The Giants - New Low. Approaching Howard Beale Status

[hallgrad80]

The only solace we can take from how bad the Giants are that it may put us in a position to get a top of the draft pick in the first round and enable us to draft one of the few quality QB’s in a very thin draft for QB ‘ s .

 

[HallGuy23]

Darnold

Russell Wilson who the Giants had in but told he could not compete for starting role.

Bo Nix was behind Stidham when year started.

Signed Locke when Jones was a huge question mark.

Schoen thought could keep Tyrod when they benched him last year for Devito. Tyrod moved on to the Jets quickly.

Oh I see, you get to pick the QB’s after they’re doing well! Darnold was never going to come back to NY, nor would he be playing as well outdoors as he is inside with Minnesota.

Perhaps you’re right about Russell Wilson. Maybe he didn’t want the competition and say Justin Fields as easier to step over? Idk.

I’m all for signing or trading for a veteran this off season and regardless of the result having them do whatever it takes to draft Arch Manning following that season.

 

[hallwins]

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Oh I see, you get to pick the QB’s after they’re doing well! Darnold was never going to come back to NY, nor would he be playing as well outdoors as he is inside with Minnesota.

Perhaps you’re right about Russell Wilson. Maybe he didn’t want the competition and say Justin Fields as easier to step over? Idk.

I’m all for signing or trading for a veteran this off season and regardless of the result having them do whatever it takes to draft Arch Manning following that season.

Pointed out to you a few back ups that are winning games after you said there were none. With HORRIFIC QB play the Giants were close I'm alot of games. GM malpractice to not give the rest of the roster a chance to win to prop up his abysmal decision to extend Jones. Tons of options were out there and he spent 5 million on Locke who cannot get on the field.

 

[hallwins]

Franchise Jones
Don't treat Jones and Barkley as the same level players and tell then will tag the one that does not sign extension.

 

[hallwins]

You said there were 2 back ups Flacco and Willis. I Pointed out to you 3 more back ups that are winning games after you said there were none.

With HORRIFIC QB play the Giants were close I'm alot of games. GM malpractice to not give the rest of the roster a chance to win to prop up his abysmal decision to extend Jones. Tons of options were out there and he spent 5 million on Locke who cannot get on the field.

 

[HallGuy23]

I

Pointed out to you a few back ups that are winning games after you said there were none. With HORRIFIC QB play the Giants were close I'm alot of games. GM malpractice to not give the rest of the roster a chance to win to prop up his abysmal decision to extend Jones. Tons of options were out there and he spent 5 million on Locke who cannot get on the field.

Darnold and Wilson are starters….. Wilson was hurt to start the year. Come on man. I literally provided an up to date list.

 

[hallwins]

Darnold and Wilson are starters….. Wilson was hurt to start the year. Come on man. I literally provided an up to date list.

Vikings drafted McCarthy and were allowing there to be an actual competition for the QB1 job. Fair enough if you want to say Darmold was a starter, but he was not a cemented number 1 and before he got hurt, McCarthy was seriously challenging for the job. Jones has never had to compete for the job with the Giants.

I get it. You are sold on Schoen and Daboll and I am not. I don't trust Schoen to rebuild. He clearly has little feel for locker room chemistry issues and cannot feel good about the post game last night with Eagles fans chanting Thank You Giants. Mara keeps reliving his nightmare each week.

I just want the Giants to have meaningful football after Halloween next year.

 

[Burnsly]

Here's a crazy stat I just saw. Giants have a -6 turnover ratio & their secondary has 0 interceptions. They only have 1 int. through 10 games & that was by a LB. Jones hasn't been good but to pin this dismal season all on him is absurd.

 

[hallwins]

Here's a crazy stat I just saw. Giants have a -6 turnover ratio & their secondary has 0 interceptions. They only have 1 int. through 10 games & that was by a LB. Jones hasn't been good but to pin this dismal season all on him is absurd.

Absolutely.

 

[Section112]

What an indictment of Schoen that the new starter is Tommy Cutlets. Drew Lock couldn't even beat him out for the job now that they are sitting Jones. This GM gives me no confidence at all. Why pay Lock $5M if he can't even come in and start in place of Jones (unless they are trying to tank the rest of the games)?

 

[Piratz]

Man, these evaluations… whew. Imagine you’re Joe Schoen explaining these things? LMAO. We knew they’d have this out if Jones didn’t keep getting better but who again were they bidding against on the contract??? Then you go out and throw $5M out the window on Lock?

Only the Giants could bench one of the worst QB’s in the league that they gave too many opportunities over 6 seasons instead of cutting bait and somehow take on more criticism. 🤣🤣💀

 

[NYC Pirate]

What an indictment of Schoen that the new starter is Tommy Cutlets. Drew Lock couldn't even beat him out for the job now that they are sitting Jones. This GM gives me no confidence at all. Why pay Lock $5M if he can't even come in and start in place of Jones (unless they are trying to tank the rest of the games)?

I think you have Lock just in case the team did well and then DJ got hurt near an important game or during an important game. Obviously, that isn't going to happen. At this point Tommy is more appealing as far as lending a storyline to the remaining games. Lock is kind of bland. Tough spot on how to compensate the backup and that I agree with you on.

 

[hallwins]

I think you have Lock just in case the team did well and then DJ got hurt near an important game or during an important game. Obviously, that isn't going to happen. At this point Tommy is more appealing as far as lending a storyline to the remaining games. Lock is kind of bland. Tough spot on how to compensate the backup and that I agree with you on.

Team has a better chance of winning games with Devito which is why Daboll is playing him. Daboll is coaching for his job. I personally think Schoen is already cooked and out.

 

[Burnsly]

This is the exact reason the Giants are a failed organization. If Tracy doesn't fumble & the Giants beat the Panthers in OT do you really think they'd still be making this change. It's a reaction to try & placate the fans, now that the season is spent & they lost to one of the worst teams in the league.

Jones should have been benched for Devito weeks ago. We all know what he is now & his confidence is shot under Dabol. He very well could be a serviceable QB for the right organization (similar to Darnold) but his time in NY is done.

I think Dabol & Schoen are both cooked and out. A new GM is going to want his own coach unless they decide to hire from within... which would be even more of a disaster but not a surprise.

 

[HallGuy23]

What an indictment of Schoen that the new starter is Tommy Cutlets. Drew Lock couldn't even beat him out for the job now that they are sitting Jones. This GM gives me no confidence at all. Why pay Lock $5M if he can't even come in and start in place of Jones (unless they are trying to tank the rest of the games)?

You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about. They’re starting Devito because they’re interested in seeing if he can be a backup next year. Drew Lock is here on a 1 year deal and will not be back no matter what. If the Giants were 8-2 and Jones got hurt. Lock would 100% starting in Sunday. But yeah it’s Schoens fault says the uninformed fan!!!

 

[HallGuy23]

Team has a better chance of winning games with Devito which is why Daboll is playing him. Daboll is coaching for his job. I personally think Schoen is already cooked and out.

Wrong

 

[HallGuy23]

This is the exact reason the Giants are a failed organization. If Tracy doesn't fumble & the Giants beat the Panthers in OT do you really think they'd still be making this change. It's a reaction to try & placate the fans, now that the season is spent & they lost to one of the worst teams in the league.

Jones should have been benched for Devito weeks ago. We all know what he is now & his confidence is shot under Dabol. He very well could be a serviceable QB for the right organization (similar to Darnold) but his time in NY is done.

I think Dabol & Schoen are both cooked and out. A new GM is going to want his own coach unless they decide to hire from within... which would be even more of a disaster but not a surprise.

Yes the giants were making this change regardless of the panthers result. It’s all about an injury guarantee in Daniel Jones contract that they are making sure doesn’t kick in and screw them next year.

This thread keeps getting worse and worse and more uninformed. Let’s stick to celebrating 5th year seniors scoring 6ppg against D-2 programs….

 

[hallwins]

You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about. They’re starting Devito because they’re interested in seeing if he can be a backup next year. Drew Lock is here on a 1 year deal and will not be back no matter what. If the Giants were 8-2 and Jones got hurt. Lock would 100% starting in Sunday. But yeah it’s Schoens fault says the uninformed fan!!!

Seriously, you think Schoen is happy with Daboll decision to start Devito over the qb he signed to be the back up?

 

[HallGuy23]

Seriously, you think Schoen is happy with Daboll decision to start Devito over the qb he signed to be the back up?

1000%.

 

[Piratz]

They waited too long to pull the plug on Jones and give Lock a legit chance. Pittsburgh should’ve been it after what he did against Dallas and Cincinnati… same ol same ol. Maybe you beat Washington and Carolina who knows.

I give credit to New England, San Francisco, Arizona, Pittsburgh and so on as they were teams that realized they drafted a bust QB in the 1st Round and moved on timely.

I mean they’re 2-8. At least Cutlets will be something to watch.

 

[Section112]

You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about. They’re starting Devito because they’re interested in seeing if he can be a backup next year. Drew Lock is here on a 1 year deal and will not be back no matter what. If the Giants were 8-2 and Jones got hurt. Lock would 100% starting in Sunday. But yeah it’s Schoens fault says the uninformed fan!!!

I get it now. You are Schoens nephew. Tell your Uncle he’s terrible.

 

[HallGuy23]

I get it now. You are Schoens nephew. Tell your Uncle he’s terrible.

Yep, respond to facts and logic with insults. Typical internet

 

[Burnsly]

If it was all about Jones injury guarantee why did he start against the Panthers. Devito was better than Jones last year. He won 3 games & should have won a 4th against the Jets if Saquon knew where the 1st down marker was.

 

[hallgrad80]

What we’re seeing with the Giants is a total organizational failure and until Mara brings in an experienced head of football operations and lets him do his job the future for the Giants is not promising..

 

[HallGuy23]

What we’re seeing with the Giants is a total organizational failure and until Mara brings in an experienced head of football operations and lets him do his job the future for the Giants is not promising..

It’s not organizational failure; They have bad quarterback play.. it’s kinda like having bad PG play even tho both are very experienced.. see what I did there?

 

[Piratz]

The level of roster you need to have to be respectable with this type of bad QB play is basically unattainable in this day and age with the cap, rule changes, and player movement.

But the inverse is also true: Good QB play raises any roster. They invested that 2022 Daniel Jones was the starting point to build with this regime and they gave themselves an out if that don’t happen. Here we are.

As someone who watched the Dave Brown Era, no more Duke QBs please. 🤣

 

[Burnsly]

Bad QB play, bad DB play, bad WR, play bad TE play, bad LB play, bad OL play. The only unit that plays at a playoff caliber is the DL.

 

[MooneyHall07]

Team has a better chance of winning games with Devito which is why Daboll is playing him. Daboll is coaching for his job. I personally think Schoen is already cooked and out.

Mike Francesca gets mocked sometimes, but IMO he was spot on in his podcast today. His theory was that 1. This was done so that MetLife home games would be full, and DeVito draws tickets 2. Drew Lock would have been the backup QB if they were winning and Jones got hurt and 3. It's a win-win situation. If they win, then they get DeVito-mania rolling again and thus give fans something to cheer for this season. If they lose, then they likely get a top draft pick. If Daboll was coaching for his job, he would have picked the 2nd string QB to start, not the 3rd string. They have been told that as of now they are coming back.

 

[hbkmyr]

Who knows what’s going on. It’s a mess.

Fox Sports’ Jordan Schultz reports, “While ownership has suggested he’ll return, there is a growing sense that Giants HC Brian Daboll is coaching for his job over the final seven games.”

This belief supposedly led to Daboll naming Tommy DeVito the starter over Drew Lock. A two-year vet of Daboll’s offensive system, it would seem Daboll is hoping DeVito’s familiarity with the system can lead to a strong run down the stretch and his return in 2025 for what will undoubtedly be an offseason full of changes. Daboll started off strong out of the gate, going 9-7-1 in his first season at the helm. He managed just six wins last season and is currently sitting on two wins through the first 11 weeks of this year. He’ll look to turn things around starting in Week 12 against the Buccaneers, but Daboll may not be long for the Giants if he can’t string together a few wins and end the year on a high note during the final months of the season