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It's not just Italy...the neo-fascist party in Sweden (probably THE most welcoming European country to illegal immigration) is likely to impact their elections. Over the last several years the Muslim population from Africa/Syria has ballooned and they refuse to integrate causing all sorts of crime issues. This is what happens when you don't have a well-managed immigration policy.

Right. Not saying the fascist sentiment came from no where.
There is a reason why the sentiment is growing, but that is what Biden was referring to and it is a cause for concern. He wasn't saying that conservatives are winning and that is bad for democracy.
 
He was referring to the fact that Italy would decide to elect someone from a far right party, something they have not done in many decades, with a neo-fascist background.

lol, keep carrying the water.
 
Right. Not saying the fascist sentiment came from no where.
There is a reason why the sentiment is growing, but that is what Biden was referring to and it is a cause for concern. He wasn't saying that conservatives are winning and that is bad for democracy.
If you don’t know the specifics in each country how do you know that it’s bad? What has been happening in those countries with regards to illegal immigration is bad and caused serious issues. There is an increasing number of people in Sweden that believe they have made big mistakes by letting this go for unchecked. Hence the rise in opposition parties. Biden should be as concerned about what is happening to their culture.
 
If you don’t know the specifics in each country how do you know that it’s bad?

How do I know a rise in fascist sentiment is bad?
History?

What has been happening in those countries with regards to illegal immigration is bad and caused serious issues. There is an increasing number of people in Sweden that believe they have made big mistakes by letting this go for unchecked. Hence the rise in opposition parties.

Absolutely. I'm not suggesting that citizens in those countries should just sit bad and accept things get bad as migrants move in and refuse to assimilate. It's a problem that they have no dealt with adequality yet.
 
How do I know a rise in fascist sentiment is bad?
History?



Absolutely. I'm not suggesting that citizens in those countries should just sit bad and accept things get bad as migrants move in and refuse to assimilate. It's a problem that they have no dealt with adequality yet.
Because you are fixated on a term (fascist) that is a label to equate the party to those extremes you are referring. This rise in popularity is happening to preserve their culture and safety which is under threat.

Doesn’t it strike you that this is happening in a country as historically accepting to others as Sweden?https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/

And FYI, the party is called the Sweden Democrats. They are not self described fascists nor do academics.
 
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He wasn't referring to the fact that a conservatives won as a threat to democracy.

He was referring to the fact that Italy would decide to elect someone from a far right party, something they have not done in many decades, with a neo-fascist background.
how can you be sure what Biden is ever referring to? He throws around words like wooden nickels..... he calls people who disagree with him fascists yet uses fascistic tactics himself and is creating a police state before our eyes. Threat to democracy? HE is a threat to our constitutional federal government and democracy as we know it. I honestly don't know the background of the new Italian Prime Minister and at this point, I don't care. What I do care about is what is happening here.
 
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Because you are fixated on a term (fascist)

The Nazis were socialists (National Socialist German Workers' Party).

Do we call all left leaning socialist or unions Nazis?

Then again they have the National thing in there..so I guess a Nazi is a Trump supporting Socialist with a union card. Kinda like a Gay Muslim transsexual.
 
Because you are fixated on a term (fascist) that is a label to equate the party to those extremes you are referring. This rise in popularity is happening to preserve their culture and safety which is under threat.

Im not bringing up the term. I’m giving context to what Biden was referring to. If you don’t care, so be it.

 
how can you be sure what Biden is ever referring to? H

Because I read what he said and it was clear.

I honestly don't know the background of the new Italian Prime Minister and at this point, I don't care. What I do care about is what is happening here.
I agree. I care much more about what is happening here. Just clarifying that his word were misrepresented here.
 
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Im not bringing up the term. I’m giving context to what Biden was referring to. If you don’t care, so be it.

You brought the term up in the conversation. IMO our President should not be flaming about a foreign countries election and vilainizing a mainstream party of that country.
 
You brought the term up in the conversation. IMO our President should not be flaming about a foreign countries election and vilainizing a mainstream party of that country.

It was a fringe movement just a few years ago. That was his point, what has made that party become mainstream over the last 2-3 years? And has that sentiment been historically dangerous?

Fair if you think those comments should be over the line for a US president though.
 
It was a fringe movement just a few years ago. That was his point, what has made that party become mainstream over the last 2-3 years? And has that sentiment been historically dangerous?

Fair if you think those comments should be over the line for a US president though.
What’s made the platform of the party more popular is what I said before. Many of these countries totally missed manage the illegal alien immigration.
 
It was a fringe movement just a few years ago. That was his point, what has made that party become mainstream over the last 2-3 years? And has that sentiment been historically dangerous?

Fair if you think those comments should be over the line for a US president though.
https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022...-results-confirm-narrow-win-for-conservatives

Will Biden call the Sweden election out as well? Interesting that the moderate party has created a coalition with the Sweden Democrats (aka, far right) to gain a majority. PM stepping down.
 
Yes all of those other things are bad. One of them was a choice by a politician to make a political stunt.
Am I outraged? No. Just calling it what it is. A gross political stunt.

Biden is failing on this issue. As did Trump, as did Obama, as did Bush etc…

Desantis trying to own the libs isn’t the kind of leadership that is going to help.
Trump was doing a very good job despite all the road blocks placed in his way.
Everyone here is biased.



I don't think he had a good first year. The media I consumed didn't protect him and were fairly critical at times. I think his favorability ratings show that.

He has been more successful in his second year with some key legislation passed so the media has been more favorable.
And then you woke up!
 
Trump was doing a very good job despite all the road blocks placed in his way.

And then you woke up!

What road blocks? The Mexican government being unwilling to pay for a wall Trump promised they would pay for? He dug himself into a hole there and wasn’t able to pass something meaningful on the issue.

And yes, Biden’s second year has been relatively successful. He’s not who I wanted as the nominee in 2020 and I was critical of his first year.. but he has done well in his second year.

His legacy will depend on next year though with a (most likely) Republican controlled house.
 
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What road blocks? The Mexican government being unwilling to pay for a wall Trump promised they would pay for? He dug himself into a hole there and wasn’t able to pass something meaningful on the issue.

And yes, Biden’s second year has been relatively successful. He’s not who I wanted as the nominee in 2020 and I was critical of his first year.. but he has done well in his second year.

His legacy will depend on next year though with a (most likely) Republican controlled house.
I’m sorry but “done well”? We are in the throes of a recession which he initially termed as transitory inflation; The southern border is a mess; and he continues to spew divisive rhetoric.
 
I’m sorry but “done well”? We are in the throes of a recession which he initially termed as transitory inflation; The southern border is a mess; and he continues to spew divisive rhetoric.

The transitory talk was before a war between Russia and Ukraine which has had a global impact on energy costs and inflation. Most forecasts project 2023 to get down to 3-4% so we are on the right path.

q3 results will most likely have us out of a recession, so not really in the throes.

I’ve criticized him on the border. I wouldn’t grade him an A, but he does get credit for significant legislation passed. These bills will put us on a path to actually compete globally in industries which we have not been giving enough attention to… but it’s not like a bill passes and the results happen the next day. A few years down the line and people will appreciate how significant they were.
 
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The transitory talk was before a war between Russia and Ukraine which has had a global impact on energy costs and inflation. Most forecasts project 2023 to get down to 3-4% so we are on the right path.
I’ll call BS on this. Yellen has been a disaster and inflation on non-energy items has been extremely high. Nothing to do with Ukraine. Now we are starting to see layoffs in certain industries like retail. Don’t share your optimism based on what I’m seeing.
q3 results will most likely have us out of a recession, so not really in the throes.

I’ve criticized him on the border. I wouldn’t grade him an A, but he does get credit for significant legislation passed. These bills will put us on a path to actually compete globally in industries which we have not been giving enough attention to… but it’s not like a bill passes and the results happen the next day. A few years down the line and people will appreciate how significant they were.
What would you grade him?
 
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Yeah, that $750B Inflation Reduction Act is really going to stomp out inflation. Oh I know.....it will take time....we have to be patient.

Soylent Green was set in NYC in 2022. We are not there yet but maybe he can get us close.
 
Biden has done well if you think the border is closed, inflation is only up an inch,emptying half of strategic petroleum because of politics is justifed because of the emergency of higher gas prices effect on elections,forgiving student loans to placate the progressives, berating Scotus for Roe reversal,backing abortion up to moment of birth etc.I could go on ,but it is obvious with these accomplishments that Biden is one of the great ones LOL
 
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Biden has done well if you think the border is closed, inflation is only up an inch,emptying half of strategic petroleum because of politics is justifed because of the emergency of higher gas prices effect on elections,forgiving student loans to placate the progressives, berating Scotus for Roe reversal,backing abortion up to moment of birth etc.I could go on ,but it is obvious with these accomplishments that Biden is one of the great ones LOL
One thing that rarely gets mentioned is the infrastructure bill that was passed. It will help red and blue states and will create jobs. A bill that trump talked about but never got passed .
 
I’ll call BS on this. Yellen has been a disaster and inflation on non-energy items has been extremely high. Nothing to do with Ukraine. Now we are starting to see layoffs in certain industries like retail. Don’t share your optimism based on what I’m seeing.

As we take steps to curb inflation and demand starts to decrease, we will lose jobs especially in retail.
Curbing inflation while preventing a recession are two competing objectives. You can't really be aggressive on one end of that because it will shock the other.

Optimism is for the future. Infrastructure bill requires materials to be made in America. CHIPS and IRA bills both with spending and incentives for directly manufacturing in America to reduce our reliance on China? Those bills are each significant legislative accomplishments that will put us on a solid path for the next 10+ years.

What would you grade him?

First year below average (D) - second year above average. (B)
 
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Yeah, that $750B Inflation Reduction Act is really going to stomp out inflation. Oh I know.....it will take time....we have to be patient.


I think most here have said that Reagan is the best president of their lifetime.
Did he come in and fix everything right away? Or did a global energy crisis and high inflation take time to manage? Unemployment had increased from 6.3% when he took office to 10.4% at this point of his presidency.

So, yes. This stuff does take time.
 
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As we take steps to curb inflation and demand starts to decrease, we will lose jobs especially in retail.
Curbing inflation while preventing a recession are two competing objectives. You can't really be aggressive on one end of that because it will shock the other.
That's deflecting the denial of "transitory inflation". The administration's story continues to change as the recession has worsened. Continuing to spend money without concern of how it effects short-term inflation has been a mistake.
Optimism is for the future. Infrastructure bill requires materials to be made in America. CHIPS and IRA bills both with spending and incentives for directly manufacturing in America to reduce our reliance on China? Those bills are each significant legislative accomplishments that will put us on a solid path for the next 10+ years.



First year below average (D) - second year above average. (B)
You are a generous grader. Not sure how infrastructure trumps the mess at our border, the continued drug epidemic (tied to border security, divisive rhetoric (including criticisms of an institution like SCOTUS), and the Student Loan forgiveness which his own party is questioning.
 
You are a generous grader. Not sure how infrastructure trumps the mess at our border, the continued drug epidemic (tied to border security, divisive rhetoric (including criticisms of an institution like SCOTUS), and the Student Loan forgiveness which his own party is questioning.

Because I believe that the key legislation he signed is among the most significant legislation for infrastructure and American manufacturing that has been passed in quite some time. I think each is incredibly important for our future.
 
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Because I believe that the key legislation he signed is among the most significant legislation for infrastructure and American manufacturing that has been passed in quite some time. I think each is incredibly important for our future.
So failing on the short term stuff which is measurable. But doing great on the long term stuff that can’t be measured for decade(s). Solid B…lol
 
So failing on the short term stuff which is measurable. But doing great on the long term stuff that can’t be measured for decade(s). Solid B…lol

And you would have thought Reagan was a failure as well on this day of his presidency if you ignore long term policy.

Yes, the long term stuff matters quite a bit and the impacts will be seen in years, not decades.
Wouldn't really agree we are failing in the short term either. We are taking steps to manage inflation which has impacted the entire world while trying to limit that impact on the economy overall.
 
And you would have thought Reagan was a failure as well on this day of his presidency if you ignore long term policy.

Yes, the long term stuff matters quite a bit and the impacts will be seen in years, not decades.
Wouldn't really agree we are failing in the short term either. We are taking steps to manage inflation which has impacted the entire world while trying to limit that impact on the economy overall.
If you were going to play the whataboutism game, would have to go back and look at everything Reagan accomplished or didn’t in the short term.

Explain how student loan forgiveness curbs inflation.
 
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That was at the bottom of his approval rating 3 months ago.

Here is one from 10 hours ago.

 
The policy of loan foregiveness was silly…and stupid. I was being facetious in that it has nothing to do with inflation.

I'm not supportive of the idea in general. Overall I'd argue a net benefit to the economy in the long term, but it doesn't impact me otherwise personally.


That link really doesn't speak to anything I was talking about here.
 
Here is one from 10 hours ago.


He was at a few campaign events in September... but a fair point that he doesn't really energize the base.
 
I'm not supportive of the idea in general. Overall I'd argue a net benefit to the economy in the long term, but it doesn't impact me otherwise personally.
Not supportive? That’s diplomatic.
That link really doesn't speak to anything I was talking about here.
Economists questioning his policies being effective.
 
Not supportive? That’s diplomatic.

Correct. I don't think it was necessary but it doesn't hurt anything and will be overall beneficial to the economy.

Economists questioning his policies being effective.

That's not what that link says. That link is talking about debt.
Nothing about the impact to inflation and the economic impacts from the legislation that was passed.
 
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