designated with comp if he signs elsewhere, only al teams would want him he can dh and play 3 infield spots, i think he is worth the granderson deal 4 for early 60s, mets should want nothing to do with puig, would harvey reject automatic life changing money because boras wants his clients to get to free agency? i dont know about that i would think matt would listen to his parents and others close to him, boras had a multiyear offer for alex rios to another al team and he turned it down for one plus an option to sign with royals this season, dynamic can change if matt says no to signing like this offseason

matt has more service time than jacob so he should get the bigger deal in aav and his clock is a little different for all 5 of them i would overpay the front side of arb and then get 2 free agency years out of them with a deal

Puig may not be the answer, but the Mets will need to bring in a right handed bat with power. Either way, it will be an interesting offseason for the team. Hopefully they can lock up at least one of the pitchers long-term.
 
i'd be shocked if heyward is not a cardinal in 2016 and after, they love his defensive metrics
Maybe, that's generally not their MO though to spend big on FAs. I think Holliday is the only exception I can think of. I think Heyward is going to command a lot of $ on the open market, not sure the Cards will match what he will be offered.

As far as the posts about Puig, I'd keep him as far away from my team as possible, and certainly wouldn't give up anything of value for him.
 
Maybe, that's generally not their MO though to spend big on FAs. I think Holliday is the only exception I can think of. I think Heyward is going to command a lot of $ on the open market, not sure the Cards will match what he will be offered.

As far as the posts about Puig, I'd keep him as far away from my team as possible, and certainly wouldn't give up anything of value for him.
cards signed peralta at 13 per or so, they kept wainwright, cards will spend money if they see total long-term value in it
 
I'd offer both Harvey and deGrom identical 5 year $90 million deals immediately. I wonder if the Dodgers would consider shipping Puig this way as a replacement for Cespedes. His contract is relatively affordable and his value is at an all-time low. I'm not sure what it would cost, but I don't think the Mets would have to give up any of their top prospects.

Gotta make an offer to Murphy, probably 5 years and $60 million gets it done. They need to address the bullpen more than anything else. They have nothing between the starters and Familia. I'm not sure who's out there, but I'd probably follow in the Royals' mold and try and convert a starter to the set up role so that they won't have trouble being stretched 2 innings if necessary.

Harvey is 26 with four years MLB experience. No way Boros lets him sign a five year deal and then hope he stays heathy and productive enough to get another big payday ay 31. If he wants to extend before he becomes a free agent then he'll want more years and more then $12 mill a year . DeGrom is 27 with two years MLB experience and if he extends with the Mets he'll want more then $12 mil a year and more years as well.
 
Harvey is 26 with four years MLB experience. No way Boros lets him sign a five year deal and then hope he stays heathy and productive enough to get another big payday ay 31. If he wants to extend before he becomes a free agent then he'll want more years and more then $12 mill a year . DeGrom is 27 with two years MLB experience and if he extends with the Mets he'll want more then $12 mil a year and more years as well.

They'd both be getting $18 mill annually under my hypothetical. Scherzer just signed a 7 year $210 million contract at age 30 one year ago, so it's not as if they will have missed their chance at a big pay day by signing an extension or reworking their current deal now.

deGrom is under team control the next two seasons and then is arbitration eligible the following 3, taking him through his age 32 season. Didn't realize this when I came up with the offers. For deGrom, you'd have to offer him more than the 5 years he's still under control for for it to make sense.
 
whoever can allude a drug test the longest is the guy i want on my team

I think you mean "allude to." That's not hard, you just have to keep mentioning it, in an oblique sort of way.

You are right about the leadoff walk -- the cardinal sin of baseball. Harvey did it, and Clippard before him, and it cost 2 games.

I thought ShoreGuy lost his care for local sports. Now he's making bad hot stove league moves.
 
Boras doesn't always take his clients to free agency. Jared Weaver told Boras to take the Angel offer when Boras told Weaver to try free agency. The client is the boss. If Harvey wants to stay in NY with the Mets he can tell Boras to accept the Met offer.
 
Two guys with Tommy John already? I think they have to take some money. Nothing wrong with 50-70 mill. Harvey should fire Boras for how bad he made Harvey look this year.
 
They'd both be getting $18 mill annually under my hypothetical. Scherzer just signed a 7 year $210 million contract at age 30 one year ago, so it's not as if they will have missed their chance at a big pay day by signing an extension or reworking their current deal now.

deGrom is under team control the next two seasons and then is arbitration eligible the following 3, taking him through his age 32 season. Didn't realize this when I came up with the offers. For deGrom, you'd have to offer him more than the 5 years he's still under control for for it to make sense.

Why would Harvey take $18 million a year for 5 years ( $90 mil in total) when Scherzer is getting $ 210 million for 7 years( $30 mil a year) .So for 5 years Scherzer earns $150 million while Harvey earns $90 million a $60 million difference and Harvey IMO is a better pitcher. Don't see Harvey taking your deal.
 
Boras doesn't always take his clients to free agency. Jared Weaver told Boras to take the Angel offer when Boras told Weaver to try free agency. The client is the boss. If Harvey wants to stay in NY with the Mets he can tell Boras to accept the Met offer.

While most players will opt for the highest offer, not all. Sometimes a player may want to return closer to home or remain in a city where he is comfortable. I recall Cliff Lee taking less to be in Philly saying "how much more than $100 mil do I really need?" A player who will not be a free agent for several years would be foolish to turn down big guaranteed money especially when injury or poor production can destroy a career so quickly.

Tom K
 
Harvey should fire Boras for how bad he made Harvey look this year.
Harvey made himself look bad IMO. He's the boss, not Boras. Anyone who signs on with Boras knows what his MO is.

If I'm a young SP and have a chance to sign a deal that would make me independently wealthy even if it's well below market value, I wouldn't hesitate. Extreme case, but when Matt Moore signed with the Rays for 5/14mm, it was viewed as an absolute steal from the Rays perspective. Now, 1 TJ surgery and several ineffective seasons later, it seems pretty shrewd on Moore's part. If he turns it around he will still have an opportunity to hit FA at a young age (or will get more lucrative team options picked up). If not, he banked 14mm.
 
Whoever can allude a drug test the longest is the guy i want on my team
Did you have "the bends" when you posted this? ;)

Kidding. But if you want to go that route, I'd look no further than Bautista or encarnacion. Or even Josh Donaldson for that matter. I'm guessing they've all (at least the 1st two) have done a nice job "alluding" the drug test. Their numbers have improved dramatically at a time when the production of most players at their age deteriorate. Something has seemed amiss north of the boarder to me for a while now.
 
While most players will opt for the highest offer, not all. Sometimes a player may want to return closer to home or remain in a city where he is comfortable. I recall Cliff Lee taking less to be in Philly saying "how much more than $100 mil do I really need?" A player who will not be a free agent for several years would be foolish to turn down big guaranteed money especially when injury or poor production can destroy a career so quickly.

Tom K

Tom you're right there are times when a player takes less money to stay with his current team but in hallball's hypothetical we're using , no one is going to leave $60 million on the table.
 
I think you mean "allude to." That's not hard, you just have to keep mentioning it, in an oblique sort of way.

You are right about the leadoff walk -- the cardinal sin of baseball. Harvey did it, and Clippard before him, and it cost 2 games.

I thought ShoreGuy lost his care for local sports. Now he's making bad hot stove league moves.
donnie what is my bad move? nym mets org ie the wilpons need to show good faith to the fan base and their marquee players, otherwise these guys will walk out the door after 6 years and if you end up going to arb with them you will be paying them insane money
 
The Mets had a realistic chance for a championship. The loss in game one set a bad tone
and had the Mets with their backs against the wall after game 2. Yet they gave away games 4 and 5
also. Having said that The Royals had the perfect approach at the plate, waiting until the last few innings
to do their damage. The Mets hitting was just awful except for Grandison.

The future bodes well for the Mets. The starting pitcher means you should be in the argument for the next
years. The outfield players are fine right now although adding a dynamic guy would really help. Grandsion, Conforto are set. Lagares is a perfect 4th outfielder in my opinion. I'd say so long to Cespedes. The golf thing
is BS. He seems like a regular season bully who could feast off mediocre and bad pitching. He would help the
Mets during the regular season and put some people in the seats. On the other hand their attendance should
increase without him and he looked lost in the playoffs. The money could be used in other areas.

It gets tough in the infield and behind the plate. I'd reach out to some experts on their opinion on Travis
d'Arnaud. Can this guy be a successful catcher in the major leagues? Lots of holes in his defense. They may
want to package him and Wheeler to an American league team. The stolen bases in the World Series were embarrassing.

I think I'd keep Murphy for at least a year. The guy produces all the time although his World Series was bad. I think he made the 2nd error in game 5 because of the terrible error in game 4. Kind of had the "yips" Consider moving him to first base and trade Duda. Too many issues with Duda. He's high maintenance on the field both at the plate and in the field. Too many slumps and I don't see him as a bench player.

Flores doesn't bother me and I think he can still get better. If you got a better player there that would be OK too. David Wright is the leader on the team and still has some star power. He really is on the decline and moving into the next phase of his career. Both his fielding and batting are now suspect. The guy just refuses
to hit the ball the other way on a regular basis. Still trying to hit HRs most of the time, not as bad as Cespedes.

Bottom line is the Mets untouchables are the 4 starting fenoms, Grandison,Conforto and Familia. Anybody else could be replaced maybe with the exception of Murphy. Wheeler is the trading chip.
 
Fwiw...miamis Jose Fernendez, a Boras client, just rejected a long term deal.
 
LOLOL yes the bends, the runs, the case of the stupids. ELUDES.

Give me all the steroid guys who wont get caught. should be about 100 of them.
 
Fwiw...miamis Jose Fernendez, a Boras client, just rejected a long term deal.

I don't know the offer he rejected but as good as Fernandez is, with his injury history I think he should seriously consider guaranteed money.

Tom K
 
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