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Southern border security - 23 things more secure

npr.com.ng? Really?

A Nigerian site created 2 months ago pretending to be affiliated with NPR?

And you make fun of what media other people are consuming?

You got me on that one.

I saw it posted on a bunch of sites including Fox. I was going for the real NPR.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Gotta be more careful with the URLs.

Breitbart appears to be the original source and they are off the rails.
 
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Like the changes Biden implemented this year?
Biden also is building more barriers and added more funding for border patrol.

Trump’s policies take time, but anything Biden does must work immediately?
Isn't this Biden's second year? What did he do last year? What did he do to foster the continuance of Trump's plan? Kamala went to El Paso and never went back or articulated the plan. Can we stop the whataboutism and just agree that Biden has failed here?
 
Isn't this Biden's second year? What did he do last year?


Can we stop the whataboutism and just agree that Biden has failed here?

I have several times in this thread.

What I was disagreeing with was saying Biden is to blame for the crisis. He's not.
Just like Trump wasn't to blame when border encounters increased in his 3rd year.

I don't think either did enough to address the humanitarian crisis.
 



I have several times in this thread.

What I was disagreeing with was saying Biden is to blame for the crisis. He's not.
Just like Trump wasn't to blame when border encounters increased in his 3rd year.

I don't think either did enough to address the humanitarian crisis.
Not blaming him for the crisis; blaming him for how he has managed it (or not managed it).
 
Did Trump's policies cause the surge in 2019 which doubled the number of border interactions from 2018?
Of course not.

That’s the disconnect some here have. Our policies don’t mean anything when people become desperate.

Criticisms that he hasn’t done enough are fine. (No president has) but he didn’t cause the crisis. He didn’t open the border. He did increase funding for border patrol.
Are you saying all these people who crossed the border illegally since Jan 2021 was just coincidental with Biden taking office? If they were so desperate why wait for his election?

The crisis, as you rightly call it, is unprecedented and directly tied to his policies.

He and his spokespeople have repeatedly denied that there is a crisis. They have declared the border secure.

MSM has paid little or no attention to it. They along with Biden himself have falsely accused the border patrol of racism. Border Patrol morale has been on the tank.
 
Not blaming him for the crisis; blaming him for how he has managed it (or not managed it).

Right. I wasn't replying to you on the blame for the crisis. I was replying to Pride.
We've agreed he has not managed it well enough.
 
Are you saying all these people who crossed the border illegally since Jan 2021 was just coincidental with Biden taking office? If they were so desperate why wait for his election?

It wasn't a coincidence that it occurred in 2021.
People in South America became more desperate in 2021 as a result of the pandemic crushing their already fragile economies in certain areas. Extreme droughts have also been hurting their crops, food supplies and employment.

While it may be true that they believe Biden would be better for their chances. All of that still happens no matter who is president.

The spike in 2019 compared to 2018 didn't have anything to do with people thinking that 2019 Trump would be better than 2018 Trump. The situation in 2019 was worse than 2018 so more people tried to come.

Same with Biden. The situation in 2021 was worse than it was in 2020 so more people tried to come.
 
I think that’s fair assuming I’m ignoring Clinton’s perjury and The events leading up to January 6th. I’d personally drop both a bit.

I wonder what that list would look like 20 months in for each. Reagan’s approval ratings were pretty low at this point of his presidency.

I don't rank based on stupid "approval ratings."
 
That’s fine. They should judge him based on his results but I hope they factor in the stunts as well. If you want someone able to unify people… he’s not that. There will be better options than him in my opinion.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is a single unifying candidate on either side of the aisle right now that could actually win an election. That notion changed when Trump embarrassed the political establishment on both sides of the isle in 2016, and encouraged the fringe elements of both parties to double-down.

Biden had basically as lengthy a record and history as any candidate when he ran in 2020. One that was filled with problems, large and small. On top of that, he was already showing obvious signs of cognitive decline. And yet he won because he wasn't Trump. That was the most important issue for most Biden voters. Not any of the other baggage he had from his career, and there was plenty.

With Desantis, the average person is going to care less about a political stunt and more about how the guy handled the biggest thing that has disrupted our world in the past 2+ years, especially compared to others.
 
I don't rank based on stupid "approval ratings."

Wasn't saying you should...

If we are including Joe in the rankings as of today, I was just wondering how his first 20 months would compare.
 
Unfortunately, I don't think there is a single unifying candidate on either side of the aisle right now that could actually win an election. That notion changed when Trump embarrassed the political establishment on both sides of the isle in 2016, and encouraged the fringe elements of both parties to double-down.

Biden had basically as lengthy a record and history as any candidate when he ran in 2020. One that was filled with problems, large and small. On top of that, he was already showing obvious signs of cognitive decline. And yet he won because he wasn't Trump. That was the most important issue for most Biden voters. Not any of the other baggage he had from his career, and there was plenty.

With Desantis, the average person is going to care less about a political stunt and more about how the guy handled the biggest thing that has disrupted our world in the past 2+ years, especially compared to others.
Andrew Yang (D) and Larry Hogan (R) were probably the most moderate/mainstream candidates on either side and they got literally zero attention from the MSM. And I agree that Trump became more of an option as people are disgusted with both parties and the establishment.
 
Andrew Yang (D) and Larry Hogan (R) were probably the most moderate/mainstream candidates on either side and they got literally zero attention from the MSM. And I agree that Trump became more of an option as people are disgusted with both parties and the establishment.
I'm a fan of Larry Hogan BUT he gets 0 attention from MSM,CNN or FOX .
 
Trump will continue to get the most attention from mainstream media because he is a lightning rod that moves ratings and is the centerpiece of the D strategy for any and all contested elections, local or national.

The main stream media isn’t going to pay significant attention to any other R candidate for the White House unless the powers that be believe she or he can actually win. Hence the attempted 60 Minutes hit-piece on Desantis way back when - which backfired spectacularly - and much of the other attention he receives. They no doubt think he is the most viable competition right now on the R side, mostly because of how from a common-sense perspective people view his leadership during COVID compared to other big states.
 
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It wasn't a coincidence that it occurred in 2021.
People in South America became more desperate in 2021 as a result of the pandemic crushing their already fragile economies in certain areas. Extreme droughts have also been hurting their crops, food supplies and employment.

While it may be true that they believe Biden would be better for their chances. All of that still happens no matter who is president.

The spike in 2019 compared to 2018 didn't have anything to do with people thinking that 2019 Trump would be better than 2018 Trump. The situation in 2019 was worse than 2018 so more people tried to come.

Same with Biden. The situation in 2021 was worse than it was in 2020 so more people tried to come.
I get it......Biden and Harris telling the immigrants in the run up to the election that the borders would be open had nothing to do with the increase in illegal immigration? And their refusal to follow the existing immigration laws had nothing to do with it? Right. "The border is secure."... Jawohl mein herr
 
I get it......Biden and Harris telling the immigrants in the run up to the election that the borders would be open had nothing to do with the increase in illegal immigration? And their refusal to follow the existing immigration laws had nothing to do with it? Right. "The border is secure."... Jawohl mein herr

And yet Biden said don’t come in 2021.

Gotta stop pretending that these people are coming because they are hanging on every word of the US president.

They don’t care.
 
On a lighter note we celebrated an anniversary with a dinner at a local restaurant where the chef had been the executive chef for Bush, Clinton, and Bush. Lots of memorabilia on the wall including personal notes from the first ladies on birthdays and such.

After yacking with our server she convinced the chef to come out and we spent a few minutes chatting. Interesting guy.
 
And yet Biden said don’t come in 2021.

Gotta stop pretending that these people are coming because they are hanging on every word of the US president.

They don’t care.
that's not what they are telling reporters who ask them.
 
On a lighter note we celebrated an anniversary with a dinner at a local restaurant where the chef had been the executive chef for Bush, Clinton, and Bush. Lots of memorabilia on the wall including personal notes from the first ladies on birthdays and such.

After yacking with our server she convinced the chef to come out and we spent a few minutes chatting. Interesting guy.

That's awesome
 
That's awesome

He said it was rare that a chef spans multiple presidents because usually they come in and clean house and hire their own. He even crossed political parties! Lol

 
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0k, That's enough about the chef.

Let's get back to fighting about the border crisis. Lol
 
Biden administration has been citing the number of apprehensions being up as evidence that the border is secure. Not really a convincing argument and is just a political response.

People are trying to flee their country is root cause of the problem.
This administration is working on addressing that problem.
Come on you really believe they are going to fix problems inside other countries when they have a record of screwing everything up in our own.
 
People are trying to flee their country is root cause of the problem.
This administration is working on addressing that problem.

True dat.

They are addressing it by making the USA unattractive to flee to. "Might as well stay where they are" approach.
  • Inflation
  • Crime
  • Debt
  • High Taxes
  • Supply chain
  • Orwellian Covid polices
  • Opioid and Fentanyl overdoses
  • Infringement on free speech
  • Publics schools that brainwash our kids and try to convert boys to girls and vice versa
  • Government overreach
  • and more ........
Plus, half our country is racist, transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. We should continue to emphasized this point and eventually they will stop coming.
 
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And yet Biden said don’t come in 2021.

Gotta stop pretending that these people are coming because they are hanging on every word of the US president.

They don’t care.
A little bit of truth to both arguments. Both parties have been talking about the problem for years. They should have finished the wall and checked that box. Then begin to add additional backup security. We will never fully end the problem but need to minimize and slow it down. It would be nice to have a little bit of control at our border. Make people at least think twice before coming. Changing why people are leaving is absolutely crazy. History tells us to mind our own business, nothing good comes from meddling in other countries.
 
True dat.

They are addressing it by making the USA unattractive to flee to.
  • Inflation
  • Crime
  • Debt
  • High Taxes
  • Supply chain
  • Orwellian Covid polices
  • Opioid and Fentanyl overdoses
  • Infringement on free speech
  • Government overreach
  • and more ........
We are on track to making it more attractive to stay home. Maybe this is what Merge means.
 
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True dat.

They are addressing it by making the USA unattractive to flee to. "Might as well stay where they are" approach.
  • Inflation
  • Crime
  • Debt
  • High Taxes
  • Supply chain
  • Orwellian Covid polices
  • Opioid and Fentanyl overdoses
  • Infringement on free speech
  • Publics schools that brainwash our kids and try to convert boys to girls and vice versa
  • Government overreach
  • and more ........
Plus, half our country is racist, transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. We should continue to emphasized this point and eventually they will stop coming.

Sounds like you hate it here.
 
A little bit of truth to both arguments. Both parties have been talking about the problem for years. They should have finished the wall and checked that box. Then begin to add additional backup security. We will never fully end the problem but need to minimize and slow it down. It would be nice to have a little bit of control at our border. Make people at least think twice before coming. Changing why people are leaving is absolutely crazy. History tells us to mind our own business, nothing good comes from meddling in other countries.

There are multiple issues here.

The root cause of all of them is the humanitarian crisis of people becoming more desperate to leave. No wall or border policy here will help that.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do anything to make the border more secure. We should. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to address the root cause.

That said, even Jared Kushner called out the stunt that Desantis pulled while also being critical of Biden’s policies. I think if we weren’t so polarized, that would be easier to see for some.
 
There are multiple issues here.

The root cause of all of them is the humanitarian crisis of people becoming more desperate to leave. No wall or border policy here will help that.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do anything to make the border more secure. We should. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to address the root cause.

That said, even Jared Kushner called out the stunt that Desantis pulled while also being critical of Biden’s policies. I think if we weren’t so polarized, that would be easier to see for some.
We can't solve the root cause...waste of time and money. We can understand it to be able to be better prepared to deal with the influx.
 
There are multiple issues here.

The root cause of all of them is the humanitarian crisis of people becoming more desperate to leave. No wall or border policy here will help that.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do anything to make the border more secure. We should. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to address the root cause.

That said, even Jared Kushner called out the stunt that Desantis pulled while also being critical of Biden’s policies. I think if we weren’t so polarized, that would be easier to see for some.
Jared Kushner called it out because he views Desantis as the biggest obstacle to his father-in-law winning the nomination and reelection if he decides to run (and hopefully for us all, he doesn't).
 
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Jared Kushner called it out because he views Desantis as the biggest obstacle to his father-in-law winning the nomination and reelection if he decides to run (and hopefully for us all, he doesn't).
Agree....Yeah, that was kind of obvious to most of us.
 
Jared Kushner called it out because he views Desantis as the biggest obstacle to his father-in-law winning the nomination and reelection if he decides to run (and hopefully for us all, he doesn't).

Exactly. Anyone associated with the former president has a political reason to go after DeSantis.
 
Exactly. Anyone associated with the former president has a political reason to go after DeSantis.
That is such a sad reality. My perfect scenario would be for Trump to declare that he is retiring from politics and that his efforts will be spent on backing DeSantis and unifying the country and party. Pipe dream.... I know.
I am afraid of the dire consequences if the Dems somehow retain control of the government. When entities like the DOJ, IRS, FBI are weaponized and used as political tools, we are in grave danger as a nation. That, IMO, is the first step towards single party control and the dems are getting better at it each day. Witness the FBI raid on Matt Houck from Pa. Scary. He was cleared by local police and a civil lawsuit against him was already disallowed by court. 20 - 25 FBI agents show up at his home with guns drawn....... after he agreed to cooperate. If those reports are true, we cannot allow this to continue.
 
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That is such a sad reality. My perfect scenario would be for Trump to declare that he is retiring from politics and that his efforts will be spent on backing DeSantis and unifying the country and party. Pipe dream.... I know.
I am afraid of the dire consequences if the Dems somehow retain control of the government. When entities like the DOJ, IRS, FBI are weaponized and used as political tools, we are in grave danger as a nation. That, IMO, is the first step towards single party control and the dems are getting better at it each day. Witness the FBI raid on Matt Houck from Pa. Scary. He was cleared by local police and a civil lawsuit against him was already disallowed by court. 20 - 25 FBI agents show up at his home with guns drawn....... after he agreed to cooperate. If those reports are true, we cannot allow this to continue.

The rhetoric coming out of this administration and the Democratic Party scares me. They want one party control and to hell with anyone who disagrees with them. The other day Biden is out there saying "democracy" is threatened because Italy elected a conservative PM in a free and fair election. In their minds, "democracy" and the system work only when leftists are elected.
 
The rhetoric coming out of this administration and the Democratic Party scares me. They want one party control and to hell with anyone who disagrees with them. The other day Biden is out there saying "democracy" is threatened because Italy elected a conservative PM in a free and fair election. In their minds, "democracy" and the system work only when leftists are elected.

He wasn't referring to the fact that a conservatives won as a threat to democracy.

He was referring to the fact that Italy would decide to elect someone from a far right party, something they have not done in many decades, with a neo-fascist background.
 
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He wasn't referring to the fact that a conservatives won as a threat to democracy.

He was referring to the fact that Italy would decide to elect someone from a far right party, something they have not done in many decades, with a neo-fascist background.
It's not just Italy...the neo-fascist party in Sweden (probably THE most welcoming European country to illegal immigration) is likely to impact their elections. Over the last several years the Muslim population from Africa/Syria has ballooned and they refuse to integrate causing all sorts of crime issues. This is what happens when you don't have a well-managed immigration policy.
 
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