The college basketball season is barreling toward disaster

[HALL85]

Economic uncertainty / anxiety is a fairly large component of our overall mental health. Throwing money at it would have relieved some of that stress and anxiety.



I'm not opposed to blaming China and holding them accountable. I am opposed to using the phrase which is outside of what the entire world is calling the virus to attach an ethnicity to it.

Unemployment is 6.8% (about 3% higher than pre-pandemic) which is pretty amazing considering how the it is portrayed. Most of that number is in hospitality, entertainment, travel, and restaurants. There are actually many industries that are having record years (and rewarding their employees). Should we help those people and industries that have been effected most...absolutely. But throwing more money at people that got the original stimulus and are back at work (and making more in many cases), I don't think does anything to move the needle on their mental health.

I believe we are going to see some long term implications due to remote learning - mental health, issues with reduced physical activities and socialization with children...a group pretty much unaffected by the virus itself.

I don't know why we need to measure ourselves to the rest of the world on naming a virus. We use terms indigenous to our culture all the time that the rest of the world doesn't. It emanated in China and quite frankly reminds us that several of these have previously started there as well. It's a good reminder in terms of holding them accountable for their inaction.

 

[HALL85]

Can't really speak to the common phrasing of the term 100 years ago, so I would say for certain either way. The common phrasing of this virus is/was the coronavirus or Covid.

Words matter, and as we started seeing reports of an increase in hostility towards Asians in the US, it became more important to understand the impact of placing an ethnicity on the virus.

Ebola wasn't 100 years ago...

 

[Merge]

Thank you (I guess?) for acknowledging the possibility of fraud

Fraud is always theoretically possible, though as someone who used to 3 hospital systems from 2011 - 2015 (now in financial services) I do have a decent understanding of potential fraud and the risks at hospitals. and as I said, I think you were confusing death certificate data with billing data. They are not the same. If a covid infected person dies at a hospital, the hospital will get the same amount of money if Covid is on the death certificate or not because they would bill Medicare for treating a covid infected person in either case.

 

[Merge]

Ebola wasn't 100 years ago...

You mean the Congo Virus?

yes... I am aware when the Ebola outbreak was. The question was about the Spanish Flu.

 

[SHUSA]

Unemployment is 6.8% (about 3% higher than pre-pandemic) which is pretty amazing considering how the it is portrayed. Most of that number is in hospitality, entertainment, travel, and restaurants. There are actually many industries that are having record years (and rewarding their employees). Should we help those people and industries that have been effected most...absolutely. But throwing more money at people that got the original stimulus and are back at work (and making more in many cases), I don't think does anything to move the needle on their mental health.

I believe we are going to see some long term implications due to remote learning - mental health, issues with reduced physical activities and socialization with children...a group pretty much unaffected by the virus itself.

I don't know why we need to measure ourselves to the rest of the world on naming a virus. We use terms indigenous to our culture all the time that the rest of the world doesn't. It emanated in China and quite frankly reminds us that several of these have previously started there as well. It's a good reminder in terms of holding them accountable for their inaction.

mental health was already on the trend to be where it is now anyway. we need to look a little closer at identifying the pandemic as some sort of main indication. the problem was already there. pandemic only exacerbated it. fixing the pandemic wont rid the problem.

 

[HALL85]

You mean the Congo Virus?

yes... I am aware when the Ebola outbreak was. The question was about the Spanish Flu.

Ebola is a place (river), much like Spain is a place and China is a place.

 

[Merge]

Unemployment is 6.8% (about 3% higher than pre-pandemic) which is pretty amazing considering how the it is portrayed. Most of that number is in hospitality, entertainment, travel, and restaurants. There are actually many industries that are having record years (and rewarding their employees). Should we help those people and industries that have been effected most...absolutely. But throwing more money at people that got the original stimulus and are back at work (and making more in many cases), I don't think does anything to move the needle on their mental health

Total employment is down about 8 million people from February.

Lets not paint a rosy picture of that. We are doing ok, but this is a long road and providing money absolutely would have helped people in need and it would also boost the economy and encourage employment since companies know people will have money to spend.

 

[HALL85]

mental health was already on the trend to be where it is now anyway. we need to look a little closer at identifying the pandemic as some sort of main indication. the problem was already there. pandemic only exacerbated it. fixing the pandemic wont rid the problem.

Never said mental health isn't an issue. Prescription drugs have jumped 20% this year for anti-anxiety, anti-depression meds. The pandemic has exacerbated the problem.

 

[shu09]

Can't really speak to the common phrasing of the term 100 years ago, so I would say for certain either way. The common phrasing of this virus is/was the coronavirus or Covid.

Words matter, and as we started seeing reports of an increase in hostility towards Asians in the US, it became more important to understand the impact of placing an ethnicity on the virus.

Wahh, wahh, wahh. Please. Call it whatever you want. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Only people like you who's agenda it is to divide people on identity politics even think about this.

Actions matter more than words and the Chinese government's actions directly contributed to what we see today.

 

[Merge]

Ebola is a place (river), much like Spain is a place and China is a place.

Slightly different as there are no people from Ebola.
In fact, if you look up why they used the name Ebola, it was specifically to deter from stigmatizing the village where it originated.

Well done. You have proved my point.

 

[HALL85]

Slightly different as there are no people from Ebola.
In fact, if you look up why they used the name Ebola, it was specifically to deter from stigmatizing the village where it originated.

Well done. You have proved my point.

There is nothing wrong naming the flu after where it came from. Call the PC police if you would like.

Since you like to research the Coxsackie, Hendra and Marburg viruses were all named after towns/regions. Point...counterpoint....lol

 

[Merge]

Wahh, wahh, wahh. Please. Call it whatever you want. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Only people like you who's agenda it is to divide people on identity politics even think about this.

Actions matter more than words and the Chinese government's actions directly contributed to what we see today.

What is my agenda? Seething that Asian Americans are being targeted and thinking we (especially our elected officials) have a responsibility to understand that our words matter and we should try to limit that potential?

 

[Merge]

There is nothing wrong naming the flu after where it came from. Call the PC police if you would like.

The guy who named Ebola thinks you are wrong... but yeah, your example proves my point, but go ahead and double down and blame the "PC police"

I care about the intent of my words. Fine if you don't.

 

[shu09]

What is my agenda? Seething that Asian Americans are being targeted and thinking we (especially our elected officials) have a responsibility to understand that our words matter and we should try to limit that potential?

You (and people who think like you) try to pit Americans against each other on the basis of race, ethnicity, orientation, etc. This is divisive and does not bring people together. Just look what has happened in American society in 2020. All this divisiveness is the direct result of identity politics. Just look at the mayor of San Francisco today who was upset that Newsom appointed a latino and didn't appoint a black woman to replace Kamala Harris. Here's a suggestion: Let's replace the white congresswoman from San Francisco with a black woman. That I can get behind! But no, we'd never do that!

Asian Americans are not being targeted. Stop with the nonsense for once!

 

[Merge]

You (and people who think like you) try to pit Americans against each other on the basis of race, ethnicity, orientation, etc.

A bit of irony there when I am the one saying we should not to pit people against each other based on ethnicity by referring to the colloquial term of Covid as the china virus.

This is divisive and does not bring people together.

Calling the coronavirus "China virus" is not intended to "bring people together"

All this divisiveness is the direct result of identity politics. Just look at the mayor of San Francisco today who was upset that Newsom appointed a latino and didn't appoint a black woman to replace Kamala Harris.

and the mayor of San Francisco is a moron. Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.

Asian Americans are not being targeted. Stop with the nonsense for once!

lol... "for once".. .

2,120 hate incidents against Asian Americans reported during coronavirus pandemic

Groups that track the incidents related to the coronavirus report physical and verbal assaults, harassment and discrimination.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[HALL85]

The guy who named Ebola thinks you are wrong... but yeah, your example proves my point, but go ahead and double down and blame the "PC police"

I care about the intent of my words. Fine if you don't.

What about the other recent examples I provided of cities?

 

[knowknow456]

The guy who named Ebola thinks you are wrong... but yeah, your example proves my point, but go ahead and double down and blame the "PC police"

I care about the intent of my words. Fine if you don't.

He knows the point you are trying to make.

Mr. Sensitivity thinks trolling is fun when he does it to you. When it happens to him.....not so much.

 

[HALL85]

A bit of irony there when I am the one saying we should not to pit people against each other based on ethnicity by referring to the colloquial term of Covid as the china virus.



Calling the coronavirus "China virus" is not intended to "bring people together"



and the mayor of San Francisco is a moron. Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.



lol... "for once".. .

2,120 hate incidents against Asian Americans reported during coronavirus pandemic

Groups that track the incidents related to the coronavirus report physical and verbal assaults, harassment and discrimination.

www.cbsnews.com

That’s a pretty lame story. 40% of the claims are from the state of California? And the website to collect the hate crimes it’s from an Asian advocacy group. I would question the legitimacy of this data since it’s not a government source.

You can find a handful of people amongst 330 million citizens on any given day That do stupid things. There is nothing to indicate that these attacks are widespread like you are portraying.

 

[Merge]

What about the other recent examples I provided of cities?

Listen, there are probably many reasons why names of these things are chosen. I'm not going to pretend to know them all.

Corona virus was named coronavirus because of the way it looked, and we went with Covid-19. No scientist named this virus the "china virus"

If they had, calling it by that name would be less racist.

As it stands, calling it "China virus" isn't based on anything scientific, so lets not pretend it is.

 

[Merge]

That’s a pretty lame story. 40% of the claims are from the state of California? And the website to collect the hate crimes it’s from an Asian advocacy group. I would question the legitimacy of this data since it’s not a government source.

You can find a handful of people amongst 330 million citizens on any given day That do stupid things. There is nothing to indicate that these attacks are widespread like you are portraying.

Don't really have access to real time data.
What I do believe (in most cases actually) is that we err on the side of caution and mitigate risk.

 

[shu09]

A bit of irony there when I am the one saying we should not to pit people against each other based on ethnicity by referring to the colloquial term of Covid as the china virus.



Calling the coronavirus "China virus" is not intended to "bring people together"



and the mayor of San Francisco is a moron. Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.



lol... "for once".. .

2,120 hate incidents against Asian Americans reported during coronavirus pandemic

Groups that track the incidents related to the coronavirus report physical and verbal assaults, harassment and discrimination.

www.cbsnews.com

Story from July, nice try.

 

[SHUSA]

im going to call it a giant pain in the ass

 

[Merge]

Story from July, nice try.

What we are talking about here is how Asian Americans were possibly targeted (and I do say possibly because I don't have access to real time data) because of people attaching their ethnicity to the pandemic.

I am not sure why you believe that July would not be relevant to that discussion.

 

[HALL85]

Listen, there are probably many reasons why names of these things are chosen. I'm not going to pretend to know them all.

Corona virus was named coronavirus because of the way it looked, and we went with Covid-19. No scientist named this virus the "china virus"

If they had, calling it by that name would be less racist.

As it stands, calling it "China virus" isn't based on anything scientific, so lets not pretend it is.

There are a lot of unscientific names that are used to describe a scientific event...."Superstrom Sandy", "Snowmageddon", etc.

Look, we know you have a hard-on for Trump, so since he began calling it the China virus, it gave you a chance to use all of those MSM and Liberal terms to label him. There is no proof of any widespread systematic attacks. And there is no reason why we should find ways to keep the heat on China for being the source of the virus and then hiding information that ended up killing millions of people around the world.

 

[Hallsome]

Fraud is always theoretically possible, though as someone who used to 3 hospital systems from 2011 - 2015 (now in financial services) I do have a decent understanding of potential fraud and the risks at hospitals. and as I said, I think you were confusing death certificate data with billing data. They are not the same. If a covid infected person dies at a hospital, the hospital will get the same amount of money if Covid is on the death certificate or not because they would bill Medicare for treating a covid infected person in either case.

I didn’t confuse shit an I don’t care about your background and you know nothing of mine. My final post on topic is a above and speaks for itself. Agree or disagree don’t care but pleas don’t say what you think I was confusing to act like you’re right or something. Again there’s no right or wrong on being skeptical based on real life examples

 

[Merge]

but pleas don’t say what you think I was confusing to act like you’re right or something. Again there’s no right or wrong on being skeptical based on real life examples

To be clear... when you said..

But some hospitals etc make more $ by mentioning Covid in a death warrant regardless of the true cause

^ That is not correct.

Remain skeptical all you like. I was just point out the incorrect assumption.

 

[Hallsome]

What we are talking about here is how Asian Americans were possibly targeted (and I do say possibly because I don't have access to real time data) because of people attaching their ethnicity to the pandemic.

I am not sure why you believe that July would not be relevant to that discussion.

Anyone who targets/blames any civilian for the virus is a complete moron. blame lies with Chinese business, Chinese government (notwithstanding the overlap) and WHO. I don’t care what they call it but I find the liberal hypocrisy on these topics amusing as always even if abundant

 

[Merge]

Anyone who targets/blames any civilian for the virus is a complete moron.

Agreed.

blame lies with Chinese business, Chinese government (notwithstanding the overlap) and WHO

Agreed.

I don’t care what they call it

Well, me neither really but they went with Covid-19.

Search his twitter account. Trump changed from calling it Coronavirus in February to the "Chinese Virus" in March. In my opinion, the reason was because things were taking a turn for the worse in March and he didn't want to take any blame.

Again, I am fine blaming China overall. This pandemic is their fault.
We should blame their government, but if there is a hint that Asian Americans are being targeted because of the virus due to their ethnicity then I say the president of the united states should mitigate that potential. Not sure why that is a partisan stance.

 

[Hallsome]

Agreed.



Agreed.



Well, me neither really but they went with Covid-19.

Search his twitter account. Trump changed from calling it Coronavirus in February to the "Chinese Virus" in March. In my opinion, the reason was because things were taking a turn for the worse in March and he didn't want to take any blame.

Again, I am fine blaming China overall. This pandemic is their fault.
We should blame their government, but if there is a hint that Asian Americans are being targeted because of the virus due to their ethnicity then I say the president of the united states should mitigate that potential. Not sure why that is a partisan stance.

Nobody should use a nickname that is offensive.

Glad you took the opportunity to bring an irrelevant topic (Trump) into play (again). Here’s a quote from March:

“It is very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States, and all around the world,They are amazing people, and the spreading of the Virus is NOT their fault in any way, shape, or form."

 

[Merge]

Nobody should use a nickname that is offensive.

Glad you took the opportunity to bring an irrelevant topic (Trump) into play (again). Here’s a quote from March:

“It is very important that we totally protect our Asian American community in the United States, and all around the world,They are amazing people, and the spreading of the Virus is NOT their fault in any way, shape, or form."

Irrelevant? Trump is why this topic was brought up.

Add in the context though.

Trump was responding to a reporter about his use of the phase Chinese Virus considering reports of Asian Americans being targeted.

That was his response, yet he continued to call it the Chinese and China virus which makes it even worse that he continued to do so because it shows how much he really cared.

 

[Hallsome]

Irrelevant? Trump is why this topic was brought up.

Add in the context though.

Trump was responding to a reporter about his use of the phase Chinese Virus considering reports of Asian Americans being targeted.

That was his response, yet he continued to call it the Chinese and China virus which makes it even worse that he continued to do so because it shows how much he really cared.

You like to assign everything to Trump which isn’t bright.

 

[shufan1993]

Hello @Merge. The great governor is now blaming the federal government for his own administrations mistake of missing the LTC vaccine deadline. Do you agree with the governor here? I'm sure you do because Trump is always blamed! Also, what happened to Cuomo's/Murphy's internal teams that were supposed to review a Trump vaccine?

Murphy explains why N.J. missed deadline to begin nursing home COVID-19 vaccines

New Jersey will start the vaccinations a week later because it missed a deadline by one day.

www.nj.com

 

[Merge]

Hello @Merge. The great governor is now blaming the federal government for his own administrations mistake of missing the LTC vaccine deadline. Do you agree with the governor here? I'm sure you do because Trump is always blamed! Also, what happened to Cuomo's/Murphy's internal teams that were supposed to review a Trump vaccine?

Murphy explains why N.J. missed deadline to begin nursing home COVID-19 vaccines

New Jersey will start the vaccinations a week later because it missed a deadline by one day.

www.nj.com

Nope. Squarely on Murphy there as I posted in the other thread.
No excuse for not getting it done.

My views on Trump don't cloud my objectivity
Not everything is Trump's fault. Didn't blame him that the virus got here.
I was critical of his response but I've also been critical of Murphy's reopening plans.

 

[shufan1993]

Nope. Squarely on Murphy there as I posted in the other thread.
No excuse for not getting it done.

My views on Trump don't cloud my objectivity
Not everything is Trump's fault. Didn't blame him that the virus got here.
I was critical of his response but I've also been critical of Murphy's reopening plans.

Also where is the credit the Trump should receive for operation warp speed? Fauci is now raving about the Trump admins operation warp speed approach and getting the vaccines approved. Please note NBC also "fact checked" Trump months ago and said the vaccine would not be approved this year. This was according to NBC's "Experts". More like deceiving the public.

Dr. Fauci On When Life Will Return To ‘Normal’

It’s the holiday season, and thanks to the hard work of many, many scientists, we got the best gift of all: COVID-19 vaccines that work better than any of us co…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[shufan1993]

Nope. Squarely on Murphy there as I posted in the other thread.
No excuse for not getting it done.

My views on Trump don't cloud my objectivity
Not everything is Trump's fault. Didn't blame him that the virus got here.
I was critical of his response but I've also been critical of Murphy's reopening plans.

@Merge Can you please also comment on the Cuomo/Murphy research teams that were supposed to review a "Trump" vaccine? Whatever happened to that? If I remember correctly you supported this approach.

 

[Merge]

Also where is the credit the Trump should receive for operation warp speed? Fauci is now raving about the Trump admins operation warp speed approach and getting the vaccines approved. Please note NBC also "fact checked" Trump months ago and said the vaccine would not be approved this year. This was according to NBC's "Experts". More like deceiving the public.

Dr. Fauci On When Life Will Return To ‘Normal’

It’s the holiday season, and thanks to the hard work of many, many scientists, we got the best gift of all: COVID-19 vaccines that work better than any of us co…

fivethirtyeight.com

It was lost in a thread trying to make up ways it helped, but I gave credit to OWS for ensuring that the US would be in the front of the line in getting doses early and that it was good that the helped fund research and manufacturing (just not for Pfizer) and said I would be supportive of that system for any major drug innovation.

Hard to fact check a claim about the future. Early comments from Fauci that I recall was that the best case scenario was to get a Vaccine around December and would be mostly administered in Q1 and Q2 of 2021 but said that would be extremely fast for vaccine development and it could take longer.

 

[Merge]

@Merge Can you please also comment on the Cuomo/Murphy research teams that were supposed to review a "Trump" vaccine? Whatever happened to that? If I remember correctly you supported this approach.

Nope. Wasn't me. That was just absurd political noise.
There was concern that Trump would be able to push through something since he fired everyone who said no to him, but I didn't think that was really a valid concern since I trusted the process and didn't think Trump could influence it.

 

[Hallsome]

Nope. Wasn't me. That was just absurd political noise.
There was concern that Trump would be able to push through something since he fired everyone who said no to him, but I didn't think that was really a valid concern since I trusted the process and didn't think Trump could influence it.

Why can’t you ever actually respond to questions about the party you support? Your go to answers to questions (which q’s are obviously designed to expose the hypocrisy of Dems) are we need more facts or “I” never said that.

 

[Merge]

Why can’t you ever actually respond to questions about the party you support? Your go to answers to questions (which q’s are obviously designed to expose the hypocrisy of Dems) are we need more facts or “I” never said that.

He asked me about supporting the idea that Cuomo and Murphy would review the vaccine on their own which is something I didn’t say, and then I called those comments absurd political noise.

Not really sure what you have an issue with.

 

[SHUSA]

Why can’t you ever actually respond to questions about the party you support? Your go to answers to questions (which q’s are obviously designed to expose the hypocrisy of Dems) are we need more facts or “I” never said that.

nobody should support a party for party sake.