Who exactly do you mean by last few Presidents? I am a little young to remember FDR.
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Who exactly do you mean by last few Presidents? I am a little young to remember FDR.
Thinking he was the smartest man in the room made Obama a jerk but not a dictator. Obama's motto was "Yes we can", not, "I alone can fix America's Problems".
Bush had no mandate to be a dictator; he was elected by the slimmest of margins. He was also raised by one of the all time great public servants. There are many reasons Bush gets criticized, but looking to be a dictator is far down on the list.
Bush had no mandate to be a dictator; he was elected by the slimmest of margins. He was also raised by one of the all time great public servants. There are many reasons Bush gets criticized, but looking to be a dictator is far down on the list.
I would respectfully disagree as both used signing statenents and executive orders to dictate large swaths of legislative power. Look at Obama's supreme court record as well.
Obama's Supreme Court picks are no different from any other President. Liberals pick liberals and conservatives pick conservatives. Now they over time they may not turn out that way but when they were chosen that's what they usually were. The best judges though are the ones that treat each case individually and decide on the particular facts rather than on political philosophy.
Tom K
That's not what I meant, I meant his record of having his administration overturned by the supreme court, worst in modern history. That points to trying to be a dictator.
http://epstein.wustl.edu/research/PresWinRate.pdf
That is interesting but lacks some detail I would want to see to support the claim on a trend towards dictatorship... such as the number of cases that dealt with actual executive overreach for each president.
Definitely something to be concerned about but the content of the cases is what would be most important.
Come on, it's the supreme court not municipal court, all cases that reach that level are important.
And can't wait to see what happens under this president, SMH................
I think the criticism is definitely fair - Just not really sure how bad it is historically without more context.
Having listened to a bunch of people over the last few months, IMO this article interviewing six people pretty much nails it on the Trump phenomena. (On CNN - fake news - of all places...lol). The poll they cite shows Trump at an all-time low approval vs. other Presidents at the start of their terms, but at an 87% approval amongst Republicans second only to Reagan for Reps over the last 65 years. I thought it was worth the read because it's about why real people who didn't support him, ended up voting for him and why they still support him even with all the reservations.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/donald-trump-republican-support/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/donald-trump-republican-support/index.html
The attachment makes no correlation between win rate and a Bush or Obama dictatorship. Presidents have been winning fewer Supreme Court cases over a 30 year period. By the end of the Reagan era, success rates began dropping.
I looked at the same chart and reached a different conclusion. GWB & BO have lower "win" rates than their predecessors, but also have had far fewer cases come before the Court. Fewer cases implies fewer laws that were Constitutionally suspect requiring Supreme Court review. The attachment implies that Bush and Obama were more Constitutionally sound than they have been given credit for being.
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FAKE NEWS! If you bothered to pay attention, you would have realized that was a fantastic press conference. Trump was engaging and at times genuinely funny. Most importantly he told the TRUTH. The fact you don't like it merely shows you are a stooge of the failing mainstream media!!!!. SAD!
WRONG!!
FACT - It was a fantastic press conference. FACT- The President told the truth 100%. FACT - you don't even know when you are being fed wrong information by the dishonest media. This is why the Press is the Enemy of the People of the United States! They can fool people even when they are looking for it. MUST STOP!!
This is a little bit of breaking news but CNN, The NYT, The LA Times, Politico and Buzzfeed were blocked from attending an off camera White House Press Briefing.
Finally, the President has taken steps to stop the fake news emanating from those corrupt and failing news organizations. They are clearly the opposition party and should not be granted special access.
The next step to curbing these abusive enemies of the state should be to arrest the reporters of fake news and their bosses.
Finally, the President has taken steps to stop the fake news emanating from those corrupt and failing news organizations. They are clearly the opposition party and should not be granted special access.
The next step to curbing these abusive enemies of the state should be to arrest the reporters of fake news and their bosses.
Seems to me the fake news is what is emanating from the White House. I really think that Mr Trump thought he was elected Dictator rather than President. Shutting down the press is the first step towards dictatorship. I would think that you knew that.
Tom K
No... He didn't.
Obama never denied multiple press outlets to a press conference... but go on with your false equivalency.
We're a month in. Trump calls the media fake, and the opposition party and then blocks multiple press outlets from a briefing (gaggle, whatever...)
If that doesn't bother you at all, what will?
I am more concerned with trump doing this than I would have been with any other conservative because this is just another check in the box for a "how to become a fascist dictator" checklist.
What concerns me more is the blatant agenda of the media to twist everything Trump and his administration do. They are actively working against him, as is establishment Washington. I get it, people don't like their cozy little world of the political elites to be shaken up, but it's hard to trust anyone these days. Both the media and the White House.
I'll take "blow it out of proportion" as you put it (don't agree at all), over giving this monster & gaggle of assholes administration an inch. Almost everything he's done or said thus far has been a lie, moronic, embarrassing or dangerous...or some combination of those. None of this is normal or okay. So I'll take the press and social media rakihg him over the coals as much as possible instead of kowtowing like we have done with almost every president in modern history. He deserves all of this. He's a terrible person completely unfit to be in any part of gov't, nevermind President.
Pulling hard for Ellenson tomorrow in Atlanta. That will be the first sign the Dems are serious about fighting in the dirt with the Republicans.
What you say certainly may be true, but I'm intrigued to see how he goes about shaking up the ridiculous way things have been done in DC for far too long.
I didn't vote for him or HRC (two poor choices) but I've been willing to be fair and give him a chance. So far, he has been up and down in my view. He's only a month in to a four year term and people tend to overreact. The hysteria on the left is amusing though, as is the hypocrisy on the right.
I am excited about his tax plan. I don't make big money but I make enough to get by. Money is not everything to me but I'm sick of seeing 20-25% of my paycheck go to the government, most of it spent wastefully. I'd like to keep some more of my hard earned money. Taxes are necessary, but they are far too high in this country.
I think his plan to "rebuild" the military is misguided. We spend far too much on defense to begin with, we don't need to be spending more. We should be cutting the defense budget, outside of the essentials.
I like the message of America first instead of this globalist society that we have become over the last 30-40 years. We need a strong border, we need to put American workers and companies first. That's for sure. I am somewhat anxious about the specifics and the long term effect they will have, though.
I didn't vote for him or HRC (two poor choices) but I've been willing to be fair and give him a chance. So far, he has been up and down in my view. He's only a month in to a four year term and people tend to overreact. The hysteria on the left is amusing though, as is the hypocrisy on the right.
I am excited about his tax plan. I don't make big money but I make enough to get by. Money is not everything to me but I'm sick of seeing 20-25% of my paycheck go to the government, most of it spent wastefully. I'd like to keep some more of my hard earned money. Taxes are necessary, but they are far too high in this country.
I think his plan to "rebuild" the military is misguided. We spend far too much on defense to begin with, we don't need to be spending more. We should be cutting the defense budget, outside of the essentials.
I like the message of America first instead of this globalist society that we have become over the last 30-40 years. We need a strong border, we need to put American workers and companies first. That's for sure. I am somewhat anxious about the specifics and the long term effect they will have, though.
He didn't call all the media "fake news," only certain outlets. The media doesn't report that.
Nobody was "banned" from a WH "briefing." Certain reporters were simply not invited to an informal press gaggle. The media doesn't tell you that.
The executive order a few weeks ago wasn't a "Muslim ban." It was a temporary prohibition of immigration from specific countries with a history of support for terrorism. If it was a "Muslim ban," no Muslims from any country would have been allowed in. The media doesn't tell you that either.
Trump wants to build a wall on the Mexican border to stop ILLEGAL immigration. The media makes you believe he is anti-immigrant when he has said he has no problem with LEGAL immigration. The media and the far left have successfully (unfortunately) created this narrative that anyone who supports border security against ILLEGAL immigration is against ALL immigration. That is simply not true.
I could go on but it's late. Until next time.
I'll say that the problem with your approach is that you're taking everything he's done or says he going to do at face value. For someone who is getting glee from the one of the few things left that can put a check & a spotlight on Trump getting attacked daily for doing their job, you are treating this guy just like the media typically treats every issue (has since Bush took office at least: neutral to fault. Even when it's clear one side is lying, they just HAVE to call everything down the middle. Thats what you sound like, and you know better.
For example, there are deeper meanings behind the border wall, aggressive deportation tactics, the Muslim ban, and the ugly rhetoric from this prick & his asshole admininistration re: Hispanics, blacks, Isis, Muslims, the Chinese etc etc etc. And the deeper meanings are to speak in code with a wink to the truly racist contingent of his base (sure it's small, but it's dedicated and they helped him win) & as well the bigger purpose: perpetrating & growing the general "fear of the other" that the right consistently does to try & garner votes. As in..."look at all these scary brown people that are coming to kill you, or take your jobs, or disrupt your ridiculous 1950's view of how things oughta be in this country." There are plenty of dumb people out there, and its clear that they fall for this messed up scare tactic & then vote against their own interests. All these moves are done for the purpose of keeping these sheep thinking this way, and consolidating power from that. Seems so clear to me, its not like they're being subtle.
So people like Devos, Pruitt & Sessions don't bother you? They can do alot of damage for the next four years (although there now seems to be a better chance than a month ago that this piece of shit could get ousted/resign before the four years are through). Pruitt running the EPA is an absolutely absurd pick, as is Devos. Even if you want to reform one of these depts from the right, a qualification for the office should still be a clear track record of supporting the dept, not a clear record if wanting to "tear it down" as Bannon said yesterday.
This immediately combative approach to EVERYBODY doesn't bother you? You're Mr. Compromise, right? You think any of these assholes, including both parts of Congress, are going to compromise on anything? What about bringing people together? The angry, defiant attitude alone of him and his cronies is causing more divisiveness than we've ever seen. How can anyone who is skeptical of this prick but has a little bit of an open mind on him be swayed to his side with the constant angry, lying tweets, press conferences, press secretay BS, Kelly Ann Conway lying, etc. He's just giving red meat to his base, not attempting to bring anyone together.
Yea, glad fox and breitbart come away unscathed... please.... 5 MAJOR outlets in one tweet, and has said MANY times "don't trust the media, it's fake news" he is implying any criticism about him is fake.
Ummmm... when asked why CNN and nytimes were not in the room slicer said "were not going to let false narratives, false stories get out there."
You're seriously ok with that?
The media covered it pretty well. It was clear exactly what this was. It was also clear that Trump called for a "Muslim ban" during his campaign, and sought council from Giuliani on how to do a "Muslim ban" legally.
I don't agree.... the media has been clear on that issue. What you are missing though is that he has vilified illegal immigrants and his base doesn't know the difference between an illegal immigrant vs a legal minority giving the white nationalist movement a voice. His words, actions and tone all matter.
Democrap mass hysteria and republicant mass hypocrisy, the exact opposite of the last 8 years.
Is there a point when you think hysterics become valid?
You're ok with the President, not just some mouthpiece or the party, but the actual President saying "And I want you all to know we are fighting the fake news. It's fake. Phony. Fake. A few days ago I called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are. They are the enemy of the people. "
His rhetoric has also coincided with an increase in hate crimes against minorities... Most recently in Kansas with a guy shooting at 2 Indian men after asking them if they are here legally and shouting "get out of my country" Should we ignore that as well?
At what point do you think it is acceptable that people (and this is not just liberals and democrats) start thinking this is WAY different than typical overreactions about a politician?
You just questioned hysteria with a hysteria-infested post.
The media has been horseshit for a long time now, it's about time someone called them out. They're lying, agenda-driven, politcal hack machines. All of them.
So-called hate crimes have been happening for a long time.
The media has been horseshit for a long time now, it's about time someone called them out. They're lying, agenda-driven, politcal hack machines. All of them.
So-called hate crimes have been happening for a long time.
Exactly! Bush never even met a minority until he owned the Texas Rangers and Obama, both an immigrant and a minority, did NADA for his people. Trump has been doing great things for minorities for 40 years. He will fix our urban wastelands like Chicago by bringing in a Top-Notch squad of federal commandos to take back our streets and stop the killing and the violence that the corrupt Democratic political machine has been unable to do for 40 years. Trump alone can get it done!!!
But they are increasing. We have a President who in his campaign actively sought the support of hate groups. We saw their celebrations when he won (Heil Trump !!!) . Now they act as if they have a licence to do these acts with only minimal objection from the White House. The grave yard attack was only one thing, but how about the bomb threats four Jewish Centers here in NJ and many others across the country aimed at various minority groups. It is happening and with little to no opposition from the White House & his motley group of advisors. No, they don't want to offend their white nationalist supporters, do they.
TK
I think you missed SPKs point. These things you mention are - in his words - "so-called" hate crimes. SPK does not believe those are hate crimes.
The media has played it down the middle since Bush was elected? LOL! That is not true at all. The media has been slanted left and has moved even more in that direction over the years. Obama was treated with kid gloves, Bush was examined thoroughly. Now they have gone overboard with Trump because they don't like him. There was a Politico survey during the election that 85% of surveyed media are registered Democrats. It doesn't mean they are incapable of being unbiased but it significantly increases the odds of favorable coverage for one side over the other. That is a problem. The media is supposed the be the entity playing it down the middle and they haven't for many years now.
I don't know much about DeVos or Pruitt so I won't comment on them. But Jeff Sessions doesn't bother me, no. I don't agree with him on a decent amount of issues but he is fully qualified to serve as AG.
As HALL85 said, for someone who claims to be against hate speech, there was an awful lot of hate in that post. The tone and wide use of expletives don't match up with what you say you stand for.
I don't know much about DeVos or Pruitt so I won't comment on them. But Jeff Sessions doesn't bother me, no. I don't agree with him on a decent amount of issues but he is fully qualified to serve as AG.
As HALL85 said, for someone who claims to be against hate speech, there was an awful lot of hate in that post. The tone and wide use of expletives don't match up with what you say you stand for.
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