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No more kneeling

I can throw some real statistics at you about Black crime and arrest rates but unfortunately if I did, I would be falsely labeled as a racist .
The bottom line is that most of the players that kneel and the fans that support it have no idea why they are kneeling and if they choose to kneel while at work in violation of team and league rules, they should be subject to discipline. The kneeling this does nothing but divide race relations.
 
OK, this has morphed from sports (understandable) to a social debate. So I'll leave it here for a short time for all to see and then move it to the Off the Ship board.
 
Slim, I read the article. It had an obvious liberal spin. The author feels it’s only a song and that is his right. To me it is much more than a song. It is a symbol of all the brave men and women who fought for our country. That is why I feel it is disrespectful to sit during that great “song”.
Last week I was at the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial in DC where there are 21,540 names of officers killed in the line of duty inscribed on the walls. I bowed my head and showed respect to those officers on the walls. An employee of the Memorial once referred to it as a bunch of bricks and mortar. That is his right. It is my right to feel he is an asshole. Just like it is the authors right to call the National Anthem just a song.
 
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Just look at this thread. How has the back and forth potentially fixing the alleged problem? If anything, it’s having the opposite effect. Seems like the protest is misplaced.
 
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Matt

I've known and spoken to, through various platforms in person and social media, liberal and conservative, and I can honestly say throughout all of this, that the kneeling that was the course of action after speaking to 1 of these people who represent the flag to show respect. This whole thing was about police brutality and at no time was this ever addressed by the "offended." Nor was a proper way to protest suggested.
Fact is, servicemen served and stand for the anthem for their constitutional right to kneel as it is a PEACEFUL PROTEST. It's the 1st Amendment. None of which has any bearing on the actual game of football.

If you wanna bring it back to the NFL as a subject matter, how about the consideration that charges could be brought against the President and VP for their comments as to influence the decision of a private corporation? Or why the NFL just made a decision without the approval of the NFLPA? Or how players are already considering other forms of protests aside from kneeling on the field. Or how the owners gave more leverage to Kaepernick to prove his case as surveys were singling him as reasons for not signing him and reports claiming him as a starting QB? Should I go on or is this still about the flag?

You don't get it. You wouldn't. You're not in Kaepernick, Reid, Michael Bennett, Chris Long' s shoes... hell you probably have never even been in my shoes. I'm not sure what else it's gonna take but I'm gonna move on as these actions clearly have moved a fair amount of people. Carry on with your life.
 
That is a fake statistic and very dramatic. As a cop for 26 years, I have seen blacks arrested up to 10 times for steeling cars, shoplifting and selling drugs and never spent a day in County or State lockup and I have seen Judges sentence whites to serve time for first offences. The protest should be in the bad neighborhoods where blacks are killing blacks at alarming rates and dealing drugs that are killing people from all walks of life. White cops killing innocent black men is almost nonexistent.
Mike, thank you for your service and thanks to all on the board who served in the military or in law enforcement.

It is funny how we have had 4 officers killed in the line of duty in the past week but not one mention on this message board. Let some thug rob a store, punch a cop, break his face, try to take his gun and get shot and the board goes nuts saying how the cop is the bad guy.

I will raise my flag this weekend to honor all who have served while others on this board will just be happy to have a 3/4 day weekend.
 
Matt

I've known and spoken to, through various platforms in person and social media, liberal and conservative, and I can honestly say throughout all of this, that the kneeling that was the course of action after speaking to 1 of these people who represent the flag to show respect. This whole thing was about police brutality and at no time was this ever addressed by the "offended." Nor was a proper way to protest suggested.
Fact is, servicemen served and stand for the anthem for their constitutional right to kneel as it is a PEACEFUL PROTEST. It's the 1st Amendment. None of which has any bearing on the actual game of football.

If you wanna bring it back to the NFL as a subject matter, how about the consideration that charges could be brought against the President and VP for their comments as to influence the decision of a private corporation? Or why the NFL just made a decision without the approval of the NFLPA? Or how players are already considering other forms of protests aside from kneeling on the field. Or how the owners gave more leverage to Kaepernick to prove his case as surveys were singling him as reasons for not signing him and reports claiming him as a starting QB? Should I go on or is this still about the flag?

You don't get it. You wouldn't. You're not in Kaepernick, Reid, Michael Bennett, Chris Long' s shoes... hell you probably have never even been in my shoes. I'm not sure what else it's gonna take but I'm gonna move on as these actions clearly have moved a fair amount of people. Carry on with your life.

Kaepernick only ever protested the "police brutality" after he had lost his starting job to Blaine Gabbert lol. It was a ploy to remain relevant, it cost him his right to earn a living as a football player at the end of the day. I would love for police to just stop policing the places theyre not wanted, we'll see how well that goes for those areas. Cops have too much respect though to stop serving the many good people who live in these areas ruined by some low-lifes.
 
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Matt

I've known and spoken to, through various platforms in person and social media, liberal and conservative, and I can honestly say throughout all of this, that the kneeling that was the course of action after speaking to 1 of these people who represent the flag to show respect. This whole thing was about police brutality and at no time was this ever addressed by the "offended." Nor was a proper way to protest suggested.
Fact is, servicemen served and stand for the anthem for their constitutional right to kneel as it is a PEACEFUL PROTEST. It's the 1st Amendment. None of which has any bearing on the actual game of football.

If you wanna bring it back to the NFL as a subject matter, how about the consideration that charges could be brought against the President and VP for their comments as to influence the decision of a private corporation? Or why the NFL just made a decision without the approval of the NFLPA? Or how players are already considering other forms of protests aside from kneeling on the field. Or how the owners gave more leverage to Kaepernick to prove his case as surveys were singling him as reasons for not signing him and reports claiming him as a starting QB? Should I go on or is this still about the flag?

You don't get it. You wouldn't. You're not in Kaepernick, Reid, Michael Bennett, Chris Long' s shoes... hell you probably have never even been in my shoes. I'm not sure what else it's gonna take but I'm gonna move on as these actions clearly have moved a fair amount of people. Carry on with your life.
Slim, I’m sure I have never walked in your shoes and I’ll guarantee you never walked in mine. I’ll guarantee you have never been spit on by a dirtbag with AIDS, had a gun pointed at you, had to tell a parent their child had been killed in and accident, pushed brains out of the way in order to help another victim, had a junkie try to poke you with a needle. My list can go on and on. Throughout all of these incidents did I ever take race, religion or sexual orientation into my decision making yet I have been called names and been painted with a negative brush by thankless people that I put my life on the line for every day. I worked in a very diverse community and have never once had a IA complaint lodged against me alleging racial bias yet as soon as I put that uniform on I am immediately branded a racist.

Instead of pushing out bull shit statistics or telling me what shoes I have walked in maybe just look at both sides of the coin as I have.
 
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Kaepernick only ever protested the "police brutality" after he had lost his starting job to Blaine Gabbert lol. It was a ploy to remain relevant, it cost him his right to earn a living as a football player at the end of the day. I would love for police to just stop policing the places theyre not wanted, we'll see how well that goes for those areas. Cops have too much respect though to stop serving the many good people who live in these areas ruined by some low-lifes.

False. People only paid attention because he was on the bench. He's used Twitter and public platforms to bring to light numerous social issues. Try again
 
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Slim, I’m sure I have never walked in your shoes and I’ll guarantee you never walked in mine. I’ll guarantee you have never been spit on by a dirtbag with AIDS, had a gun pointed at you, had to tell a parent their child had been killed in and accident, pushed brains out of the way in order to help another victim, had a junkie try to poke you with a needle. My list can go on and on. Throughout all of these incidents did I ever take race, religion or sexual orientation into my decision making yet I have been called names and been painted with a negative brush by thankless people that I put my life on the line for every day. I worked in a very diverse community and have never once had a IA complaint lodged against me alleging racial bias yet as soon as I put that uniform on I am immediately branded a racist.

Instead of pushing out bull shit statistics or telling me what shoes I have walked in maybe just look at both sides of the coin as I have.

I've had a gun pointed at me and racially profiled simply because I'm a simple kid from the Bronx. And the few people who personally know me know i barely check off the stereotype box. Try again with your assumptions jabroni.
And no need for cussing Mr. Policeman :)
 
False. People only paid attention because he was on the bench. He's used Twitter and public platforms to bring to light numerous social issues. Try again

He sat for the first time when he was the backup. People don't take him seriously when he wore pig socks. Kaepernick like most of the younger generation cannot disagree without disrespecting a group.
 
He sat for the first time when he was the backup. People don't take him seriously when he wore pig socks. Kaepernick like most of the younger generation cannot disagree without disrespecting a group.

But again he made a peaceful protest to bring to light issues in his local San Francisco community that he had already been campaigning for prior to his sit down. And then switch it to the kneeling to be more respectful after meeting with a soldier.
 
But again he made a peaceful protest to bring to light issues in his local San Francisco community that he had already been campaigning for prior to his sit down. And then switch it to the kneeling to be more respectful after meeting with a soldier.

Was he respectful with his pig socks? Anyone else would of been crucified if they wore socks which gave a negative connotation to a whole group of people.
 
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This is spurious logic at best. The majority of crime in America is in areas that have disproportionate populations in terms of race. Police officers risk their lives everyday to protect these same communities and how many stories are posted here about officers that are targeted for simply wearing a uniform?


Blacks are arrested 4x (down from 6x in the 1980s) as much as Whites for drug offences although usage rates are the same.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...nes-claim-drug-use-imprisonment-rates-blacks/

https://www.nap.edu/read/18613/chapter/1#viii (go to page 60/61).
 
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I've had a gun pointed at me and racially profiled simply because I'm a simple kid from the Bronx. And the few people who personally know me know i barely check off the stereotype box. Try again with your assumptions jabroni.
And no need for cussing Mr. Policeman :)

Were you as big a smartass then as you are in this post?
 
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Was he respectful with his pig socks? Anyone else would of been crucified if they wore socks which gave a negative connotation to a whole group of people.

I hear ya, I go to these Seton Hall basketball games all the time and these young hooligans want to stand and root the team on, complete insanity :)
 
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So obviously people disagree with the kneeling and the reason's for the kneeling and that's an entirely different argument where opinions are not likely to be changed.

But do the people against the protest agree with the NFL's ruling to silence/remove peaceful protest at the threat of fine (or atleast hide it in the locker-room)? Is it a wise precedent to make the anthem compulsory?
 
So obviously people disagree with the kneeling and the reason's for the kneeling and that's an entirely different argument where opinions are not likely to be changed. But are the people against the protest think the NFL's ruling is okay to silence/remove peaceful protest at the threat of fine (or atleast hide it in the locker-room)? Is it a wise precedent to make the anthem compulsory?

NFL should of made it mandatory as the NBA has. There is no outcry about the NBA mandating all players must stand, it is the owners league. If players want to protest they can start a new league.
 
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Was he respectful with his pig socks? Anyone else would of been crucified if they wore socks which gave a negative connotation to a whole group of people.

Pretty sure he was crucified for being disrespectful of his pig socks and most of the people who didn't care/agreed with him were victims of racial profiling and police brutality, which brings us right back to...

Were you as big a smartass then as you are in this post?

No. But does take one to know one if we're gonna keep being immature and take away from the topic at hand.
 
NFL should of made it mandatory as the NBA has. There is no outcry about the NBA mandating all players must stand, it is the owners league. If players want to protest they can start a new league.

The standing policy is antiquated and also caused someone to be blackballed for their religion. And how many recognizable faces are there in the NBA that are outspoken and active on these matters compared to the NFL?

I got time today for all of this until this gets moved to Life off the Ship.
 
NFL should of made it mandatory as the NBA has. There is no outcry about the NBA mandating all players must stand, it is the owners league. If players want to protest they can start a new league.

To that I will only give you several quotes:

"Those who make peaceful protest impossible, make violent protest inevitable." - JFK

"Flags and people earn respect and loyalty. If they have to demand it, they don't deserve it."

"I cannot stand and sing the Anthem. I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world. " - Jackie Robinson 1972 ( is he a low life too?)
 
I know, its about white privilege, white power, white racism....etc. It gets so old listening to pass blame on a whole race of people for their failures. Isn't that racism? lol
Nope, not that either. Maybe you should sit this one out, too.

It's amazing how strongly people can feel about a protest when they clearly have not invested even minimal time to listen, to hear, and to understand it. Instead, it's easier to let your own confirmation bias dictate your response and shrug and say, "they're disrespecting the flag. Or veterans," or whatever, when those aren't even remotely close to the issue.

FFS, how obtuse can you be?
 
Slim, me and a few other posters do feel the pain and know what it is like to walk in the shoes of a black man in todays society for the Police Officer today is the most publically berated group and most discriminated group in the country.
Just to add to what ShuMatt was pointing out, most people don't know what its like to have to change out of your Police uniform to order at a fast food establishment, being denied service at Starbucks because you are a cop, having people call you a pig when you are out with your children on an off day, having your personal car keyed at the carwash because they see something police related in the car. Yet I get over it and still protect those same individuals when they call.
That's why I take it as an insult when I see players (not just black players) protesting against the police.
 
Slim, me and a few other posters do feel the pain and know what it is like to walk in the shoes of a black man in todays society for the Police Officer today is the most publically berated group and most discriminated group in the country.
Just to add to what ShuMatt was pointing out, most people don't know what its like to have to change out of your Police uniform to order at a fast food establishment, being denied service at Starbucks because you are a cop, having people call you a pig when you are out with your children on an off day, having your personal car keyed at the carwash because they see something police related in the car. Yet I get over it and still protect those same individuals when they call.
That's why I take it as an insult when I see players (not just black players) protesting against the police.

That's a fair rebuttal and I respect that. I just mentioned it on Facebook to another friend of mine that it's not as absolute as people make it out to be. The majority of police are at worst unremarkable in the sense that they don't stand out in any positive or negative way. I also believe as much as some people tow the "F the Police" mantra, they could probably think of 1 officer that they love/like.
All I can say is that there's a long line history of police and authority being disrepectful to people of color, within the parameters of the law and above & beyond it. I think the berating of officers comes from the fact that 1) anyone in theory can become a cop and 2) there doesn't seem to be enough good cops condemning the bad ones (at least pushed toward the front pages).

Btw, this is dialogue I welcome as opposed to "stop being disrepectful" with nothing additional to add.
 
Slim, me and a few other posters do feel the pain and know what it is like to walk in the shoes of a black man in todays society for the Police Officer today is the most publically berated group and most discriminated group in the country.
Just to add to what ShuMatt was pointing out, most people don't know what its like to have to change out of your Police uniform to order at a fast food establishment, being denied service at Starbucks because you are a cop, having people call you a pig when you are out with your children on an off day, having your personal car keyed at the carwash because they see something police related in the car. Yet I get over it and still protect those same individuals when they call.
That's why I take it as an insult when I see players (not just black players) protesting against the police.

Would It seem fair to you if I said that ~95% of police officers are upstanding public defenders who are treated unfairly by people who think otherwise AND there is a history of mistreatment of Black Americans by the 5% who aren't upstanding cops? It's not an either or scenario.

You seem like a great officer who cares about the community you serve in and it's likely you are surrounded by other great officers. I'm sorry to hear that you have been treated like shit just because of your profession. That doesn't mean there aren't bad cops or precincts out there.

I've had maybe a couple dozen interactions (traffic stops, conversations, etc) with LE in my lifetime and only 1 time had a bad encounter. I had been a witness to someone getting jumped off campus (nothing serious, a couple bruises) The responding officer said to me - "You have to start sticking up for yourself against these N***ers." He completely ignored the context of the situation - the argument that caused the fight. That bad encounter sticks out in my memory even though 95% of the time the officer I interact with seems like a great man/women.
 
That's a fair rebuttal and I respect that. I just mentioned it on Facebook to another friend of mine that it's not as absolute as people make it out to be. The majority of police are at worst unremarkable in the sense that they don't stand out in any positive or negative way. I also believe as much as some people tow the "F the Police" mantra, they could probably think of 1 officer that they love/like.
All I can say is that there's a long line history of police and authority being disrepectful to people of color, within the parameters of the law and above & beyond it. I think the berating of officers comes from the fact that 1) anyone in theory can become a cop and 2) there doesn't seem to be enough good cops condemning the bad ones (at least pushed toward the front pages).

Btw, this is dialogue I welcome as opposed to "stop being disrepectful" with nothing additional to add.
Great post. I should say, one of my oldest and closest buddies is a cop (well, just retired a couple years ago, but his entire career occurred during our friendship). We have some tension between us over these sorts of topics, but I love the guy. And there are a hundred more I know and respect as good cops. None of this occurs in absolutes, and understanding that is vital.

But this conversation also occurs with the realities of a power dynamic that is obviously one-sided (and codified by law), all withing a context of one group being imported to this land for the express purpose of dehumanization and subjugation - conditions that did not end 150 years ago with the Emancipation Proclamation. That day was simply a point on a continuum of time that still has a lot of empty space to its right before the scales of race are balanced. And when we don't acknowledge that all these facts inform the interactions between police and black folks, we aren't talking honestly about it.

It's not a matter of "all cops are racist!" Of course they're not. And obviously, their normal course of their work will have them having violent interactions with people of all sorts, so it's silly to cast every one of those as acts driven by racism. Of course they're not.

But it is plain as day, and well documented, that the fear of, the inability to see as equal, and the thoroughly indoctrinated lack of respect this society at large still has for its black citizens - the kind that doesn't simply vanish because a few Civil Rights bills are signed into law - still intersects with the way law enforcement interacts with the black citizens of this country. And sometimes, that fear, that lack of understanding and respect, manifests itself in unprompted violence, unjust brutality, and the absence of a benefit of the doubt I've always received as a white man.

And that is what these football players are struggling to make people realize. That's it, really. Is that really unfair, or un-American? They are leveraging the fact that their actions are being televised to millions of viewers across the country in order to call awareness to this fact and hopefully effect a change.
 
That's a fair rebuttal and I respect that. I just mentioned it on Facebook to another friend of mine that it's not as absolute as people make it out to be. The majority of police are at worst unremarkable in the sense that they don't stand out in any positive or negative way. I also believe as much as some people tow the "F the Police" mantra, they could probably think of 1 officer that they love/like.
All I can say is that there's a long line history of police and authority being disrepectful to people of color, within the parameters of the law and above & beyond it. I think the berating of officers comes from the fact that 1) anyone in theory can become a cop and 2) there doesn't seem to be enough good cops condemning the bad ones (at least pushed toward the front pages).

Btw, this is dialogue I welcome as opposed to "stop being disrepectful" with nothing additional to add.[/QUOT
To tell you the truth, I have probably given a person of color the benefit of the doubt more often than a white person. I will give you an example: Part of S. Orange Ave was in my patrol district. If I pulled over a black man because his car may have been unregistered or the exhaust looked like a cloud behind his car then found out he was suspended, there was a good chance I would let him go. I looked at it as why would I put him in a deeper hole and set him back 10 years with points on his DL, fines or insurance surcharges. If he or she was respectful, I would look at them as a hard working person trying to better himself and let him go. Now if I pulled over a white person under the same situation, quite often the would be getting a few tickets. I know a lot of other cops that feel the same way. Also during my career, I never heard cops in my department ever say, Lets get a black guy today or anything like that.
 
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Nope, not that either. Maybe you should sit this one out, too.

It's amazing how strongly people can feel about a protest when they clearly have not invested even minimal time to listen, to hear, and to understand it. Instead, it's easier to let your own confirmation bias dictate your response and shrug and say, "they're disrespecting the flag. Or veterans," or whatever, when those aren't even remotely close to the issue.

FFS, how obtuse can you be?

I've listened alot and I have heard alot of violent rhetoric from BLM towards police offiicers.
Great post. I should say, one of my oldest and closest buddies is a cop (well, just retired a couple years ago, but his entire career occurred during our friendship). We have some tension between us over these sorts of topics, but I love the guy. And there are a hundred more I know and respect as good cops. None of this occurs in absolutes, and understanding that is vital.

But this conversation also occurs with the realities of a power dynamic that is obviously one-sided (and codified by law), all withing a context of one group being imported to this land for the express purpose of dehumanization and subjugation - conditions that did not end 150 years ago with the Emancipation Proclamation. That day was simply a point on a continuum of time that still has a lot of empty space to its right before the scales of race are balanced. And when we don't acknowledge that all these facts inform the interactions between police and black folks, we aren't talking honestly about it.

It's not a matter of "all cops are racist!" Of course they're not. And obviously, their normal course of their work will have them having violent interactions with people of all sorts, so it's silly to cast every one of those as acts driven by racism. Of course they're not.

But it is plain as day, and well documented, that the fear of, the inability to see as equal, and the thoroughly indoctrinated lack of respect this society at large still has for its black citizens - the kind that doesn't simply vanish because a few Civil Rights bills are signed into law - still intersects with the way law enforcement interacts with the black citizens of this country. And sometimes, that fear, that lack of understanding and respect, manifests itself in unprompted violence, unjust brutality, and the absence of a benefit of the doubt I've always received as a white man.

And that is what these football players are struggling to make people realize. That's it, really. Is that really unfair, or un-American? They are leveraging the fact that their actions are being televised to millions of viewers across the country in order to call awareness to this fact and hopefully effect a change.

Can you point to some things in today's society that show a lack of respect for black citizens?
 
Just went through this whole thread... some of yall just don't get it but I'm not surprised. Instead, you can read this SB Nation article which nails my biggest issue on everything regarding "disrespecting the flag."

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/5/23/17382142/nfl-national-anthem-policy-inarticulate-yelling

That's great but what the article fails to mention is the common sense that once you give people something it's difficult to take it away from them. Yes the national anthem wasn't a big part of sports before WWII but it's become a part of gameday. And it's not going to be easy to take away because many people enjoy it.
 
Congrats, so do I. Doesn't mean I go around crying over a kneel

It's like how I don't cry over my boss not letting me tell all my clients about my personal passions and the injustices in society every time we have a meeting?? After all, there's a lot of bad stuff going on in this country and who is my employer to tell me what I'm allowed not allowed to protest outwardly in front of my clients every day??
 
To tell you the truth, I have probably given a person of color the benefit of the doubt more often than a white person. I will give you an example: Part of S. Orange Ave was in my patrol district. If I pulled over a black man because his car may have been unregistered or the exhaust looked like a cloud behind his car then found out he was suspended, there was a good chance I would let him go. I looked at it as why would I put him in a deeper hole and set him back 10 years with points on his DL, fines or insurance surcharges. If he or she was respectful, I would look at them as a hard working person trying to better himself and let him go. Now if I pulled over a white person under the same situation, quite often the would be getting a few tickets. I know a lot of other cops that feel the same way. Also during my career, I never heard cops in my department ever say, Lets get a black guy today or anything like that.

I think that's the case plenty times more often than not. Although, nonsense like the Sterling Brown video doesn't help with the stereotype. There's a recent example for kniespolice
 
I think that's the case plenty times more often than not. Although, nonsense like the Sterling Brown video doesn't help with the stereotype. There's a recent example for kniespolice

I'm not saying there's not a rogue cop but they're rare. Have you ignored all the recent examples of people claiming they were threatened or even raped only to have the dashcam or body cam clear the cop?
 
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I'm not saying there's not a rogue cop but they're rare. Have you ignored all the recent examples of people claiming they were threatened or even raped only to have the dashcam or body cam clear the cop?

In terms of rarity, I'm just gonna not repeat myself and requote the post you might have skipped over (respectfully) with how I addressed that the norm for officers is that they're unremarkable...

That's a fair rebuttal and I respect that. I just mentioned it on Facebook to another friend of mine that it's not as absolute as people make it out to be. The majority of police are at worst unremarkable in the sense that they don't stand out in any positive or negative way. I also believe as much as some people tow the "F the Police" mantra, they could probably think of 1 officer that they love/like.
All I can say is that there's a long line history of police and authority being disrepectful to people of color, within the parameters of the law and above & beyond it. I think the berating of officers comes from the fact that 1) anyone in theory can become a cop and 2) there doesn't seem to be enough good cops condemning the bad ones (at least pushed toward the front pages).

Btw, this is dialogue I welcome as opposed to "stop being disrepectful" with nothing additional to add.

I just don't want my message to be mixed and mistaken for something else... ya know... like when someone peacefully protests over police brutality...
 
In terms of rarity, I'm just gonna not repeat myself and requote the post you might have skipped over (respectfully) with how I addressed that the norm for officers is that they're unremarkable...



I just don't want my message to be mixed and mistaken for something else... ya know... like when someone peacefully protests over police brutality...

That's great if they want to protest a cause they believe in and they have every right to protest outside of their employers time, but their protest is mis-informed and only further divides the country. It is the rhetoric thrown around by BLM, which these players all endorse that led to 5, yes 5!, police officers being shot to death in Dallas that people witnessed on live tv.

I am terrified of flying on commercial airplanes, but statistically I am much safer on an airplane than a car. Due to news coverage of every major crash, which are few and far between, I have this phobia. Maybe the same phobia of the police is felt by African Americans because the news media takes 1 bad cop and tried to paint them all with the same brush. Statistically, an African American poses much greater danger to another African American than the neighborhood cop.
 
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The stadium is a workplace- like an office.
If you don't like to rules of the workplace, work someplace else.
Codes of behavior exist in every profession.
 
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No one is preventing them from protesting. They can take a knee, and will just have to pay whatever consequences come with it. Isnt that what protesting is all about? In this case, it's a possible fine. BFD
 
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