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Ron DeSanctimonious

Why don't you tell me some people who are in their positions because they check a box?
09 hit on a few
Xavier Becerra
Jennifer Granholm
Janet Yellin

But hey who cares we have the most diverse staff ever.

I don't care if it was all women, all men, all transgender, just get people who are the best. China's eating our lunch and going to kill the value of the dollar. If they do that, we're screwed.
 
Perhaps they should have predicted the war... Then they would have known that their assumption could not possibly come true.
And the war was just one reason…not the only reason inflation continued.
 
And the war was just one reason…not the only reason inflation continued.

It was a fairly large reason that impacted the entire world though.
To just keep talking about how they were wrong about inflation being transitory before they could have possibly included any impact from the war they had no idea was around the corner is a little ridiculous.
 
09 hit on a few
Xavier Becerra
Jennifer Granholm
Janet Yellin

But hey who cares we have the most diverse staff ever.

I don't care if it was all women, all men, all transgender, just get people who are the best. China's eating our lunch and going to kill the value of the dollar. If they do that, we're screwed.
Are you telling me the former Chair of the Federal Reserve was a "check the box" hire to be the Treasury Secretary?
 
Are you telling me the former Chair of the Federal Reserve was a "check the box" hire to be the Treasury Secretary?
Well if I'm not mistaken he was considering Sarah Raskin, Lael Brainard, and Janet Yellen. No dudes made the top 3? Ok it's possible. But it looks like it was designed for a certain demographic. For people who make big deals about who is a finalist for an NFL job or any job for that matter, I would guess you see the suspicion here. Woke agenda, 3 women up for the job. seems like box checking system was used.

If you want to make the argument she was qualified thats another topic, but I think on a daily basis she's proving she's not. But I'll stick with it being a "check the box" hire.
 
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It was a fairly large reason that impacted the entire world though.
To just keep talking about how they were wrong about inflation being transitory before they could have possibly included any impact from the war they had no idea was around the corner is a little ridiculous.
Well the Russian troop build-up at the Ukraine border started in January 2021 and Yellen and Biden used the transitory term in June of 2021, so maybe it's a little ridiculous that they didn't factor a potential invasion into their comments.
 
09 hit on a few
Xavier Becerra
Jennifer Granholm
Janet Yellin

But hey who cares we have the most diverse staff ever.

I don't care if it was all women, all men, all transgender, just get people who are the best. China's eating our lunch and going to kill the value of the dollar. If they do that, we're screwed.
And let's not forget, checking the box on a Supreme Court Justice even before nominating one....
 
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Well the Russian troop build-up at the Ukraine border started in January 2021 and Yellen and Biden used the transitory term in June of 2021, so maybe it's a little ridiculous that they didn't factor a potential invasion into their comments.

Also ridiculous.
That was not the first time Russia sent troops to Ukraine's border, and it's not like every time Russia gets aggressive it leads to a war. Their job isn't to hedge against every potential scenario that may happen in the future. They can only react to actual reality in front of them, not potential threats from a madman in Russia who has made many threats previously some of which have not resulted in anything.
 
Also ridiculous.
That was not the first time Russia sent troops to Ukraine's border, and it's not like every time Russia gets aggressive it leads to a war. Their job isn't to hedge against every potential scenario that may happen in the future. They can only react to actual reality in front of them, not potential threats from a madman in Russia who has made many threats previously some of which have not resulted in anything.
Crimea wasn’t a threat? And the movement of that many troops was unprecedented starting six months before the statements. No reason to use that word and many from both sides have trashed them since then for doing so.
 
And the movement of that many troops was unprecedented

No, it wasn't. They play war games on their borders almost every year with even more troops than they did in early 2021 near Ukraine.

No reason to use that word and many from both sides have trashed them since then for doing so.

Because it's Monday morning quarterback and everyone wants someone to blame.

Opening up from a pandemic in 2021, there is an element of inflation that would be expected to be transitory as there would be an initial spike in demand which would wane over time. Kind of what was happening as things cooled a bit over the summer and then spiked again right before the war and then then the worst single months of this inflation period were right after the war started.
 
No, it wasn't. They play war games on their borders almost every year with even more troops than they did in early 2021 near Ukraine.
Yes it was...they had over 100,000 troops at the border by March. Unprecidented.
Because it's Monday morning quarterback and everyone wants someone to blame.
If you don't put your foot in your mouth, than you don't have to worry about that.
Opening up from a pandemic in 2021, there is an element of inflation that would be expected to be transitory as there would be an initial spike in demand which would wane over time. Kind of what was happening as things cooled a bit over the summer and then spiked again right before the war and then then the worst single months of this inflation period were right after the war started.
 
Unprecidented.

You're wrong though.
Not unprecedented. Actually quite common for Russia.

This was in 2018. "Russia has amassed almost 100,000 people on the border with Ukraine."


Or this one near Belarus
 
You're wrong though.
Not unprecedented. Actually quite common for Russia.

This was in 2018. "Russia has amassed almost 100,000 people on the border with Ukraine."


Or this one near Belarus
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11806

"Many analysts and officials characterize Russia’s recent military buildup as the largest in recent memory."

To totally disregard it in their analysis was silly. Once again, using the term "transitory" was dumb. Members of both parties thought so and it came back to bite them in the a_ _.
 
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11806

"Many analysts and officials characterize Russia’s recent military buildup as the largest in recent memory."

To totally disregard it in their analysis was silly. Once again, using the term "transitory" was dumb. Members of both parties thought so and it came back to bite them in the a_ _.

Feb 2022... a year later than what you were talking about and that report even states that it "follow a similar but less expansive military buildup in March-April 2021

So the point still stands. Early 2021 was not unprecedented, they were doing the same thing in 2016, 2017 and 2018.

It's was a reasonable position to have that that inflation would start to decline before the world was impacted by the war. It's occurring now and been on a downward trend for the last 8 months.
 
Feb 2022... a year later than what you were talking about and that report even states that it "follow a similar but less expansive military buildup in March-April 2021

So the point still stands. Early 2021 was not unprecedented, they were doing the same thing in 2016, 2017 and 2018.

It's was a reasonable position to have that that inflation would start to decline before the world was impacted by the war. It's occurring now and been on a downward trend for the last 8 months.
Keep deflecting...the build-up occurred over an entire year....and it was unprecedented. Ignoring that as a potential risk was dumb. Both parties criticized how the message was communicated. But keep beating that drum.
 
Keep deflecting...the build-up occurred over an entire year....and it was unprecedented. Ignoring that as a potential risk was dumb. Both parties criticized how the message was communicated. But keep beating that drum.

It's been two years later and you're still talking about transitory inflation. You think I'm beating a drum here? ok.

Good job moving that goal post. First It was Jan 2021 being unprecedented, now it's the build up.
Ever just say, "Oh I didn't realize that, I guess I was wrong"?
 
It's been two years later and you're still talking about transitory inflation. You think I'm beating a drum here? ok.

Good job moving that goal post. First It was Jan 2021 being unprecedented, now it's the build up.
Ever just say, "Oh I didn't realize that, I guess I was wrong"?
Congratulations. An entire post of deflections. Thump, thump, thump.
 
This is a great response to what amounts to a vibes-based argument (Biden put a hard stop on gas-powered vehicles? Are you kidding me, man?). I would only add that the Biden administration just approved a massive oil drilling project in Alaska, much to the anger of the Left and climate activists.

It's just another fruitless attempt at political triangulation by democrats over the past few decades. I don't know when they're going to realize that it falls on deaf ears.

Vibes based? Do you have anything concrete to add? Is the federal 2035 a hard stop or no? What about NJ banning the sales of gas-powered vehicles past 2035, the 6th state to do so?

Anyone who would opine that it's the Democrats always trying to do things the right way, "triangulate," be reasonable or work in a bipartisan way, ie. they are the "good guys" is brainwashed. Same goes for the Republicans who make the same claims.

Good point, though, about the Alaskan drilling. I'm not a "drill, baby, drill" guy, but we have to be energy independent, and for our lifetimes, like it or not, we are powered by fossil fuels.
 
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I do agree that Pete Buttigieg was and is not qualified to be Secretary of Transportation. However, I would say he was appointed to that position to return the favor for Buttigieg endorsing Biden during the primary. He's not there because he checks a box.
He most certainly is, and the box-checking has been celebrated, as has Harris' nomination and election.
 
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Is the federal 2035 a hard stop or no? What about NJ banning the sales of gas-powered vehicles past 2035, the 6th state to do so?
With regard to the gas-powered vehicle ban, this has nothing to do with inflation or rising prices. And that was your point. I think the ban is stupid as well. The market place will decide it. While I do believe by 2035, most cars will be electric, there will always be a need and a niche for gas powered cars. There is no need to ban them.

The ban is actually is superfluous as well. Both Ford and GM have put out statements that by that time, they will only manufacture electric cars and that was before the ban. Also, I don't think Biden put out a ban just set goals of like 50% of all cars should be electric. Again, the market place will decide this and all of this is unnecessary.
 
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With regard to the gas-powered vehicle ban, this has nothing to do with inflation or rising prices. And that was your point. I think the ban is stupid as well. The market place will decide it. While I do believe by 2035, most cars will be electric, there will always be a need and a niche for gas powered cars. There is no need to ban them.

The ban is actually is superfluous as well. Both Ford and GM have put out statements that by that time, they will only manufacture electric cars and that was before the ban. Also, I don't think Biden put out a ban just set goals of like 50% of all cars should be electric. Again, the market place will decide this and all of this is unnecessary.
The market and subsidies. Many of the big boys are focusing on EVs because they basically can’t lose $ on them with Uncle Sam’s “incentives”. WSJ had a great article on this over the last week involving either GM or Ford, I believe.
 
It's dumb. Consumers should have the right to purchase inferior products in 2035 and beyond if they choose to do so.

Pardon the pun, but pump the brakes a bit. We don't have any long-term data on reliability, durability, and range/safety/cost of battery technology will continue to be the issue. I drive a gas-powered vehicle with 160K on it, daily, to work. I don't lose any sleep over whether I'll be stranded, where to charge, or if there will be an inextinguishable fire, in my garage or elsewhere. I'd love for gas prices to be lower, but I'm not trading gas money for an electric bill, either.
 
Pardon the pun, but pump the brakes a bit. We don't have any long-term data on reliability, durability, and range/safety/cost of battery technology will continue to be the issue. I drive a gas-powered vehicle with 160K on it, daily, to work. I don't lose any sleep over whether I'll be stranded, where to charge, or if there will be an inextinguishable fire, in my garage or elsewhere. I'd love for gas prices to be lower, but I'm not trading gas money for an electric bill, either.


And let's not forget about this. Dependence on China; Environmental impact on domestic mining; Uncertain about long term supplies.
 


And let's not forget about this. Dependence on China; Environmental impact on domestic mining; Uncertain about long term supplies.
It is my belief and hope that the electric car industry will switch from lithium to some other form of battery. There are hydrogen fuel cell battery vehicles but it still has a lot of challenges. hydrogen-cars-fcev

Electric Vehicles will be vastly different than what we see now in 10-15 years. At least I hope so.
 
It is my belief and hope that the electric car industry will switch from lithium to some other form of battery. There are hydrogen fuel cell battery vehicles but it still has a lot of challenges. hydrogen-cars-fcev

Electric Vehicles will be vastly different than what we see now in 10-15 years. At least I hope so.
"Hope" typically is not a good word to build a business model. I think the point is that EV's are not as great a panacea as being advertised.
 
The market and subsidies. Many of the big boys are focusing on EVs because they basically can’t lose $ on them with Uncle Sam’s “incentives”. WSJ had a great article on this over the last week involving either GM or Ford, I believe.

To be fair, that market is up against subsidies which make it artificially cheaper for you to drive. So it's not like it is a free market to compare to.
 
To be fair, that market is up against subsidies which make it artificially cheaper for you to drive. So it's not like it is a free market to compare to.
I get what you are saying. What I'm referring to is an article I read in the WSJ within the last week about one particular large automaker (GM, I think). Their gas-running vehicles are still their best-sellers and money-makers. Their EVs are sustaining massive losses. But those losses get offset by government incentives via tax breaks etc. They are being paid billions of dollars via taxpayer $ to manufacture, sell and develop a product that operates at a loss. One can argue that is a good allocation of tax funds to help our transition towards certain alternatives -- that is up for debate. But at least for that manufacturer it is the reality right now.
 
Pardon the pun, but pump the brakes a bit. We don't have any long-term data on reliability, durability, and range/safety/cost of battery technology will continue to be the issue.

How much data do you need? They have been here more than a decade and have only been getting better.

I drive a gas-powered vehicle with 160K on it, daily, to work. I don't lose any sleep over whether I'll be stranded, where to charge, or if there will be an inextinguishable fire, in my garage or elsewhere. I'd love for gas prices to be lower, but I'm not trading gas money for an electric bill, either.

I drive two EVs. I don't lose any sleep over any of those things either. Also enjoy never having oil changes, and why wouldn't you trade a gas bill for an electricity bill when electricity cost per mile is far cheaper?
 
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"Hope" typically is not a good word to build a business model. I think the point is that EV's are not as great a panacea as being advertised.
EV's are phenomenal. The tech that was started in the 90's then went no where for a decade is an incredible advancement. Once Tesla, and I mean the founders of Tesla not Elon Musk, made it possible to not only have a an EV be utilitarian, but look good and also perform better than gas powered vehicles, the whole landscape changed. The powering and the infrastructure are the issues at this point. Infrastructure will be dealt with over the years. Engineers are developing alternatives to the Lithium battery. The question is when will there be that alternative battery and what will it be? I do not see the lithium battery being sustainable.

So, I understand your point, I am just more confident than you are that there will be emerging alternatives.
 
How much data do you need? They have been here more than a decade and have only been getting better.



I drive two EVs. I don't lose any sleep over any of those things either. Also enjoy never having oil changes, and why wouldn't you trade a gas bill for an electricity bill when electricity cost per mile is far cheaper?

How much better has the range gotten? How much better do you anticipate it getting?

I change my own oil, so that's never bothered me. Once you have to replace a battery, the cost savings is now moot. Electric motors, also, are not failure-proof.
 
EV's are phenomenal. The tech that was started in the 90's then went no where for a decade is an incredible advancement. Once Tesla, and I mean the founders of Tesla not Elon Musk, made it possible to not only have a an EV be utilitarian, but look good and also perform better than gas powered vehicles, the whole landscape changed. The powering and the infrastructure are the issues at this point. Infrastructure will be dealt with over the years. Engineers are developing alternatives to the Lithium battery. The question is when will there be that alternative battery and what will it be? I do not see the lithium battery being sustainable.

So, I understand your point, I am just more confident than you are that there will be emerging alternatives.

But they're not utilitarian. For commuters, maybe, but your ass-ugly Rivian pickup truck isn't going to haul much. There's a lot of Tesla's on the road, and they all look identical and quasi-futuristic. There are no interesting or stylish cues about them. Where I live, they are status symbols, and the other car is a Land Rover.
 
But they're not utilitarian. For commuters, maybe, but your ass-ugly Rivian pickup truck isn't going to haul much. There's a lot of Tesla's on the road, and they all look identical and quasi-futuristic. There are no interesting or stylish cues about them. Where I live, they are status symbols, and the other car is a Land Rover.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But if you want a truck that can haul maybe you should look at the Ford -150 Electric vehicle. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/. And my ugly ass Rivian makes Vans for Amazon. Seems to be getting rave reviews. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/14/what-its-like-to-deliver-for-amazon-in-new-rivian-electric-vans.html.

So, yes they are status symbols and they also can haul stuff around. EV's are terrific vehicles. You don't like them? I get it. You have that right. But don't say they are nothing but status symbols. Theses vehicles are far more than that. And they are there to stay.
 
How much better has the range gotten? How much better do you anticipate it getting?

I change my own oil, so that's never bothered me. Once you have to replace a battery, the cost savings is now moot. Electric motors, also, are not failure-proof.
Lucid has a range of 500 miles.
 
EV's are phenomenal. The tech that was started in the 90's then went no where for a decade is an incredible advancement. Once Tesla, and I mean the founders of Tesla not Elon Musk, made it possible to not only have a an EV be utilitarian, but look good and also perform better than gas powered vehicles, the whole landscape changed. The powering and the infrastructure are the issues at this point. Infrastructure will be dealt with over the years. Engineers are developing alternatives to the Lithium battery. The question is when will there be that alternative battery and what will it be? I do not see the lithium battery being sustainable.

So, I understand your point, I am just more confident than you are that there will be emerging alternatives.
Agree the lithium battery is not sustainable, but that's a big issue if it can't be solved. It's a real issue and not something to just gloss over and trivialize IMO. In the meantime, we hurt the environment with mining them and continue our dependence on China. Excuse my skepticism, but if I had a nickel for every business plan or M&A presentation that relied on something that the presenter "hopes" happen....
 
But they're not utilitarian. For commuters, maybe, but your ass-ugly Rivian pickup truck isn't going to haul much. There's a lot of Tesla's on the road, and they all look identical and quasi-futuristic. There are no interesting or stylish cues about them. Where I live, they are status symbols, and the other car is a Land Rover.
This struck a nerve. My daughter and her husband let us know they were buying a Tesla last week while visiting them for our grandchild's birthday party (touting the impact on the environment), while simultaneously tossing out the dirty plastic plates, silverware and other non-sustainable items from the party. It was an easy pitch to hit.....
 
This struck a nerve. My daughter and her husband let us know they were buying a Tesla last week while visiting them for our grandchild's birthday party (touting the impact on the environment), while simultaneously tossing out the dirty plastic plates, silverware and other non-sustainable items from the party. It was an easy pitch to hit.....
I saw someone installed a couple of small solar panels on their garage, presumably to charge the Teslas. that they own. That's the way to do it -- otherwise you're still creating CO and CO2.
 
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But if you want a truck that can haul maybe you should look at the Ford -150 Electric vehicle. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/. And my ugly ass Rivian makes Vans for Amazon. Seems to be getting rave reviews. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/14/what-its-like-to-deliver-for-amazon-in-new-rivian-electric-vans.html.

So, yes they are status symbols and they also can haul stuff around. EV's are terrific vehicles. You don't like them? I get it. You have that right. But don't say they are nothing but status symbols. Theses vehicles are far more than that. And they are there to stay.
I don't doubt they are here to stay, I seriously doubt their capabilities as medium-to-heavy duty vehicles. Simply running heat or AC significantly cuts into battery range. How is towing/pulling, or a payload of 1000# going to do? Right now, not in 20 years.
 
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