NJ K-12 Students Required To Mask Up At Start Of 2021-2022 School Year
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when someone who is not of sound mind it’s concerning. When they are our President it concerns some too
Disagreeing with what someone says does not make that “opponent” of one’s not of sound mind notwithstanding what CNN suggested in 18-19-ish
Stumbling and fumbling changes a message, plea, negotiation, ask, etc
Murphy’s Republican opponent slams plan to mandate masks in N.J. schools
Gov. Phil Murphy is slated to make the announcement — which has been the recommendation of health officials — Friday afternoon.
All this has nothing to do with school age hospitalizations or deaths. Rising rates sure, but where is the data that shows kids are at risk for anything serious?
You are correct that school age hospitalizations and deaths haven’t dramatically grown but it has grown even before school has started, I think there is less than a week till public school starts in Florida.
Hall85 is there an unacceptable level of hospitalizations of kids in Florida for you? At what point would you say “hey maybe we should have protected this group of people who can’t be vaccinated (largely) and are our future?” What amount of morbidity among our youth is too much for you?
Weren’t Florida kids, by and large, in school last year for a full days without masks? My company has offices there and every colleague I spoke to told me that was basically the case down there. If so, isn’t that data relevant? I get there is an added wrinkle now with Delta and that hospitalizations are going up, but wouldn’t what actually happened in Florida last year be relevant to the discussion?
Do you think these kids have been isolated for a year and a half? And many (U12) have never been vaccinated. The original strain and variants have had virtually no effect on hospitalizations or deaths since the start. I’ll leave what’s “acceptable” to the statisticians.
Definitely relevant. That’s really what I’m waiting to see.
We know pediatric hospitalizations per day and total pediatric hospitalizations are at their high for the state. That could be a function of a more transmissible variant working its way through the population more quickly or (and?) that this variant impacts children more than previous variants.
I’m not convinced either way there yet, but if it does impact kids more, that is going to change everything honestly.
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Dems widen it more than R and it’s why I shifted from a Union dem to a R because Rs are more like the old school dems
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@Merge @King of S Hospitalizations are spiking in a quick fashion in NJ. Murphy did mention there is a spike in vaccinated patients that are hospitalized as well. My doctor friend mentioned this is this is the first time Murphy mentioned vaccinated patients that are in the he hospital due to covid. Something to watch!
www.nj.com
N.J. announces 1,476 new COVID cases, 9 additional deaths as hospitalizations jump again
Gov. Murphy tweeted out the latest numbers on Saturday afternoon.
They werent isolated but they were much more protected then than now plus most kids in Florida wore masks most of the last year and half so there is that.
Add in the fact that masks work best to protect others not the actual wearer…unless they are fitted pediatric n95 type masks which do not exist for kids.
This isn’t the original strain, at least 2x more transmissible and scary enough for CDC, and others drastically switch guidelines.
Can’t say virtually no deaths and hospitalizations when there have been so there is a number of death and hospitalizations you are ok with so kids won’t be required to wear those damn “unamerican”masks which are their best bet prevent infection save they get a vaccine approved for them.
FYI, pediatric hospitalizations in Florida are now dramatically growing (highest in under 12). Let me know when they reach your threshold of an acceptable amount of hospitalizations before schools should be allowed to protect kids as much as possible with inperson schooling.
Florida children’s hospitals see pediatric COVID-19 cases soar
The number of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among children is rising in Florida as the state faces a surge in cases due in part to the spread of the highly transmissible delta variant of the c…
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Wash, rinse, repeat. I’ll follow the data and right now I don’t see a reason for these kids to mask up.They werent isolated but they were much more protected then than now plus most kids in Florida wore masks most of the last year and half so there is that.
Add in the fact that masks work best to protect others not the actual wearer…unless they are fitted pediatric n95 type masks which do not exist for kids.
This isn’t the original strain, at least 2x more transmissible and scary enough for CDC, and others drastically switch guidelines.
Can’t say virtually no deaths and hospitalizations when there have been so there is a number of death and hospitalizations you are ok with so kids won’t be required to wear those damn “unamerican”masks which are their best bet prevent infection save they get a vaccine approved for them.
FYI, pediatric hospitalizations in Florida are now dramatically growing (highest in under 12). Let me know when they reach your threshold of an acceptable amount of hospitalizations before schools should be allowed to protect kids as much as possible with inperson schooling.
Florida children’s hospitals see pediatric COVID-19 cases soar
The number of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among children is rising in Florida as the state faces a surge in cases due in part to the spread of the highly transmissible delta variant of the c…thehill.com
What would the data look like to make you change your opinion?
Number of pediatric cases, severity, comorbitities, and length of stay.
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Can you quantify it though? About 2 million kinds under 12 are starting school this week in Florida.
Fwiw, I agree that the data doesn’t support it at this point but I’d be pretty quick to flip that switch when it comes to kids.
Bill Cassidy on CNN this morning, a conservative, says he disagrees with DeSantis on if local communities should impose masking as needed
Too many factors to quantify each/all. Minuscule right now, even though the MSM is trying to make it an issue.
Both are true that it is minuscule but higher than it has been since the start of the pandemic.
Not sure how long they can watch it get worse (if it does) before they need to make a change.
It’s not materially higher. Scare tactics right now. You would think government agencies would have a plan ready to go if the needle actually moves.
Scare tactics? Facts 2x more transmissible than before, kids not vaccinated, mask reduce transmission. Hospitalizations sky rocketing, pediatric cases growing before school even starts. Looks like you are as stubborn as ever.
Super glad you are not in charge of anything related to public health. I mean first you promoted vaccine hesitantly to members on this board (wrong side of history already there buddy), then you would not admit that medical workers didn’t have enough n95 masks in beginning of pandemic (super stubborn and 100% wrong), now against protecting kids in schools with the highest rates in county (super cold).
0-3 in my book buddy. Nobody should be listening to you ever.
FYI, every state government in US except Texas and Florida are not letting school districts and schools mandate masks. The needle has moved and government agency have already reacted. Unless you want the federal government to be more invasive and override state laws which seems like a solution no one would want.
Super glad you are not in charge of anything related to public health. I mean first you promoted vaccine hesitantly to members on this board (wrong side of history already there buddy), then you would not admit that medical workers didn’t have enough n95 masks in beginning of pandemic (super stubborn and 100% wrong), now against protecting kids in schools with the highest rates in county (super cold).
0-3 in my book buddy. Nobody should be listening to you ever.
FYI, every state government in US except Texas and Florida are not letting school districts and schools mandate masks. The needle has moved and government agency have already reacted. Unless you want the federal government to be more invasive and override state laws which seems like a solution no one would want.
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You are so misinformed. Most states are leaving it up to districts. Here’s one. https://www.pennlive.com/coronaviru...a-schools-gov-wolf-and-key-officials-say.html
And I know this will make you unhappy, but I am directly responsible for public health. But then again, you don’t even have my positions characterized correctly. You don’t even know how to keep score.
@HALL85 Very scary new developments coming from our medical health experts. One doctor said these coming months could be the darkest yet in this pandemic. I warned this board the worst is yet to come. But @Merge told me COVID would be a non story but more of a global story this summer. However the worst is yet to come in this country pandemic wise.
www.cnn.com
'All the beds are taken up by Covid victims': Hospitals in the South are running out of space or staff | CNN
Covid-19 hospitalizations are reaching all-time highs in parts of the South, with some patients unable to get the care they would normally receive.
Lol...wrong again. Posters on this board can validate what I do, but it really doesn’t matter because it’s clear you don’t even understand my positions. Just to repeat:
- I believe people should make their own decision on vaccinating based on their own risk factors and research.
- The public never had access to masks that were in the healthcare supply channel, so the suggestion for the public to save masks for healthcare workers was incorrect.
- Monitor school age hospitalizations, severity, LOS and fatalities before taking masking or remote learning-because the data right now shows they are at minimal risk for seriousness of symptoms.
You don’t like my positions? Fine. But accuracy is not your friend. Probably why you tout the MSM.
- I believe people should make their own decision on vaccinating based on their own risk factors and research.
- The public never had access to masks that were in the healthcare supply channel, so the suggestion for the public to save masks for healthcare workers was incorrect.
- Monitor school age hospitalizations, severity, LOS and fatalities before taking masking or remote learning-because the data right now shows they are at minimal risk for seriousness of symptoms.
You don’t like my positions? Fine. But accuracy is not your friend. Probably why you tout the MSM.
This is a pattern with HallBall02. He will pretend to want to comment in good faith but then the personal attacks and cheap shots happen when it comes to people he disagrees with. Classic sign of an extremest on the wrong side of an argument.
I’d hope so, but then again Desantis was actively trying to prevent districts from mandating masks in Florida. Would seem to make sense to have different rules in different districts depending on the circumstances (same for NJ btw). Also high school students can be vaccinated, so I don’t see a need for any restrictions in high schools.
Not sure what defines material as far as kids under 12. Again, I agree that the numbers are currently small. I hope it stays that way, but the numbers for kids are trending the wrong way and they are the worst they have been since this started.
It’s one thing if it is because Delta is more contagious. It’s another of it is because kids get sicker with Delta. That would really change everything.
Haha. There is absolutely no way Hall85 is involved directly with public health. Sorry but your boy is a flat out liar.
I am starting to believe this as well. My doctor friend told me there will be an August-October covid surge in NJ. 2,500 beds will need be needed by October 1 for covid patients. 5,000-6,000 beds. So far this prediction seems spot on. NJ cases are at 1000+ daily now. Hospitalizations are lagging indicator.
@HALL85 Had no idea about this and said the pandemic was over. I am starting to doubt his involvement with public health as well.
1) anyone can go back to the many posts of your anti-vax sentiment that you regurgitated on this board for months. You highlighted and enhanced all potential negative possibilities and conspiracies while undervalued all good reasons to get it, while knowing that the overwhelmingly majority of people would benefit from getting the vaccine like you did.
2) you said there wasn’t ever a shortage of n95 masks in hospitals. I was in hospitals, myself and coworkers had to reuse n95 masks for many days, those in less front line dept didn’t have them.
3) monitor how many more kids are getting Delta, monitor overall hospitalizations, understand CDC guidelines, does the CDC and AAP not know the data? Do you know more data than them? Kids are getting it, it’s true that % of death, hospitalizations are lower than adults but if you can prevent it’s spread in school and save lives, reduce, hospitalizations and reduce the need for shut downs due to outbreaks why wouldn’t you? You can tell you don’t have any school aged kids and are certainly not fit for public health.
@Merge @HallBall02 Also I will continue to say what I have been saying about Seton hall games this year. There will be no fans allowed again because of Delta/Lamboda or a limited capacity with mask requirements and temperature checks at the ticket entrance.
While safety (death, hospitalizations, long term effects, spreading it to others) are the most concerning issues regarding COVID in schools…what is lost is all the disruptions it can cause with their education.
Forced absence or remote learning is a real concern…this goes for individuals (happens much more often especially if you have good responsible parents testing and not sending kids sick (esp if known to be in contact) to school), pods, classes, and entire schools can be forced out of school for periods.
www.nj.com
Forced absence or remote learning is a real concern…this goes for individuals (happens much more often especially if you have good responsible parents testing and not sending kids sick (esp if known to be in contact) to school), pods, classes, and entire schools can be forced out of school for periods.
How many COVID cases will it take to quarantine a class, or shut down a school?
No one wants to think about closing schools before they’ve even reopened but with the Delta variant driving a surge in positive tests, it bears consideration.
Not surprisingly driven by regions 4 & 6...
What I am ultimately wondering though is in the last year year, we had millions of cases and 46,000 pediatric admissions due to Covid with 349 total deaths.
We identified about 4.2 million cases among children. About a 1% chance of being hospitalized of identified cases. (identified because we have no way of knowing how many there actually were)
A rate of about 1% of identified cases were hospitalized. Does that 1% stay consistent number start to change with Delta? Of those admitted to a hospital, about 0.8% have died. Does that number stay consistent or start to change with Delta? Are kids getting sicker? and if they are, are outcomes getting worse?
1) Wrong. I have always recommended people do what’s right for them.
2) Wrong. I never said that healthcare workers had more masks that they needed.
3) Wrong. I referenced multiple data points that indicated that school age hospitalizations and deaths are minuscule. AND That we should let the data determine any changes that should be made.
Feel free to use the search function and find where I have other wise indicated.
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