I'm not surprised by this announcement by our flip flopping Governor. 2 weeks ago the Governor announced students would not have to mask up at the beginning of the school year. However, the Governor has caved to the teachers union again. All students K-12 have to wear masks next school year. The governor will cave on a virtual option an well. I have been right a lot about this!
NJ K-12 Students Required To Mask Up At Start Of 2021-2022 School Year
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https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3
Less than 400 deaths under the age of 18 over a year and a half. 80% of the fatalities have been over 65. Need to research comorbidities overall.
Less than 400 deaths under the age of 18 over a year and a half. 80% of the fatalities have been over 65. Need to research comorbidities overall.
It's amazing how covid hysterics like Phil Murphy completely ignore the data when it comes to who is really at risk.
Do you think these decisions could turn voters away from Murphy? I sure hope so. I don't think the election will be close. But I hope I'm wrong. Are enough people in Jersey fed up with this?
That guy has no charisma. I can’t see how he persuades anyone to vote for him. His best chance is if Murphy screws up, not so much because he stepped up on anything.
Most D’s will vote with D’s regardless of the candidate. Same with most Rs.
Unfortunately no. There's way to many covid idiots in this state
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/
Interesting how low hospitalization rates are for school age children, especially because of their low vaccination rates (not approved for U12),
Interesting how low hospitalization rates are for school age children, especially because of their low vaccination rates (not approved for U12),
Interesting showing data leading up to Sept 2020...Its August 2021 now, so its lagging by 10 months.
Many confounders to your conclusion. For example...many kids around the country were more protected early on because no-one knew what we were dealing with.
So we had lot of virtual school, masking with in-person school, others masks around them in grocery stories etc, parents with more virtual work, parents being a little more careful in general in the fall and spring before and over the summer before school started, and oh yeah no Delta that is 2 to 4 times more transmittable (only the last 2 months and going strong).
While I agree it will still affect kids much less overall in terms of mortality and hospitalizations, expect those numbers to rise a lot especially less vaccinated communities and schools that won't have mandated masking for kids that can't be vaccinated.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html
Wasn’t trying to deceive at all. Here’s another more current review of hospitalization data that also shows school age children numbers have remained low even though a portion are eligible to be vaccinated.
Wasn’t trying to deceive at all. Here’s another more current review of hospitalization data that also shows school age children numbers have remained low even though a portion are eligible to be vaccinated.
My schools had masking for most of the year last school year. Despite that virtually everyone I know was doing some combination of: having their kids socialize with others or family outside of school with no mask; playing on playgrounds in town or going to the town pool (no masks); playing in sports leagues within town or outside town, again no mask.
All of this will continue to happen for most kids even if we require masks again at school. So I don’t get why masks will be required.
The Catholic Schools around us where in-person basically the whole year without masks for much of it. States like Florida had school all year without masks. Did I miss where this became a big problem last year? If they can do it, why can’t make local public elementary school now that all teachers can get the vaccine if they want.
This is our most important function for young kids and its BS IMO if they take this approach again.
All of this will continue to happen for most kids even if we require masks again at school. So I don’t get why masks will be required.
The Catholic Schools around us where in-person basically the whole year without masks for much of it. States like Florida had school all year without masks. Did I miss where this became a big problem last year? If they can do it, why can’t make local public elementary school now that all teachers can get the vaccine if they want.
This is our most important function for young kids and its BS IMO if they take this approach again.
If it’s delta or other variant hurting kids - if science shows that - then must go remote. Kids don’t distance or keep masks on properly, pick nose, rub eyes etc. The logic makes zero sense.
in addition to what u mention above
Murphy made a purely political move at this point
Didn't I tell you months ago kids will be masked up this school year? Also the governor will cave to the teachers union as well. I will be right again!
You can throw all the real hard data you want at people who think covid is the worst thing to ever happen, but they'll never change their minds. They want to live like this forever.
Correct. I predicted this months ago! We will be wearing masks for years to come. Give one opportunity for government to tell you what to do and they will never give it back. Turn back to the same channel next year. Kids will be wearing masks in the 2022-2023 school year as well.
Why would the CDC , almost every medical group, many companies, Biden admin, and most governors recommend masks on people or allow local governments to force masks on people if they didn’t think it was best for the health of its citizens?
Not one of these forces would be pushing masking if it wasn’t proven to help lower transmission and lower many of the other potential negative outcomes that come with that. Nobody likes masks in a vacuum. They aren’t winning a popularity contest by forcing masking on ppl and kids but are doing it to help others.
Are some of you the ones that believe masks don’t work? Are you the same individuals that pandered to the anti vax movement even though you have been proven wrong billions times over.
Masks work in reducing transmission (2nd best measure for all 12 and over, best for under 12). Masking is not a big deal for most people/kids to wear, they will help keep the world to go round (kids stay in school, kids don’t get sick, millions of parents wont need to take off interrupt their work to deal with the disruptions no masks would cause, and yes the long term health of kids is a huge concern for many as well even though some of you discount that factor frequently (even though you are okay fearmongering about vaccine safety and the vaccine long term affects).
Stop being part of the problem and stop being anti vaccine and anti mask and anti science in a pandemic. You folks are certainly on the wrong side of history here.
Not one of these forces would be pushing masking if it wasn’t proven to help lower transmission and lower many of the other potential negative outcomes that come with that. Nobody likes masks in a vacuum. They aren’t winning a popularity contest by forcing masking on ppl and kids but are doing it to help others.
Are some of you the ones that believe masks don’t work? Are you the same individuals that pandered to the anti vax movement even though you have been proven wrong billions times over.
Masks work in reducing transmission (2nd best measure for all 12 and over, best for under 12). Masking is not a big deal for most people/kids to wear, they will help keep the world to go round (kids stay in school, kids don’t get sick, millions of parents wont need to take off interrupt their work to deal with the disruptions no masks would cause, and yes the long term health of kids is a huge concern for many as well even though some of you discount that factor frequently (even though you are okay fearmongering about vaccine safety and the vaccine long term affects).
Stop being part of the problem and stop being anti vaccine and anti mask and anti science in a pandemic. You folks are certainly on the wrong side of history here.
Hi. Please provide peer reviewed study/CDC that confirms masks reduce transmission. Thank you!
Is this a serious question?
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
www.cdc.gov
Was out all day yesterday. I was wrong.
Pretty surprised he would make the move especially a month before school starts here.
It doesn't make much sense at all honestly.
As a parent, I am waiting to see what happens in Florida.
My kids go back a 5 weeks after Florida starts back up. If kids in Florida are able to go back to school while Covid is very prevalent there and there isn't a spike in kids being hospitalized, there is no reason for restrictions in schools here. If kids start getting sick there, then we will need adjust accordingly.
Because when one says something (for whatever reason - agenda, incompetence, good intentions or sinister), they all follow. There are no real leaders anymore. People (and companies) are too afraid to take a stand and go against the grain, even if it would be the right thing to do. An uninformed/ignorant public contributes to this as they demand these measures without understanding anything about them. Covid has been the ultimate example of groupthink.
States that had mask mandates vs. those that didn't showed no discernible difference in transmission.
Good luck expecting good data from Florida and kids.
Florida leads the nation in kids hospitalized for COVID
Another sign the delta variant has reignited the pandemic in Florida: Pediatric hospitals are admitting more infected children than ever.
DeSantis and school districts clash over masks as COVID-19 cases skyrocket in Florida
An executive order threatens to withhold funds from districts requiring masks.
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Good luck expecting good data from Florida and kids.
Florida leads the nation in kids hospitalized for COVID
Another sign the delta variant has reignited the pandemic in Florida: Pediatric hospitals are admitting more infected children than ever.www.tampabay.com
The number of new pediatric admissions has been going up consistently which is concerning but still a very small percentage of kids overall. Just had to know if Delta is really more dangerous to kids or not.
If it’s already proven to be at least 2X more transmissible.
So what I am hearing from you is that you are okay letting kids get covid as long as they don’t become hospitalized/die. Am I off?
Assuming you have no issues with all the other potential long term affects of covid with kids, do you agree outbreaks could cause school, class, individual student disruptions. Then disrupting to parents work and businesses.
Or should we just let kids go to school positive to affect other kids and not worry about it?
Transmissible doesn't mean dangerous. It's the virus doing what it does to stay alive (mutating weaker and more contagious). The goal of a virus is to infect as many hosts as it can. When it encounters immunity (natural or artificial), it has to find an easier way to get to the host - that almost always results in a weaker, less virulent virus.
This is a good article. Almost like this journalists brother is a poster in this message board.
The Backstory: My brother is one of millions who won't get the COVID-19 vaccine. I asked why. Here are his reasons, my responses.
Overwhelming evidence shows vaccines save lives. But those against the shot are adamant in their beliefs. The biggest problem: Trust.
amp.usatoday.com
Not that far off, but I will clarify.
In my opinion, it seems that this variant is so contagious that you will either be vaccinated or get Covid, and in rare cases - both. From the studies I have seen, most kids who got infected were not getting it from other children but from home, even in areas where kids weren't wearing masks in school.
I'm not sure Delta is different yet in regards to child to child transmission.
It's entirely possible that this works its way through Florida in a matter of a few weeks and then it is over as a result of a more contagious but less harmful variant. It's also possible though that it works it's way through Florida in a matter of a few weeks and their hospitals get entirely overwhelmed and it impacts kids more than it had been and we will have to drastically change our views on the virus.
I just don't have a strong opinion one way or the other yet and I will be persuaded by what happens in Florida.
Those organizations goal is trying to prevent any children from getting Covid, which is fine, but not realistic, plus they do not take into account the loss of learning, loss of social interaction, etc, they are only worried about the disease.
While none of us want to see kids get sick, and obviously many would be devastated if kid got ill, we cannot and this will not prevent kids from getting covid or other diseases.
I also think way too early to make the call, one thing to say on table, but most NJ districts are 4-5 weeks away from starting, and at this point there has been no indication of higher child hospitalizations in NJ that I have seen.
Also, if already on tap, what is next? Hybrid, full virtual?
Here are studies cited from the CDCs K-12 guidelines that show kids do spread the virus BEFORE Delta which is more transmissible. Not sure it’s really a debate that kids can spread the disease to others including other kids.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
www.cdc.gov
- Goldstein E, Lipsitch M, Cevik M. On the Effect of Age on the Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Households, Schools, and the Community. J Infect Dis 2021;223(3):362-369. doi:10.1093/infdis/jiaa691
- Zhu Y, Bloxham CJ, Hulme KD, et al. A Meta-analysis on the Role of Children in Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 in Household Transmission Clusters. Clin Infect Dis2021;72(12):e1146-e1153. doi:10.1093/cid/ciaa1825
- Atherstone C, Siegel M, Schmitt-Matzen E, et al. SARS-CoV-2 Transmission Associated with High School Wrestling Tournaments – Florida, December 2020-January 2021. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 2021;70(4):141-143. doi:10.15585/mmwr.mm7004e4
- Lewis NM, Chu VT, Ye D, et al. Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in the United States. Clin Infect Dis 2020. doi:10.1093/cid/ciaa1166
- Szablewski CM, Chang KT, Brown MM, et al. SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Infection Among Attendees of an Overnight Camp – Georgia, June 2020. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep2020;69(31):1023-1025. doi:10.15585/mmwr.mm6931e1
is Disney World’s overall goal to prevent kids getting covid?
Why have many school districts implemented mask mandates themselves? Are they in the business of keeping social interactions up and learning?
Too early to make call? Maybe but trends almost everywhere in the country are getting worse as of late and that’s with great vaccines, knowledge and treatment available. How do you think it will affect all the unvaccinated kids pushed into a rooms of 30 or more without masks? Will it make the rates better or worse?
It hard to believe there is more folks that are worried about long term complications of a vaccine than kids contracting and spreading covid and all it’s potential consequences (short term and longterm).
As far as what is next or on tap, it’s 5 days a week in person school done safely so there isn’t any disruptions and forced virtual school. Nobody wants that, we are trying to prevent that by masking up.
Mask are proven safe and effective at reducing transmission and is not taking away kids from being in school or their civil liberties. It’s just protecting the kids.
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Here is a study from Israel on the topic that showed children under 10 were not spreading Covid, but children 10-19 were.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...ferral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=042621
We need to differentiate ages here. Kids over 12 have the opportunity to be vaccinated now, so if your child is over 12 and you are concerned about the virus. They should be vaccinated.
Kids under 12 child to child transmission has been very low so far. That may change with Delta.
I don't disagree that we should be concerned about the long term effects of Covid, but at the same time if Delta is more transmissible and your goal is no cases among kids... Kids really just shouldn't be in school with or without masks.
This is a good article. Almost like this journalists brother is a poster in this message board.
The Backstory: My brother is one of millions who won't get the COVID-19 vaccine. I asked why. Here are his reasons, my responses.
Overwhelming evidence shows vaccines save lives. But those against the shot are adamant in their beliefs. The biggest problem: Trust.amp.usatoday.com
Interesting read. I generally agree with the reporters brother. The first concern about long-term effects years down the road is my primary worry. The reporter pointed out that they went through trials, but that doesn't mean anything when it comes to the long-term. It is impossible to have a long-term trial for something that was developed last year. If you take the vaccine, you're taking a gamble (however small or great) and hoping that there aren't any effects years down the road. Each person should evaluate their own risk tolerance.
The concern about politicians selling it aggressively is valid. The more government wants me to take something, the more skeptical I will be. There has to be a catch. He's also right about FDA approval, although that won't change my calculus. Of course it's going to be approved, there is too much political pressure not to.
I found it funny how the article raises questions about natural immunity when the long-term immunity from vaccines is now coming into question with the talk of boosters. It's disingenuous to question one without questioning the other. It's not like if you take the vaccine you're protected forever.
Choosing what to put in your body is a fundamental human right that should never be compromised by any individual or any entity. That's a non-negotiable.
17,000 pediatric hospitalizations out of 4.2 million cases over a year-plus is nothing to be concerned about. It's less than one half of one percent.
As Gov. Cuomo said in June, if you are vaccinated, you don't have to worry about catching covid from an unvaccinated person. You are protected. So if you are vaccinated, what are you worrying about? Unvaccinated don't pose a risk to you.
https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/20...e-thats-their-problem-if-they-catch-covid-19/
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My goal is to have in person school safely with using proven mitigation methods that don’t eliminate but reduce spread.
I don’t understand why 1) that many here think kids will either get covid or be vaccinated so want to give up on a proven way to reduce spread? And 2) why it seems like everyone is okay with letting kids get covid?
I wish I my kids were 12 or older, than I wouldn’t have to count on others caring about public health and humanity as much.
Do you think the CDC wanted to flip flop the mask guidance in schools? Obviously they think kids can and will transmit more with Delta in US with the data they provided on their website and their actions.
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