Moderna vaccine induced antibodies in all trial participants: paper
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Yeah, you should skip it. Better off staying indoors, and wearing hazmat suits, while living with your mom and dad, FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
I don't live with my mom and dad. I live with my wife and daughter who has a serious health issue. You think that's funny, chief? Feel free to contact me personally. Don't have any issues with telling you why I make the decisions I make. Maybe you would have a different opinion when you talk to me. If not, I would ask you to refrain from posting such smart ass posts going forward.
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I removed it. I realized it was not in good taste, sorry about that.
I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I've never gotten the flu vaccine in my life. I don't anticipate getting this one either.
Same here. I think with any vaccine or drug, you weigh your own risk factors and risks of the drug itself. That’s why they have package inserts.
In my opinion, I think it's stupid not to get a vaccine when it comes out. That's the only way we are going to beat this thing.
I think it is situational. If those at risk are able to get vaccinated then we don't have to worry about spreading it to them anymore and then it is a decision based on personal circumstances.
Agree. This shouldn't be hard to understand. If you are young, low-risk and don't want to expose yourself to potential side-effects of a new vaccine that doesn't have any historical reporting data, I can understand why they would pass. I know we have the best drug approval process probably in the world, but that doesn't mean that there is no risk from taking a new drug that has been fast-tracked.
Not a big fan of the flu shot because it has such a low effectiveness rate in various years. Haven't gotten a flu shot in ten years.
I will get this vaccine though because we need to get back to business and the more we can tamp this down the better. It is akin to wearing a mask - the more antibodies we can develop the better in this new pathogen's case. We all may have developed some antibodies to the various flu's out there but this is new and I believe as a result our bodies need a boost to lessen the potential effect and also slow the spread of the virus. Three years from now I may make another choice but in the short-term I intend to give it a try.
I will get this vaccine though because we need to get back to business and the more we can tamp this down the better. It is akin to wearing a mask - the more antibodies we can develop the better in this new pathogen's case. We all may have developed some antibodies to the various flu's out there but this is new and I believe as a result our bodies need a boost to lessen the potential effect and also slow the spread of the virus. Three years from now I may make another choice but in the short-term I intend to give it a try.
But unfortunately like with other vaccines it is not a 100 precent preventive measure
I do get the flu shot every year but that is also situational. Between my kids in school basically being petri-dishes and the fact that I visit many different clients over the winter - I think it is worth it for me to add whatever protection the shot can offer.
Ok, boss. Will refrain from smart-ass posts as soon as you stop posting how right you think you are about everything. Deal?
The only thing 100% in medicine is inevitable death. You should know that, you've used WebMD.
I received pressure from a manager who was a heavy advocate of flu shots after having our first-born, but I basically said to her I see enough people with weaker immune systems than me getting them and still getting sick so I don't feel compelled to do so. I just manage lifestyle and precautions. Every answer is not a pharmaceutical one.
When our first-born was in a nursery school, it was required that he get the shot in order to attend. He got sick with "flu-like symptoms" both times. Since moving on from there, he has not received the flu shot, and he has been fine. Our daughter had a mild case of Flu B this year. We managed, and I kept myself and our oldest son out of his sports team practices for the week as a precaution even though we both felt fine. A shot is not a cure-all, and there are other ways to mitigate your risk or symptoms if you are able to.
The reason we got them was to pass on some to the baby, seemed to work as she did not get sick at all. I get your point 100% we will see how we feel moving forward to next winter.
Agree a shot is not a cure all, but to get to the right level (herd immunity) we need more folks with the antibodies vs. less and it may take years. Other things you can do with your kids is promote sleep and eating fruits and veggies from a young age. Let them play in the dirt and grass etc. Getting dirty is a good thing and exposes them to lots of stuff. Get rid of antibacterial soaps - lessens your immune system in the long-term. Don't press your Docs to fix everything quickly with an antibiotic. If Moms are able to breast feed, encourage that as it is a natural way to help your children build immunities. All common sense stuff that can help.
Your choice but I’ll tell you my experience. I used to get the flu every year like clockwork sometime after Christmas to February. I never took the flu vaccine. But once I started to take the flu vaccine several years ago, I haven’t had the flu since. Is it 100% effective, no. However, especially this year, I think it would be a foolish decision to forego the flu vaccine this year. The combination of a flu and CoVid would be pretty devastating.
I have had CoVid 19 as well. As it looks like my immunity lasts only a few months, I am worried about this winter.
With regard to this vaccine, I understand being concerned about the safety of the vaccine especially under this administration rushing a vaccine recklessly. But, the only way we are out of this mess, is if people take the vaccine and it works. People like to talk about the low CoVid Death rate as a reason as to not to shut down and then at the same time with the other side of their mouth, that the vaccine is too dangerous and the side effects are killer even though that is a fraction of the CoVid rate,
I am not against vaccines, think kids should definitely get for most diseases. I just have never gotten the flu vaccine, but my kids and wife always do. I would not line up for this one, others high risk and otherwise should go first, but if required to get it or if enough available for all I would probably get it.
How long do you think it will take to we get back to "normal" again? 1 year, 2 years, several years, or never? Like when will sport events be sold out again?
This is a point I have not articulated but is rolling around in my head. I am not high risk due to age or underlying factors, and I traditionally fight off viruses better than those around me not to say I am invincible. However, the vaccines will be in short supply at least to start, and I have heard one factor in getting these out that isn't being widely talked about is the supply chain of vials to hold a vaccine even if they are able to quickly ramp up production of the vaccine itself or do that in parallel to studies.
We don't need people like myself (suburban, working from home, immune system has worked well on its own) gobbling up the vaccine that they probably don't need, at least not at the front of the line.
Lastly another point not talked about is that vaccines often have a much lower efficacy rate among the elderly so it is very possible that this is not the answer we are looking for anyway. I have felt and still feel the real answer is to identify the most effective treatment rather than outright prevention. I've seen some research that we have some good options, but again, they are not being widely used just yet.
Concerning side effects from the trial per this article. Of course, a quote from the CEO of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is included in this for some reason. Makes you wonder what the agenda is here.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/14/moderna-covid19-vaccine-first-data-show-spurs-immune-response/
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/14/moderna-covid19-vaccine-first-data-show-spurs-immune-response/
Who also have an agenda involving eugenics, population control and mass vaccinations.
"this person" spent a significant amount of time in the private sector developing vaccines after seeing how effective they were in impoverished areas of Kenya
but yeah... lets reduce her to someone Bill Gates controls and obviously she would only be talking to media because Bill Gates controls her and not because of her expertise in vaccine development... right...
We need both, a vaccine for prevention and a treatment for those who get sick. BTW, focus on Oxford/Astra Zeneca for a vaccine— their’s stimulates T-cells as well as antibodies) and Regeneron for a treatment.
But really, first a lot of people refused to wear masks. And look where we are now, five months later.
Now a lot of people (the same ones?) won’t take a vaccine if or when we get one. So if enough people won’t wear masks and won’t take the vaccine, where will we be a year from now?
Everyone needs to assess their own risk tolerance, but at some point, IMHO, there needs to be a recognition of what’s good for the community as a whole. We’re all in this together, right?
But really, first a lot of people refused to wear masks. And look where we are now, five months later.
Now a lot of people (the same ones?) won’t take a vaccine if or when we get one. So if enough people won’t wear masks and won’t take the vaccine, where will we be a year from now?
Everyone needs to assess their own risk tolerance, but at some point, IMHO, there needs to be a recognition of what’s good for the community as a whole. We’re all in this together, right?
No, we're not. That's what they (politicians, big pharma, control freaks) want you to think.
Doesn’t this go for any healthcare condition? There are tens of millions of people with Diabetes Type 2 for instance and many that choose not to manage their disease. There needs to be that same recognition because it’s good for everyone if they do. Same for many diseases. There are many people that can’t manage tThere are many people that can’t manage their own health much less wanna be in it altogether their disease, much less want to be in it all together.
