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Hope the Big Guy doesn’t have to dip into his personal fortune to pay Hunter child support for their granddaughter he and Dr.Jilly refused to bring in the family or even acknowledge.I still feel if Republicans take the house Hunter will lean toward taking a no jail plea to front run the likely House investigation into his business affairs and possible links to the Bit Guy.
 
Everyone here is biased.



I don't think he had a good first year. The media I consumed didn't protect him and were fairly critical at times. I think his favorability ratings show that.

He has been more successful in his second year with some key legislation passed so the media has been more favorable.
Which media did you consume? The so called MSM certainly protected him then, especially with the disastrous Afghan pullout, and they continue to.

Second year he got a couple of pieces of legislations passed that cost a ton of money and have questionable payback. He bought off Joe Manchin for a vote for the Inflation Reduction Act. He gave Manchin a pipeline for his vote. How rich is that??
I'd hold off on any victory laps about those huge spending bills until youstart seeing the Inflation reduce and the deficit reduced.
 
Which media did you consume? The so called MSM certainly protected him then, especially with the disastrous Afghan pullout, and they continue to.

Second year he got a couple of pieces of legislations passed that cost a ton of money and have questionable payback. He bought off Joe Manchin for a vote for the Inflation Reduction Act. He gave Manchin a pipeline for his vote. How rich is that??
I'd hold off on any victory laps about those huge spending bills until youstart seeing the Inflation reduce and the deficit reduced.

None on TV. I read various websites and news aggregators.

I am supportive of the legislation that was passed, and am happy to debate the bills rather than the "why didn't he get this done with majorities in the house and senate", like Trump and immigration.
 
Probably the ones that called the Independence Hall speech inspirational and unifying. LOL

Just grateful it wasn't whatever you are watching/reading that would make you ask...

Answer this: Why are Venezuelans not seeking asylum in Mexico, in Brazil, in Peru? Do any of these Countries have similar polices to the US on the matter?

Of the Venezuelan refugees, over 90% went to other South American Countries. 30% in the countries you mentioned alone. Just going to skip over how you got that entirely wrong?
 
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I didn't say it would be an easy fix, but that is what has to happen when millions of people are displaced. The worse the situation becomes in South America, the worse it will be for the United States. Again... I don't have the answer, but if we aren’t doing anything to address the actual problem (the humanitarian crises in those countries) then we are just putting bandaids on and hoping they hold.



They haven't failed to address it. In fact they did try to make improvements to the process this year working to expedite the decisions.

There is a long list of failures and waste of money when we have tried to intervene in foreign countries. You keep saying “it’s not easy and you don’t have an answer”. I’m telling you it’s impossible and a waste to think we can. Show me a logical solution that can be implemented in these countries and we can have that discussion.

Not only has the administration failed to address the problem; they won’t even acknowledge there is a problem. Saying our “borders are secure” is complete denial.
 
There is a long list of failures and waste of money when we have tried to intervene in foreign countries. You keep saying “it’s not easy and you don’t have an answer”. I’m telling you it’s impossible and a waste to think we can. Show me a logical solution that can be implemented in these countries and we can have that discussion.

Not only has the administration failed to address the problem; they won’t even acknowledge there is a problem. Saying our “borders are secure” is complete denial.

Right. I have agreed many times in this thread that addressing the problem at the border is a failure by this administration. We need better security and we need enough resources available to deal with the surge to process asylum requests quickly. I’ve just pointed out that they have worked to make progress and have not ignored the issue as some here suggested.

But… neither of those things address why they are fleeing.

I don’t agree with the defeatist argument that nothing can be done. We just need the right incentives for South American countries to help enough to reduce the reasons why people are fleeing, and if they do flee, that other countries will share the burdens.
 
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Right. I have agreed many times in this thread that addressing the problem at the border is a failure by this administration. We need better security and we need enough resources available to deal with the surge to process asylum requests quickly. I’ve just pointed out that they have worked to make progress and have not ignored the issue as some here suggested.
We agree Biden has failed on this issue.
But… neither of those things address why they are fleeing.

I don’t agree with the defeatist argument that nothing can be done. We just need the right incentives for South American countries to help enough to reduce the reasons why people are fleeing, and if they do flee, that other countries will share the burdens.
What kind of “incentives”? We are dealing with corrupt governments in many cases that don’t want us meddling. The road is littered with countries where we have thrown money and have it blow up in our faces.
 
You are right about one thing. I AM biased against Biden. He is the worst President at least in my lifetime and may be worst ever. He deserves to be called out. One point you totally ignore is the protection Biden gets from MSM. Careful .... because you sound very much like KJP. Don't believe your lieing eyes Americans.
How exactly is Biden the worst President of your lifetime?
 
We agree Biden has failed on this issue.

What kind of “incentives”? We are dealing with corrupt governments in many cases that don’t want us meddling. The road is littered with countries where we have thrown money and have it blow up in our faces.

Like I said, I’m not going to be the one who has the solution. People with a better understanding of the challenges and needs in South America than you or I will do that.


 
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How exactly is Biden the worst President of your lifetime?

Joe is certainly among the worst of my lifetime, but I only go back to the 80s. From best to worst:

1) Reagan
2) Clinton
3) Obama
4) Trump
5) Bush 41
6) Biden
7) Bush 43
 
Like I said, I’m not going to be the one who has the solution. People with a better understanding of the challenges and needs in South America than you or I will do that.


These trade strategies are theoretical and would take decades to implement with much uncertainty especially since you’re dealing with multiple countries. I would agree though to support them because it would reduce our dependence on China.

IMO, the priority is still far and away securing the border. It will also have the added benefit of slowing drug trafficking.
 
This is a little more problematic than a leaky faucet.

No coverage from the left MSM but many other outlets are reporting it.

CNN is more concerned about Martha's vineyard.


npr.com.ng? Really?

A Nigerian site created 2 months ago pretending to be affiliated with NPR?

And you make fun of what media other people are consuming?
 
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Right. I have agreed many times in this thread that addressing the problem at the border is a failure by this administration. We need better security and we need enough resources available to deal with the surge to process asylum requests quickly. I’ve just pointed out that they have worked to make progress and have not ignored the issue as some here suggested.

But… neither of those things address why they are fleeing.

I don’t agree with the defeatist argument that nothing can be done. We just need the right incentives for South American countries to help enough to reduce the reasons why people are fleeing, and if they do flee, that other countries will share the burdens.
You say that they are adressing the problem..... at the same time they are saying the border is secure. How hard can they be working to address the problem if they think the border is secure?

The media that you consume.... read or watch on you tube.... what did they say about the Hunter Biden lap top in October 2020 and what do they tell you today?
 
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You say that they are adressing the problem..... at the same time they are saying the border is secure. How hard can they be working to address the problem if they think the border is secure?

Biden administration has been citing the number of apprehensions being up as evidence that the border is secure. Not really a convincing argument and is just a political response.

People are trying to flee their country is root cause of the problem.
This administration is working on addressing that problem.
 
Not enough money to stop people fleeing socialist / failed economies in South America , a joke that Sanders and the progressives think Socialism is the answer for US with government providing goodies to stay in power.How did so many democrats decide we need a nanny state in the last few years ? Wait till all the trillions are spent wonder if dems will think printing money is the long term solution.As Maggie Thatcher said you eventually run out of other peoples money in redistribution of wealth economies.
 
Biden administration has been citing the number of apprehensions being up as evidence that the border is secure. Not really a convincing argument and is just a political response.

People are trying to flee their country is root cause of the problem.
This administration is working on addressing that problem.
Biden’s policies caused the immediate emergency. They need to turn the spigot off and enforce legal immigration. They are tone deaf and unfortunately you sound a little tone deaf in repeating Biden’s talking points. He caused this emergency and purposefully opened the border with NO plan to mitigate. Finding root cause is a fool's errand. He doesn't want root cause solved he wants this mass migration to take place. It is not an accident on dem part. IMHO.
 
Kamala is really going after those root causes. I feel so much better knowing she is on top this.
 
Kamala is really going after those root causes. I feel so much better knowing she is on top this.
“We have to get at the root causes and their roots because it starts in the root, and roots are underground and important roots” - Kamala Harris
 
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"As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden." - Chauncey Gardiner
 
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npr.com.ng? Really?

A Nigerian site created 2 months ago pretending to be affiliated with NPR?

And you make fun of what media other people are consuming?

Wow embarrassing he fell for a fake website 😄
 
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A bit all over the place on that one. Much of it not even accurate.

The earlier transports this year from Texas to DC or NY were people who specifically requested to go there, and may have had family in the area, and local programs were notified there were busses coming.

That's why those stories didn't blow up like this one.
The people are the Martha's vineyard plane were specifically lied to about where they were going and what would be available for them on the other side just for a political statement.

I get why you die hards will love the move. I just hope that the reasonable republicans outweigh you in the primaries for 2024.
No one is going to care about a political stunt like this when it comes to the primaries in 2024.

The Trump die-hards are going to vote for him no matter what, unless he (hopefully) does not run.

On Desantis, the biggest issue anyone is going to care about is how he managed Florida for 2+ years of a pandemic compared to other large states with governors who did so differently. And what the outcome was as between those states from a common sense perspective, because “data” or “studies” can be spun a million different ways. That’s what most people will care about IMO.
 
Not enough money to stop people fleeing socialist / failed economies in South America , a joke that Sanders and the progressives think Socialism is the answer for US with government providing goodies to stay in power.How did so many democrats decide we need a nanny state in the last few years ? Wait till all the trillions are spent wonder if dems will think printing money is the long term solution.As Maggie Thatcher said you eventually run out of other peoples money in redistribution of wealth economies.

Both parties were on the print money train chief.
 
reagan was more soup for brains than joe.
Reagan was definitely in decline at the end. But to compare him to Joe tells me you have no clue. To win 49 of 50 states in his second term was amazing. Reagan knew how to work with both sides of the aisle. Biden couldn't hold a candle to him.
 
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Reagan was definitely in decline at the end. But to compare him to Joe tells me you have no clue. To win 49 of 50 states in his second term was amazing. Reagan knew how to work with both sides of the aisle. Biden couldn't hold a candle to him.
And Regan left office with the largest deficit at the time.His trickle down economics did not work. HE was at his best at foreign affairs and like Clinton work both sides of the aisle. Sad to say working both sides of the aisle is history with to many far left and far right politicians trying to run the country. BEING a RINO or a moderate dem are a true minority.
 
And Regan left office with the largest deficit at the time.His trickle down economics did not work. HE was at his best at foreign affairs and like Clinton work both sides of the aisle. Sad to say working both sides of the aisle is history with to many far left and far right politicians trying to run the country. BEING a RINO or a moderate dem are a true minority.
Dead on about the political skill that both Reagan and Clinton had in spades. Two most talented US politicians of my lifetime.
 
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Biden’s policies caused the immediate emergency. They need to turn the spigot off and enforce legal immigration. They are tone deaf and unfortunately you sound a little tone deaf in repeating Biden’s talking points. He caused this emergency and purposefully opened the border with NO plan to mitigate. Finding root cause is a fool's errand. He doesn't want root cause solved he wants this mass migration to take place. It is not an accident on dem part. IMHO.

Did Trump's policies cause the surge in 2019 which doubled the number of border interactions from 2018?
Of course not.

That’s the disconnect some here have. Our policies don’t mean anything when people become desperate.

Criticisms that he hasn’t done enough are fine. (No president has) but he didn’t cause the crisis. He didn’t open the border. He did increase funding for border patrol.
 
No one is going to care about a political stunt like this when it comes to the primaries in 2024.

The Trump die-hards are going to vote for him no matter what, unless he (hopefully) does not run.

On Desantis, the biggest issue anyone is going to care about is how he managed Florida for 2+ years of a pandemic compared to other large states with governors who did so differently. And what the outcome was as between those states from a common sense perspective, because “data” or “studies” can be spun a million different ways. That’s what most people will care about IMO.

That’s fine. They should judge him based on his results but I hope they factor in the stunts as well. If you want someone able to unify people… he’s not that. There will be better options than him in my opinion.
 
Joe is certainly among the worst of my lifetime, but I only go back to the 80s. From best to worst:

1) Reagan
2) Clinton
3) Obama
4) Trump
5) Bush 41
6) Biden
7) Bush 43

I think that’s fair assuming I’m ignoring Clinton’s perjury and The events leading up to January 6th. I’d personally drop both a bit.

I wonder what that list would look like 20 months in for each. Reagan’s approval ratings were pretty low at this point of his presidency.
 
Did Trump's policies cause the surge in 2019 which doubled the number of border interactions from 2018?
Of course not.

That’s the disconnect some here have. Our policies don’t mean anything when people become desperate.

Criticisms that he hasn’t done enough are fine. (No president has) but he didn’t cause the crisis. He didn’t open the border. He did increase funding for border patrol.
Disagree…policies do matter, but some take longer to get approved and implemented. A key component of Trumps plan, like it or not, was building more barriers and securing the border to reduce crossings.

Biden’s claiming the border is secure…nobody fact checks him on that.
 
Disagree…policies do matter, but some take longer to get approved and implemented. A key component of Trumps plan, like it or not, was building more barriers and securing the border to reduce crossings.

Like the changes Biden implemented this year?
Biden also is building more barriers and added more funding for border patrol.

Trump’s policies take time, but anything Biden does must work immediately?
 
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