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NJ K-12 Students Required To Mask Up At Start Of 2021-2022 School Year

My goal is to have in person school safely with using proven mitigation methods that don’t eliminate but reduce spread.

I don’t understand why 1) that many here think kids will either get covid or be vaccinated so want to give up on a proven way to reduce spread? And 2) why it seems like everyone is okay with letting kids get covid?

I get what you're saying. I just don't have a strong opinion here because what happens in Florida will have a large impact on my view.

If they see no increase in cases among kids in schools then that would be strong evidence we don't need any mitigating steps here. If there is a large increase in cases, but not hospitalizations then that would be an argument for mitigating steps. If they see a large increase in cases and hospitalizations then that would be a strong argument for virtual schooling until kids are vaccinated.
 
Interesting read. I generally agree with the reporters brother. The first concern about long-term effects years down the road is my primary worry. The reporter pointed out that they went through trials, but that doesn't mean anything when it comes to the long-term. It is impossible to have a long-term trial for something that was developed last year. If you take the vaccine, you're taking a gamble (however small or great) and hoping that there aren't any effects years down the road. Each person should evaluate their own risk tolerance.

The concern about politicians selling it aggressively is valid. The more government wants me to take something, the more skeptical I will be. There has to be a catch. He's also right about FDA approval, although that won't change my calculus. Of course it's going to be approved, there is too much political pressure not to.

I found it funny how the article raises questions about natural immunity when the long-term immunity from vaccines is now coming into question with the talk of boosters. It's disingenuous to question one without questioning the other. It's not like if you take the vaccine you're protected forever.

Choosing what to put in your body is a fundamental human right that should never be compromised by any individual or any entity. That's a non-negotiable.

17,000 pediatric hospitalizations out of 4.2 million cases over a year-plus is nothing to be concerned about. It's less than one half of one percent.

As Gov. Cuomo said in June, if you are vaccinated, you don't have to worry about catching covid from an unvaccinated person. You are protected. So if you are vaccinated, what are you worrying about? Unvaccinated don't pose a risk to you.

https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/20...e-thats-their-problem-if-they-catch-covid-19/
thought you would like it since the guy has many of your viewpoints.

cuomo and many other leaders said the same thing, even merge, haha. I would have even agree that the vaccinated are good to go. Data changed with Delta. Also I’m worried about my unvaccinated kids not myself so even then I was sacrificing.


FYI, Biden just left me a voicemail. He said the federal government doesn’t want shu09 to get the vaccine, eat healthy food or drink clean water. It’s a mandate to drink soda and smoke unfiltered cigarettes every day Pass it on.
 
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I wish I my kids were 12 or older, than I wouldn’t have to count on others caring about public health and humanity as much.

Do you think the CDC wanted to flip flop the mask guidance in schools? Obviously they think kids can and will transmit more with Delta in US with the data they provided on their website and their actions.

My kids are under 12 as well. Seeing how they and their friends wear their masks, I'm not really optimistic about them not getting Covid if Delta really is more contagious from child to child.

I won't feel any level of added comfort at all with a mask vs without one honestly... and I was probably the biggest mask advocate here.
 
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My kids are under 12 as well. Seeing how they and their friends wear their masks, I'm not really optimistic about them not getting Covid if Delta really is more contagious from child to child.

I won't feel any level of added comfort at all with a mask vs without one honestly... and I was probably the biggest mask advocate here.
What changed?

even cloth masks not fitted, not worn all the time or appropriately, it still helps reduce spread when everyone has them on.

To me even if it prevents one kid per day from sneezing or coughing particles all over the class room would help.
 
cuomo and many other leaders said the same thing, even merge, haha. I would have even agree that the vaccinated are good to go. Data changed with Delta. Also I’m worried about my unvaccinated kids not myself so even then I was sacrificing.

Considering most adults are vaccinated but make up like 3% of Covid hospitalizations, the vaccinated are still good to go.

No vaccine is 100% effective but...

70% of adults represents about 1,500 current Covid hospitalizations.
30% of adults represents about 46,500 current Covid hospitalizations.

Nothing in life comes without risk, but if you are vaccinated the chances of getting hospitalized with Covid are extremely low.
 
Considering most adults are vaccinated but make up like 3% of Covid hospitalizations, the vaccinated are still good to go.

No vaccine is 100% effective but...

70% of adults represents about 1,500 current Covid hospitalizations.
30% of adults represents about 46,500 current Covid hospitalizations.

Nothing in life comes without risk, but if you are vaccinated the chances of getting hospitalized with Covid are extremely low.
100% agree on one’s own consequences if youre vaccinated. You should feel like you are still safe. But pandemic isn’t over if you have unvaccinated folks around you.

I was hinting at the big change, not how Delta is more transmissible. The big change IMHO, was now vaccinated can pass it to others especially unvaccinated.

Personal protection with vaccines still rock solid with Delta.

Again, I’ve been vaccinated since the first week in Feb, healthy and running 7 minute miles, im not worried about me.
 
What changed?

even cloth masks not fitted, not worn all the time or appropriately, it still helps reduce spread when everyone has them on.

To me even if it prevents one kid per day from sneezing or coughing particles all over the class room would help.

Nothing changed yet and that's kind of my point. Murphy made the call a while ago to let districts decide.
He should have stuck with that until there was some kind of data to support changing his view. I just don't see a difference in NJ today vs when he made that call.

Again, I may drastically change my view depending on what happens in Florida. In my opinion, Murphy should have done the same.
 
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

Wasn’t trying to deceive at all. Here’s another more current review of hospitalization data that also shows school age children numbers have remained low even though a portion are eligible to be vaccinated.
I’m hopeful they stay low but not optimistic.

If you carve out just Florida hospitalizations in the last few weeks, not only is volume increasing greatly but the % of lower age groups as well. Schools won’t help that.

When do/does Florida public schools start?
 
Nothing changed yet and that's kind of my point. Murphy made the call a while ago to let districts decide.
He should have stuck with that until there was some kind of data to support changing his view. I just don't see a difference in NJ today vs when he made that call.

Again, I may drastically change my view depending on what happens in Florida. In my opinion, Murphy should have done the same.
I don’t live in NJ so I don’t know Murphy as well as you do, but do you think the nationwide rise in cases, more transmissible Delta, AAP recommendations and CDC K-12 re-opening plan and guidance is enough to make the change to mandating masks during the summer? We can’t wait for school to begin to make change and need to give parents and schools time to digest change.


My Governor left it to the school districts and I’m happy to say my school district choose to require masks in public schools following guidance of smarter people than them.

Is it better to mandate masks or mandate you can’t allow school districts or schools to mandate masks (Florida and Texas! Formally Arkansas and Louisiana I think). Either way you have politicians who not a public health expect, playing politics. But one is not following the public health experts.

While neither mandate option seems good at face value (in a perfect would prob should leave up to school system like my state did) most school systems are fearful to mandate it themselves or receive the wrath of angry parents…with the Governor doing it, this way the schools and their system can say, it’s a requirement and we are forced to enforce it, take it up with the Governor. This way it doesn’t make teachers the bad guys.

im sure my local school system is getting some hate mail right now from a minority but vocal parents. If our Governor mandated masks the burden of blowback will be passed to him.
 
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Was out all day yesterday. I was wrong.
Pretty surprised he would make the move especially a month before school starts here.

It doesn't make much sense at all honestly.

As a parent, I am waiting to see what happens in Florida.
My kids go back a 5 weeks after Florida starts back up. If kids in Florida are able to go back to school while Covid is very prevalent there and there isn't a spike in kids being hospitalized, there is no reason for restrictions in schools here. If kids start getting sick there, then we will need adjust accordingly.
Exactly right IMHO
 
I don’t live in NJ so I don’t know Murphy as well as you do but do you think the nationwide rise in cases, more transmissible Delta, AAP recommendations and CDC K-12 re-opening plan and guidance is enough to make the change to mandating masks?

throw in the fact that cloth masks not always worn right, as you say, protect others more than themselves?

Our Governor left it to the school districts and I’m happy to say my school district choose to requiring masks in public schools.
Why would the CDC , almost every medical group, many companies, Biden admin, and most governors recommend masks on people or allow local governments to force masks on people if they didn’t think it was best for the health of its citizens?

Not one of these forces would be pushing masking if it wasn’t proven to help lower transmission and lower many of the other potential negative outcomes that come with that. Nobody likes masks in a vacuum. They aren’t winning a popularity contest by forcing masking on ppl and kids but are doing it to help others.

Are some of you the ones that believe masks don’t work? Are you the same individuals that pandered to the anti vax movement even though you have been proven wrong billions times over.

Masks work in reducing transmission (2nd best measure for all 12 and over, best for under 12). Masking is not a big deal for most people/kids to wear, they will help keep the world to go round (kids stay in school, kids don’t get sick, millions of parents wont need to take off interrupt their work to deal with the disruptions no masks would cause, and yes the long term health of kids is a huge concern for many as well even though some of you discount that factor frequently (even though you are okay fearmongering about vaccine safety and the vaccine long term affects).

Stop being part of the problem and stop being anti vaccine and anti mask and anti science in a pandemic. You folks are certainly on the wrong side of history here.

Good for you. Others have a different view on masking children.

There’s one maybe two people here who didn’t take vax so not sure what you’re getting at

What’s the death rate at? Death rate for children? Any children have long term effects from Covid? Higher death rate with variants? Higher death rates for unvaccinated variants? Serious unanswered questions.

Also, why isn’t there EUA for children under 12? 6 children under 12 in my family have antibodies ….never got sick

Again, if the variant is causing severe issues with children then more than masks have is required (notwithstanding that masking children is lip stick on a pig, particularly those under 12 - not to mention teenagers who might wear it for a school day - usually not the case - and then after school are off doing other stuff). Back to remote is the answer.

I remember when the government said we’d be back to normal when they said everyone who wants the vax gets the vax….
 
What changed?

even cloth masks not fitted, not worn all the time or appropriately, it still helps reduce spread when everyone has them on.

To me even if it prevents one kid per day from sneezing or coughing particles all over the class room would help.
I don’t at all follow that logic
 
don’t live in NJ so I don’t know Murphy as well as you do, but do you think the nationwide rise in cases, more transmissible Delta, AAP recommendations and CDC K-12 re-opening plan and guidance is enough to make the change to mandating masks during the summer? We can’t wait for school to begin to make change and need to give parents and schools time to digest change.


My Governor left it to the school districts and I’m happy to say my school district choose to require masks in public schools following guidance of smarter people than them.

Our school district is in two towns.
Fanwood - 92% of adults 18+ vaccinated
Scotch Plains - 89% of adults 18+ vaccinated

The people here were pretty much all on board with the vaccine being the tool to end this, but will still have to have their kids wear masks? Doesn't really make much sense in my opinion.

Like I said, if something happens in Florida that changes the data - so be it.
As of today, I do not see a need to mandate masks in all NJ schools.
 
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I remember when the government said we’d be back to normal when they said everyone who wants the vax gets the vax….
Your mistake was believing what the government said. It is never that simple with the government. Once it saw how much money its buddies could make on this, it became harder to let go of.

Given the fact that 1) vaccinated people can spread the virus and 2) a majority of adults are vaccinated, it makes zero sense to have any restrictions continuing. Vaccine mandates do not protect the community because vaccinated can still spread it. Unvaccinated assume the risk and we move on. End of story. But this is government you're talking about, never let a good "crisis" go to waste...
 
I don’t live in NJ so I don’t know Murphy as well as you do, but do you think the nationwide rise in cases, more transmissible Delta, AAP recommendations and CDC K-12 re-opening plan and guidance is enough to make the change to mandating masks during the summer? We can’t wait for school to begin to make change and need to give parents and schools time to digest change.


My Governor left it to the school districts and I’m happy to say my school district choose to require masks in public schools following guidance of smarter people than them.

Is it better to mandate masks or mandate you can’t allow school districts or schools to mandate masks (Florida and Texas! Formally Arkansas and Louisiana I think). Either way you have politicians who not a public health expect, playing politics. But one is not following the public health experts.

While neither mandate option seems good at face value (in a perfect would prob should leave up to school system like my state did) most school systems are fearful to mandate it themselves or receive the wrath of angry parents…with the Governor doing it, this way the schools and their system can say, it’s a requirement and we are forced to enforce it, take it up with the Governor. This way it doesn’t make teachers the bad guys.

im sure my local school system is getting some hate mail right now from a minority but vocal parents. If our Governor mandated masks the burden of blowback will be passed to him.
As a fellow parent of young kids, I understand your perspective on this. My view differs. I'm not an anti-masker; I have worn masks whenever required, as have my kids. I'm not anti-vaccine; in fact earlier this week I just got my first shot, and my wife has been vaccinated for months. She got it earlier than me because of medical reasons. I did not, as I've posted here before, because of various factors (age, risk profile, health -- which is excellent, exercise -- regularly, no one I'm around on a regular basis with significant health conditions who cannot be vaccinated or would warrant me getting it, working remotely now a year-and-a-half, etc). I'm going to start traveling more and going into NYC more in the fall, and with that plus the Delta variant, I decided to get it. I don't know if it was the right call or not for my current situation, but that's where I landed.

For my young kids, I feel strongly there is more of a long term detriment to them having to wear masks every in school compared to the risk of them becoming seriously ill or god forbid dying from COVID. One of my kids has a speech-related issue, and having to wear that mask has absolutely impacted his development in that area. I think young kids learn more from interaction, facial expressions and the like, than they do from the curriculum at the elementary school level. I think "gaps" in the latter can ultimately be taught or addressed; I think the "gaps" related to the impact on the former is uncertain.

I've read multiple peer-review studies, thought-pieces or analyzes from credible sources which speculate that the long term harm for young kids wearing masks in school -- and what they have missed out or will miss out on -- may outweigh, in the aggregate, the potential health risk related to COVID. I've seen Catholic Schools and schools in other states go literally an entire year without masks and there not being a huge health issue for our young kids who did that. All of that gives me comfort. I also find it pointless, to some degree, because since last summer many kids in my area (Bergen County) who have had to wear masks in school all day are socializing and interacting outside of school without masks on -- with their friends and family, through town rec sports or travel teams, and the like. I don't understand why my 9-year old son has to wear a mask in school, but can spend all day at the town pool without one, or can spend the past year playing against other soccer teams from downstate NY and various towns in NJ without one, even though there is close personal interaction, unmaskless, associated with these activities.

I also don't understand why a school can't make mask wearing optional. Let parents who have a greater health concern, like you, have their kids wear masks. But allow me with my concerns to send mine without. The teachers, especially the older ones, all are likely vaccinated at this point or have that option, and so they are protected.
 
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Good for you. Others have a different view on masking children.

There’s one maybe two people here who didn’t take vax so not sure what you’re getting at

What’s the death rate at? Death rate for children? Any children have long term effects from Covid? Higher death rate with variants? Higher death rates for unvaccinated variants? Serious unanswered questions.

Also, why isn’t there EUA for children under 12? 6 children under 12 in my family have antibodies ….never got sick

Again, if the variant is causing severe issues with children then more than masks have is required (notwithstanding that masking children is lip stick on a pig, particularly those under 12 - not to mention teenagers who might wear it for a school day - usually not the case - and then after school are off doing other stuff). Back to remote is the answer.

I remember when the government said we’d be back to normal when they said everyone who wants the vax gets the vax….
I can see that others have opposing views on masks, that don’t follow most of our country’s medical experts.

There were ppl that got the vax and still spread antivax sentiment on the board (much like some politicians did to the detriment of those that listened). Also many on this board, who were originally against vax got it as well.

Yes the death rate data looks better for kids than adults, and so far with hospitalizations as well (before Delta). We know so much more than before, better prophylactic treatments and vaccines, most of older populations and at risk groups vaccinated. Overall death rates will stay low, at least lower than any peak of pandemic in most places.

EUA for kids 5-11 expected in Oct/Nov. Full FDA approval expected in next two months as well.

Who whole issue if youhave already had covid and your overall protection levels compared to fully vaccinated individuals seems debatable but CDC still recommends vaccine because they believe will be more protected.

I remember when it was ok to smoke in planes and drinking lots of orange juice everyday was healthy (too much sugar in case to I didn’t know).
 
As a fellow parent of young kids, I understand your perspective on this. My view differs. I'm not an anti-masker; I have worn masks whenever required, as have my kids. I'm not anti-vaccine; in fact earlier this week I just got my first shot, and my wife has been vaccinated for months. She got it earlier than me because of medical reasons. I did not, as I've posted here before, because of various factors (age, risk profile, health -- which is excellent, exercise -- regularly, no one I'm around on a regular basis with significant health conditions who cannot be vaccinated or would warrant me getting it, working remotely now a year-and-a-half, etc). I'm going to start traveling more and going into NYC more in the fall, and with that plus the Delta variant, I decided to get it. I don't know if it was the right call or not for my current situation, but that's where I landed.

For my young kids, I feel strongly there is more of a long term detriment to them having to wear masks every in school compared to the risk of them becoming seriously ill or god forbid dying from COVID. One of my kids has a speech-related issue, and having to wear that mask has absolutely impacted his development in that area. I think young kids learn more from interaction, facial expressions and the like, than they do from the curriculum at the elementary school level. I think "gaps" in the latter can ultimately be taught or addressed; I think the "gaps" related to the impact on the former is uncertain.

I've read multiple peer-review studies, thought-pieces or analyzes from credible sources which speculate that the long term harm for young kids wearing masks in school -- and what they have missed out or will miss out on -- may outweigh, in the aggregate, the potential health risk related to COVID. I've seen Catholic Schools and schools in other states go literally an entire year without masks and there not being a huge health issue for our young kids who did that. All of that gives me comfort. I also find it pointless, to some degree, because since last summer many kids in my area (Bergen County) who have had to wear masks in school all day are socializing and interacting outside of school without masks on -- with their friends and family, through town rec sports or travel teams, and the like. I don't understand why my 9-year old son has to wear a mask in school, but can spend all day at the town pool without one, or can spend the past year playing against other soccer teams from downstate NY and various towns in NJ without one, even though there is close personal interaction, unmaskless, associated with these activities.

I also don't understand why a school can't make mask wearing optional. Let parents who have a greater health concern, like you, have their kids wear masks. But allow me with my concerns to send mine without. The teachers, especially the older ones, all are likely vaccinated at this point or have that option, and so they are protected.
lots of outdoor sports are great, if school was mostly outside, I wouldn’t think masks would be that helpful either. Alas school is mostly indoors.

I have yet to read any credible studies that show the long term consequences of wearing masks outweighs the benefits. Since we don’t know long term issues of either masking or a noval virus, I would go with the viewpoint of the American Academy of Pediatriciams and CDC and hope they lead me the right way.

I’ ve always stated that special Ed, speech development and other specific student types should be exempted and accommodated to. One of the worse communities is probably the deaf students if you really think about it (can’t read lips).

Cloth masks don’t protect the wearer as much as it protects others so this whole train of thought that you can just have individual students wear a mask if they want and other not doesn’t get much traction from me.
 
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So you are against both the Governor and local public school systems mandating masks or just the Governor universally enforcing it and letting higher risk community schools and schools systems mandate it?

yeah, if the risk is higher in a certain district I wouldn’t argue with it but I think Murphy is wrong for mandating it through the state when the risk of transmission in certain areas is extremely low.
 
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yeah, if the risk is higher in a certain district I wouldn’t argue with it but I think Murphy is wrong for mandating it through the state when the risk of transmission in certain areas is extremely low.
Im with you. I don’t think there should be a mandatory masking policy at this point in time. Unless, I see evidence that Delta is now affecting kids more seriously.

Any mandate should be the teachers being vaxed. Their stance on that is abhorrent. Anyway, at this point in time, I just don’t have much sympathy for those who are unvaccinated and get sick and hospitalized.
 
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If they make this school year difficult for parents you’ll see an ever bigger exodus from the state. We just want our kids back in school being normal and learning. Masks, constant testing and virtual school isn’t going to fly for another school year.
 
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I’m hopeful they stay low but not optimistic.

If you carve out just Florida hospitalizations in the last few weeks, not only is volume increasing greatly but the % of lower age groups as well. Schools won’t help that.

When do/does Florida public schools start?
Until the data is material, I don’t see anyl risk to younger people. If hospitalizations in that age group go up, then we can have a conversation.
 
Until the data is material, I don’t see anyl risk to younger people. If hospitalizations in that age group go up, then we can have a conversation.
Yeah that’s not the strategy I would incorporate, wait till a lot to kids get sick then change strategy.

But I guess it’s true that Florida kids will be the control group in that experiment, Jersey kids will be the treatment group.
 
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Yeah that’s not the strategy I would incorporate, wait till a lot to kids get sick then change strategy.

But I guess it’s true that Florida kids will be the control group in that experiment, Jersey kids will be the treatment group.

That is true.

I’m hoping for the best but I’m glad I don’t need to go first.
 
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Yeah that’s not the strategy I would incorporate, wait till a lot to kids get sick then change strategy.

But I guess it’s true that Florida kids will be the control group in that experiment, Jersey kids will be the treatment group.
Way to oversimplify. You watch the data closely and look for trends. Then you act. There are no trains right now suggesting that children are at higher risk.
 
Fact Check:The president is lying

Just curious. Is there any relevance to this post?

I’m no Biden fan and he has his senior moments often but I’m sure you could beat your record of pages in one individual thread topic if the thread was dedicated to how many times the former president lied or was incorrect on camera.
 
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Just curious. Is there any relevance to this post?

I’m no Biden fan and he has his senior moments often but I’m sure you could beat your record of pages in one individual thread topic if the thread was dedicated to how many times the former president lied or was incorrect on camera.

You don't think its a concern the president of the united states thinks 350 million Americans are Vaccinated?
 
Your mistake was believing what the government said. It is never that simple with the government. Once it saw how much money its buddies could make on this, it became harder to let go of.

Given the fact that 1) vaccinated people can spread the virus and 2) a majority of adults are vaccinated, it makes zero sense to have any restrictions continuing. Vaccine mandates do not protect the community because vaccinated can still spread it. Unvaccinated assume the risk and we move on. End of story. But this is government you're talking about, never let a good "crisis" go to waste...
I made no mistake that you describe. I did incorrectly predict Covid would be over in media eyes when he won, hence your points

someone please explain death rates again
 
I can see that others have opposing views on masks, that don’t follow most of our country’s medical experts.

There were ppl that got the vax and still spread antivax sentiment on the board (much like some politicians did to the detriment of those that listened). Also many on this board, who were originally against vax got it as well.

Yes the death rate data looks better for kids than adults, and so far with hospitalizations as well (before Delta). We know so much more than before, better prophylactic treatments and vaccines, most of older populations and at risk groups vaccinated. Overall death rates will stay low, at least lower than any peak of pandemic in most places.

EUA for kids 5-11 expected in Oct/Nov. Full FDA approval expected in next two months as well.

Who whole issue if youhave already had covid and your overall protection levels compared to fully vaccinated individuals seems debatable but CDC still recommends vaccine because they believe will be more protected.

I remember when it was ok to smoke in planes and drinking lots of orange juice everyday was healthy (too much sugar in case to I didn’t know).
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??? No one has spread anti vax sentiment here (PS, nice use of a CNN catch phrase). Questions about the vax is not anti vax sentiment.

the only sentiment that’s contrary to you is some reluctance

some don’t blindly listen to gov sponsored commercials

I listened to a private doc from Langone and will again when fam asks my thoughts when they want to jab 7 year olds
 
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Way to oversimplify. You watch the data closely and look for trends. Then you act. There are no trains right now suggesting that children are at higher risk.
Yup that’s what you do. Rates are rising you protect kids. The unvaccinated are at higher risk, most kids unvaccinated.

Speaking of Florida and trends. Reported 175 or so deaths this week and actual was closer to 700 deaths? Hopefully an innocent mistake.

Maybe the covid data from Florida is as accurate as the data from China?

 
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You don't think its a concern the president of the united states thinks 350 million Americans are Vaccinated?
Nope. Unfortunately, I’m conditioned to seeing the president lying or being inaccurate on video.

Why is it important to you? Did it change his message somehow?
 
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