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NJ K-12 Students Required To Mask Up At Start Of 2021-2022 School Year

1) Wrong. I have always recommended people do what’s right for them.
2) Wrong. I never said that healthcare workers had more masks that they needed.
3) Wrong. I referenced multiple data points that indicated that school age hospitalizations and deaths are minuscule. AND That we should let the data determine any changes that should be made.

Feel free to use the search function and find where I have other wise indicated.
Ok Mr. Public Health. Everyone that reads your posts knows that you are lying.

You can say “do what is best for you” and at the same time fan the flame of conspiracy theories and antivax sentiment on vaccines, which you did especially in the mRNA vaccines and the “rushed” EUA approvals and trials. You are part of the problem.

Public health, what a joke. You sir are a detriment to public health.
 
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Ok Mr. Public Health. Everyone that reads your posts knows that you are lying.

You can say “do what is best for you” and at the same time fan the flame of conspiracy theories and antivax sentiment on vaccines, which you did especially in the mRNA vaccines and the “rushed” EUA approvals and trials. You are part of the problem.

Public health, what a joke. You sir are a detriment to public health.
Nice rant...you’re good at those.
 
Pretty troubling that in 2019 the numbers were well under half. It’s appalling what they are today.

Virtual environments certainly were not good. We struggled and my kids attended (kindergarten!) daily. Imagine the hundreds that just didn’t attend school due to access. We were on top of my kids daily because we could hire help, and even that was still a strain on my wife’s “work from home”.
 
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Pretty troubling that in 2019 the numbers were well under half. It’s appalling what they are today.

Virtual environments certainly were not good. We struggled and my kids attended (kindergarten!) daily. Imagine the hundreds that just didn’t attend school due to access. We were on top of my kids daily because we could hire help, and even that was still a strain on my wife’s “work from home”.
Exactly. This is a significant unintended consequence. And unfortunately, the disadvantaged suffer even more. We want everyone to have an equal opportunity but here’s a situation where we have created a greater learning gap. Sad.
 
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Standard of care at hospitals will be going down, short staffed nurses, close to 50% one Dx code. Crazy at the incompetence and poor leadership down there.
 
They werent isolated but they were much more protected then than now plus most kids in Florida wore masks most of the last year and half so there is that.

Add in the fact that masks work best to protect others not the actual wearer…unless they are fitted pediatric n95 type masks which do not exist for kids.

This isn’t the original strain, at least 2x more transmissible and scary enough for CDC, and others drastically switch guidelines.

Can’t say virtually no deaths and hospitalizations when there have been so there is a number of death and hospitalizations you are ok with so kids won’t be required to wear those damn “unamerican”masks which are their best bet prevent infection save they get a vaccine approved for them.

FYI, pediatric hospitalizations in Florida are now dramatically growing (highest in under 12). Let me know when they reach your threshold of an acceptable amount of hospitalizations before schools should be allowed to protect kids as much as possible with inperson schooling.

So you’re acknowledging what I said, that, to protect children you need closures. Assuming of course they need to be protected from the virus.
 
1) anyone can go back to the many posts of your anti-vax sentiment that you regurgitated on this board for months. You highlighted and enhanced all potential negative possibilities and conspiracies while undervalued all good reasons to get it, while knowing that the overwhelmingly majority of people would benefit from getting the vaccine like you did.

2) you said there wasn’t ever a shortage of n95 masks in hospitals. I was in hospitals, myself and coworkers had to reuse n95 masks for many days, those in less front line dept didn’t have them.

3) monitor how many more kids are getting Delta, monitor overall hospitalizations, understand CDC guidelines, does the CDC and AAP not know the data? Do you know more data than them? Kids are getting it, it’s true that % of death, hospitalizations are lower than adults but if you can prevent it’s spread in school and save lives, reduce, hospitalizations and reduce the need for shut downs due to outbreaks why wouldn’t you? You can tell you don’t have any school aged kids and are certainly not fit for public health.
You said above that masks don’t protect the user. I don’t follow.
 
“We want kids to have a more normal experience so mask optional with high community rates”. 🤨

 
Happiness?

With having 3 unvaxed kids starting in a few weeks in elementary school, the better words would be worried and sad.

You have the choice of not sending your kids to school and homeschooling them. Why don't you do that? Were you worried about your unvaxed kids going to school last year?
 
You have the choice of not sending your kids to school and homeschooling them. Why don't you do that? Were you worried about your unvaxed kids going to school last year?
We should do our best to keep kids in school. Going remote and virtual school is not a good outcome kids to be in, loss of social aspect, parents with jobs and loss of income.

There are ways to be in school safely…cdc has a whole plan for covid and k-12 schools with layered measures of mitigation that politicians/school administrators in some areas are not following to the detriment of kids, parents, and community.

My kids schools are following cdc guidelines. Lots of these southern state school districts are not which has me worried and sad for them, can’t even imagine how tough it would be to be a good parent down there.
 
We should do our best to keep kids in school. Going remote and virtual school is not a good outcome kids to be in, loss of social aspect, parents with jobs and loss of income.

There are ways to be in school safely…cdc has a whole plan for covid and k-12 schools with layered measures of mitigation that politicians/school administrators in some areas are not following to the detriment of kids, parents, and community.

My kids schools are following cdc guidelines. Lots of these southern state school districts are not which has me worried and sad for them, can’t even imagine how tough it would be to be a good parent down there.

You ignored my question. Why don't you homeschool your kids. Were you this worried last September? And why are you worried if your kids will be wearing masks everyday? If you are that worried, you should seriously just keep your kids homeschooled.
 
You ignored my question. Why don't you homeschool your kids. Were you this worried last September? And why are you worried if your kids will be wearing masks everyday? If you are that worried, you should seriously just keep your kids homeschooled.
I don’t think you are following. I want my kids, and all kids for that matter, in inperson school.

My kids schools are following CDC guidelines.

Im worried for all the kids and parents sending their kids to schools that are not following cdc mitigation guidelines (ie. masks) especially in areas of higher covid rates.
 
I don’t think you are following. I want my kids, and all kids for that matter, in inperson school.

My kids schools are following CDC guidelines.

Im worried for all the kids and parents sending their kids to schools that are not following cdc mitigation guidelines (ie. masks) especially in areas of higher covid rates.

You still haven't answered my question. Were you worried to send your kids back to school last September?
 
None of that addresses what I posted, but carry-on. I think the Mayo Clinic is a little bit more credible than CNN. You’ve heard of them, right?
 
It is laughable people flood the hospitals when they get the Wu Flu. If you dont get vaccinated then you should take your chances without a hospital.
 
None of that addresses what I posted, but carry-on. I think the Mayo Clinic is a little bit more credible than CNN. You’ve heard of them, right?

I don’t think his post was related to yours.

That said, on yours. They were good links. My only concern now with kids is if Delta changes the impact to kids and if they spread it along themselves more than previous variants side the study notes most kids got it from home.
 
I don’t think his post was related to yours.

That said, on yours. They were good links. My only concern now with kids is if Delta changes the impact to kids and if they spread it along themselves more than previous variants side the study notes most kids got it from home.
Agree. As I've said all along, let's monitor the data on children and adjust accordingly. Watching News Nation last night, they interviewed a physician in an ER in Louisiana and she said observationally, there were many adolescent inpatients with comorbidities, but she did not have any more specific data.
 
“We want kids to have a more normal experience so mask optional with high community rates”. 🤨


This only ends when the government chooses. Stop treating covid like ebola and treat it for what it is: a nasty respiratory virus. No need to shut schools but if you're sick, stay home. That simple.
 
Agree. As I've said all along, let's monitor the data on children and adjust accordingly. Watching News Nation last night, they interviewed a physician in an ER in Louisiana and she said observationally, there were many adolescent inpatients with comorbidities, but she did not have any more specific data.

Yeah, I'm not sold on the idea that it is worse for kids yet but I'm not convinced it is not yet either.

108 new pediatric admissions (70 confirmed - 38 suspected Covid) yesterday in Florida. That's a new high. Just concerning since school just started.
 
This only ends when the government chooses. Stop treating covid like ebola and treat it for what it is: a nasty respiratory virus. No need to shut schools but if you're sick, stay home. That simple.
That’s exactly what they had to do, forced to stay home, 40% of school sick so they stayed home. This is so great right? Way better than simply wearing a mask 😳.

Nothing to see here, masks are so horrible but almost the half the school being sick and not being able to go to school is good right?

I don’t understand why so many discount the collateral damage of covid.

Since many here don’t care about the possible pediatric deaths (that are still low but there), the pediatric hospitalizations that are growing, teachers and family members connnected to school infected and getting sick. its your right to be a Scrooge, but at least Scrooge was smart, he wouldn’t care about people but it affects business too, he would care about that.

What happened to this mental health thing some were harping on with remote school learning, disruptions in learning, special needs kids hurt by remote learning, financial loses by parents for not being able to work, cost of healthcare with ER visits…community spread causing retail businesses to get less business? Not doing enough to keep schools open safely with masks disrupts that.

It’s all connected. Even if you don’t care about your own health or others health, there is real damage outside of death rate of kids and hospitalizations of kids. Even though IMHO it should be enough on its own.
 
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We should do our best to keep kids in school. Going remote and virtual school is not a good outcome kids to be in, loss of social aspect, parents with jobs and loss of income.

There are ways to be in school safely…cdc has a whole plan for covid and k-12 schools with layered measures of mitigation that politicians/school administrators in some areas are not following to the detriment of kids, parents, and community.

My kids schools are following cdc guidelines. Lots of these southern state school districts are not which has me worried and sad for them, can’t even imagine how tough it would be to be a good parent down there.
I think you’re wrong to the extent you think a mask worn by a 10 year old kid-never mind a 5 year old-is going to protect them. Question, did Murphy mandate vax for teachers?
 
I think you’re wrong to the extent you think a mask worn by a 10 year old kid-never mind a 5 year old-is going to protect them. Question, did Murphy mandate vax for teachers?

I think you're correct there.

If we get evidence that this variant is more dangerous to kids in Florida. I don't believe masks are enough protection for kids.

Again, I'm still not sure that will be the case. Just something I am keeping a close eye on.
 
Masks are far from perfect but its a relatively non invasive solution to reduce spread in schools especially in areas of high community transmission and low vaccination rates.

It doesn’t matter if the masks are gross or not on correctly all the time in school, when all kids are wearing it still is a good tool to reduce transmission.




I think you're correct there.

If we get evidence that this variant is more dangerous to kids in Florida. I don't believe masks are enough protection for kids.

Again, I'm still not sure that will be the case. Just something I am keeping a close eye on.
 
Masks are far from perfect but its a relatively non invasive solution to reduce spread in schools especially in areas of high community transmission and low vaccination rates.

It doesn’t matter if the masks are gross or not on correctly all the time in school, when all kids are wearing it still is a good tool to reduce transmission.
Disagree it reduces transmission

it might slow it to an extent

did Murphy mandate teacher’s vax?
 
None of that addresses what I posted, but carry-on. I think the Mayo Clinic is a little bit more credible than CNN. You’ve heard of them, right?
Absolutely, Mayo Clinic is much more credible than CNN. They recommended masks in schools too. This Mayo talks about how we did this to ourselves by more people’s not getting vaccinated and wearing masks.

 
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Disagree it reduces transmission

it might slow it to an extent

did Murphy mandate teacher’s vax?
So you think masks don’t reduce transmission but you think it slows what exactly?

No idea about Murphy and mandate but I hope he did.

Healthcare workers should be mandated as well.

I think there are lots of separate issues here with masks.

1) folks like you who think masks don’t reduce spread and don’t understand that others wearing masks protects me more than me wearing a mask.

2) folks like merge, know masks could reduce spread but kids getting infected aren’t a big deal to him. Even if you discount the small amount of pediatric death, even the growing # of hospitalizations with delta, or potential for long covid, kids still spread it to others in community and also increase the chance of loss of in-person school because of quarantines when kids get sick. When the kids is sent home, loss of income for parent.

3) it’s taking away your freedom or it’s inconvenient…talk to Arnold on that one, it is giving us more freedom.

4) only legitimate arguments I have heard is speech development, special needs, and deaf community kids. Special arrangements should be made.
 
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2) folks like merge, know masks could reduce spread but kids getting infected aren’t a big deal to him. Even if you discount the small amount of pediatric death, even the growing # of hospitalizations with delta, or potential for long covid, kids still spread it to others in community and also increase the chance of loss of in-person school because of quarantines when kids get sick. When the kids is sent home, loss of income for parent.

Small correction. Child to child transmission (talking under 10) was not really happening much for whatever reason. Several studies have confirmed that. Masks also helped. I was for masks in schools last year.

I saw less of a need for masks once parents had the opportunity to get vaccinated because that is how kids were getting Covid.

Now with delta, things may have changed. I just need to understand a bit more. If child to child transmission is more likely with delta, I’m just not convinced that masks will provide enough protection for kids that age to prevent infection.

Again, this is why I am watching Florida.
If kids are able to attend school in person while Covid is extremely prevalent in the area, and cases and hospitalizations among kids does not dramatically increase them I wouldn’t really be worried in NJ where Covid is much less prevalent.

If Covid starts impacting kids more than it has been, my kids will be home schooled until there is a vaccine available.

I just don’t think I would say, kids in Florida are getting really sick - but you can go to school with this mask that you can’t keep on your nose and you should be fine.
 
I think you're correct there.

If we get evidence that this variant is more dangerous to kids in Florida. I don't believe masks are enough protection for kids.

Again, I'm still not sure that will be the case. Just something I am keeping a close eye on.
Agree we need to watch
So you think masks don’t reduce transmission but you think it slows what exactly?

No idea about Murphy and mandate but I hope he did.

Healthcare workers should be mandated as well.

I think there are lots of separate issues here with masks.

1) folks like you who think masks don’t reduce spread and don’t understand that others wearing masks protects me more than me wearing a mask.

2) folks like merge, know masks could reduce spread but kids getting infected aren’t a big deal to him. Even if you discount the small amount of pediatric death, even the growing # of hospitalizations with delta, or potential for long covid, kids still spread it to others in community and also increase the chance of loss of in-person school because of quarantines when kids get sick. When the kids is sent home, loss of income for parent.

3) it’s taking away your freedom or it’s inconvenient…talk to Arnold on that one, it is giving us more freedom.

4) only legitimate arguments I have heard is speech development, special needs, and deaf community kids. Special arrangements should be made.
we don’t differ all that much although you like to write things in an adversarial manner

To answer your only question, I don’t think masking children under the circumstances will reduce the number of kids who will eventually be negatively impacted by Covid; they may slow the spread. If 10 kids will be negatively impacted, and no masks, there’s a risk those 10 kids are impacted at once which is bad for out hospitals…with masks those 10 kids will under the circumstances eventually be impacted presumably over a longer period of time

asthma is also a concern when it comes to masks
 
So you think masks don’t reduce transmission but you think it slows what exactly?

No idea about Murphy and mandate but I hope he did.

Healthcare workers should be mandated as well.

I think there are lots of separate issues here with masks.

1) folks like you who think masks don’t reduce spread and don’t understand that others wearing masks protects me more than me wearing a mask.

2) folks like merge, know masks could reduce spread but kids getting infected aren’t a big deal to him. Even if you discount the small amount of pediatric death, even the growing # of hospitalizations with delta, or potential for long covid, kids still spread it to others in community and also increase the chance of loss of in-person school because of quarantines when kids get sick. When the kids is sent home, loss of income for parent.

3) it’s taking away your freedom or it’s inconvenient…talk to Arnold on that one, it is giving us more freedom.

4) only legitimate arguments I have heard is speech development, special needs, and deaf community kids. Special arrangements should be made.
If children are your priority I’m surprised you don’t know if the people in regular contact with your kids are required to be vaxed
 
The problem now with mandated vaccinations for healthcare workers is that it’s effecting staffing.
 
If children are your priority I’m surprised you don’t know if the people in regular contact with your kids are required to be vaxed
I don’t live in Jersey anymore.

My boy is Hogan. He is my favorite politician right now. Not perfect but as close as it gets.
 
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The problem now with mandated vaccinations for healthcare workers is that it’s effecting staffing.
My feeling is pretty strong that if you are not vaccinated as a healthcare worker, you are in the wrong line of work.

Staffing will resolve itself after a few weeks with a mandate but you are right there will be a short term staffing issue.

If hospitals want to do what is best for patients they will have to deal with it but when enough places do it, it will be a non-story and looking back no one will question why they did it, they would only question why they didn’t do it or why did it take so long.

Hell every nurse has to get a flu shot yearly and TB check yearly as well as show history of vaccinations to work in most hospitals (or be required to wear a mask all the time).
 
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