All of those things are terrible, but done by a very few extremists. The same type of extremists that have always existed, you know, like the Weather Underground. Have we ever had a president connected to them? Oh yeah, your guy. Hypocrisy and hysteria rearing its ugly head yet again.
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All of those things are terrible, but done by a very few extremists. The same type of extremists that have always existed, you know, like the Weather Underground. Have we ever had a president connected to them? Oh yeah, your guy. Hypocrisy and hysteria rearing its ugly head yet again.
Yeah and crime against minorities has increased. Question still stands.
Is any of that attributable to Trumps rhetoric?
Yes - I am very concerned about what will happen with Trump as president. I wasn't with Bush, I wouldn't have been with McCain or Romney or anyone else running against Trump really.
I'm going to be a voice of hysteria as often as possible when I see things worth getting hysterical about.
Yes the media is absolutely agenda driven, and their agenda right now is not to let us turn into Idiocracy... How exactly should they be reporting about this administration when Stephen Miller goes on national television and says Trumps power "will not be questioned"?
There are just too many examples of this administration being of the rails. The media is not going to ignore that.
You going to add some context as to why you feel minorities will be better off under Trump?
I didn't see many initiatives during Bush or Obama's admins that helped minorities. Remains to be seen if Trump has more success but he has specifically talked about jobs and addressing the cities.
Is there a difference between violence by a gay, black man against a straight, white man and violence by a straight, white male against a gay, black man?
No way to answer that except through the lens of partisan hackery, has he really incited that? Hasn't he denounced that? Does that include black on black crime, 'cause that's increasing, is that because of Trump too?
My impression is that you know SPK personally. Is he trolling you when he says there is no such thing as a hate crime?
There is a narrative that says Trump won the election in part by giving a voice to poor, under educated, rural, Republicans in the heartland. SPK is none of those things, yet President Trump speaks to him and for him.
Um, no, follow along, I don't like Trump, have said it many times here, didn't vote for him or the other major party excuse of a candidate.
If you had ever been following along, and EVERYONE here certainly knows it except you for some reason, you'd clearly know that I'm a libertarian and strong believer in the Constitution. Far too much government in this world, it shouldn't exist to cure ever perceived problem. Trump certainly is no answer to that!!!!
What I dislike even more though is the blatant hypocrisy which is rampant everywhere. I've been exposing that for years on this site. The media, politicians, posters, etc., it rears its ugly head all over the place, it's laways laughable, and is a major cause of our severe lack of leadership and respectability.
I would not attempt to speak for SPK. While we do know each other personally, we rarely agree on anything.
TK
Not a Trump voter/supporter either but... It's interesting to me that he has spoken more about trying to fix the inner cities and crime ridden places like Chicago more than I can ever remember from 44. Not saying 44 didn't speak of it but there seems to be a lot more focus on it than in a long time. So if he talks about it even if it pisses people off and now some other politicians are paying attention and also trying to fix the problems (hurry before Trump does and gets credit for it) isn't it working? Just thinking out loud...
I have been following along. I never said you liked Trump. My exact words were "Trump won the election in part by giving a voice to poor, under educated, rural, Republicans in the heartland. SPK is none of those things". What part of that sentence is wrong?
Now you follow along. What I did say is "President Trump speaks to (you) and for (you)." The fact you don't see it implies you either lack self awareness or you are a hypocrite.
Now you follow along. What I did say is "President Trump speaks to (you) and for (you)." The fact you don't see it implies you either lack self awareness or you are a hypocrite.
Funny, my reply to your first post in this thread trashes half of Trump's actions and praises the other half. How does that speak to me or for me? Are you just making up things as you go along?
To keep score (all quotes are your words)
1. "Should be replaced" - Seems like you agree
2. "Good idea"
3. "Good idea"
4. "Ban? No"
5. "Bad idea"
6. "Good idea"
7. "Sounds good"
8. You had no comment either way
9. "Like the pick"
That's six agree, two disagree and one neutral. I hadn't considered the possibility you lack self awareness AND you are a hypocrite. Also, you need work in math.
Wrong again.
1. We differ greatly, not "seems like we agree". Replace is much different than repeal.
3. There's no agree or disagree as that already exists, that's not a Trump idea.
7. We differ again, not like you actually read. There's not really a One China policy if the U.S. gives arms to Taiwan and is sworn to protect Taiwan now is there?
Care to tally up the real score?
1. We differ greatly, not "seems like we agree". Replace is much different than repeal.
3. There's no agree or disagree as that already exists, that's not a Trump idea.
7. We differ again, not like you actually read. There's not really a One China policy if the U.S. gives arms to Taiwan and is sworn to protect Taiwan now is there?
Care to tally up the real score?
Listen the big Oscar awards are coming up so I will be brief.
1. Trump has said multiple time he is planning to reveal his replacement health plan and it's going to be beautiful and better. It's coming soon(early March I believe). Perhaps he is working with you on a replacement. You two kids agree!!
3. "Good idea" Those are your words. That hardly qualifies as "trashing"
7. Ummm, if you bothered to understand - One China Policy is China's idea. Trump made noise about backing away from "One China" as leverage in future negotiations and China said they wouldn't come to the phone until Trump reaffirmed One China Policy. Trump didn't get China to agree to it at all and still you said "Sounds good"! I was being sarcastic but you missed it, twice as it turns out.
To recap
1. It's ok for you to embrace your inner Trump.
2. Lots of people lack self awareness and are hypocritical. The key is to learn from it.
1. Trump has said multiple time he is planning to reveal his replacement health plan and it's going to be beautiful and better. It's coming soon(early March I believe). Perhaps he is working with you on a replacement. You two kids agree!!
3. "Good idea" Those are your words. That hardly qualifies as "trashing"
7. Ummm, if you bothered to understand - One China Policy is China's idea. Trump made noise about backing away from "One China" as leverage in future negotiations and China said they wouldn't come to the phone until Trump reaffirmed One China Policy. Trump didn't get China to agree to it at all and still you said "Sounds good"! I was being sarcastic but you missed it, twice as it turns out.
To recap
1. It's ok for you to embrace your inner Trump.
2. Lots of people lack self awareness and are hypocritical. The key is to learn from it.
Many people have been concerned (myself included) that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and would lead to violence against minorities ever since he started running... and that nationalism has historically proven to have the potential to be very dangerous.
We have seen spikes in crime against minorities, even some mentioning Trump or reflecting his views... Do you believe that if Trump never ran for President and Bush, Rubior or Kasich had gone through to win that we would have the same level of crime?
Yes, I do believe that Trump incited some of it.
Yeah, end of the day the result is all that matter.
To date, I haven't really seen much to be optimistic about though.
Disagree, because without real stats our views are shaped how we want to feel and how we also media narrative of the day supports it.
I'm sure the REPORTING of hate crimes has increased, but I'm not convinced that there is an actual uptick in the number of incidents. Maybe there has been, but I'm not ready to lay that at the feet of the President, just yet. I can recall many sad episodes of local Jewish cemeteries having their headstones vandalized. It's sad, terrible, and should never happen, but it's not unheard of.
I didn't vote for Trump, and never would, but there I have been guilty of indulging in some schadenfraude, with Hollywood and the talking heads so upset (and, of course, worthless nimrods like BS on our own board).
Sessions is a fine candidate for AG, and he lost out on a position years ago because of nonsensical allegations. Arlen Spector called him "egalitarian." People have good reason to beef over the DOE and EPA appointments.
The Dems have no one to blame for this Trump mess but themselves. They put up a horrible candidate, first of all, and all the years of demonizing the McCain's and Romney's (one publication said he would have minorities "enslaved" and in handcuffs when he ran against Obama) as the next Satan have resulted in people going deaf to the hysteria and electing the genuine article.
This ain't my father's Democratic party - they need to re-introduce themselves to the American worker, stop pandering to the inner cities without ever governing as if they care about them, and cut ties with Cecile Richards and the far-left progressives. If you're going to be the party of FDR, you don't purport to care for the common man, and then talk down to him out the other side of your mouth ("guns and Bibles," "three 'R's," etc.)., all while taking his money to finance urban sprawl. But they won't, knowing full well that the pendulum is due, sometime in the not-too-distant future, for another swing.
Absolutely agree, and again, This is something I am worried about. Could I be wrong? Of course.
Does an Indian man bring murdered last week by someone shouting "get out of my country" have nothing to do with Trump? Maybe.
Would the harassment/violence by people telling their victims "you're in trump country now" still have happened if Trump never gain a voice? Possibly... but... What is there some type of event that would make you agree with me that Trump has emboldened and given a voice to racist xenophobes?
Definitely some soul searching to be done on the left, not really sure I agree with your assessment since Bernie would have done better with the working class voters and would have had a very good chance of winning the election. Biden also probably would have won I think the DNC ignored a populist movement and ignored them to "appoint" Hillary instead. Hopefully they learn from that mistake.
Going to the middle is not the answer, as you said Merge. Going left with a guy like Bernie and energizing your base, AS WELL AS speaking to more middle of the road blue-collarish people in the midwest can be done. It's not a zero sum game. And by talking, I mean passing or talking about passing specific initiatives that speak to the economic issues in those states. The blue representatives in those states are to blame for this too.
Another thing the party needs is to show strength in a general sense. Time to speak tough to these right wingers. They have no problem getting in the mud against us, its time we get in the mud with them if we want to win. It sucks, but this is what the gov't has come to. Staying above the fray ain't getting it done.
Another thing the party needs is to show strength in a general sense. Time to speak tough to these right wingers. They have no problem getting in the mud against us, its time we get in the mud with them if we want to win. It sucks, but this is what the gov't has come to. Staying above the fray ain't getting it done.
Of course I would agree with you. I still might, short of that. It's just too early to tell, and the media is going to be extremely sensitive to ANY bias crimes, since they fit the narrative. If they're up significantly year over year next February, then I'm in complete agreement.
It's certainly up for debate. Would Bernie have beaten Trump? I think yes. Kasich? Maybe not. He's (Sanders) a socialist (yes, yes, a democratic one), and an atheist. The latter doesn't play well, which is why he was forced to come up with some awkward explanation of his idea of God. There is active litigation, right now, involving atheists trying to remove "In God We Trust" from the currency. How does half the country (or more) feel about that?
What many intelligent Democrats are saying is that the condescension and elitism is what did them in with the working class and/or rural areas. The country is fairly split down the middle on abortion -- you and I included. Was it smart to double down on PP to the point of having Richards on the stage at the DNC, and threatening to revoke the Hyde Amendment? Clearly, that hurt more than it helped, and I wonder if Bernie would have gone down that road.
Clinton.
Not voting at all was not an option. While I understand your Libertarian views on third parties (as well as Bobbie Solo's, who writes passionately about it from time to time), I personally do not believe in the third parties as currently constituted and never seriously considered them.
That left the two unsavory candidates. While Clinton has a myriad of well documented issues, I chose to vote for her because I had two problems with Trump that I could not overcome
1. Trump views every interaction as a binary win/lose proposition. I prefer a President who is good at poker and is willing to throw in losing hands, so-so hands and even the occasional good hand, because it serves the long game. I do not believe Trump is willing to "play poker"
2. My view is that the world is a complicated place and we are inextricably linked to the world. The concept that we can "go it alone" or that we can produce some American leverage to have our adversaries do what we want is short sighted. We cannot make America great again by ourselves. I believe that Trump may eventually come to understand this point of view, but not before making a ton of mistakes, some of which may be difficult to undo.
Fair, but I remained concerned and don't want to ignore any warning signs.
Yeah that is politically damaging. A shame, but correct. I do think he would have beaten Trump but probably not Kasich... btw, how any religious person could vote for Trump is beyond me. He has proven over and over again to be a despicable human being.
It really bothered me that the democrats added repealing the hyde amendment to their party platform... That said, I don't think that issue really impacted the election at all but I am glad they lost when it was on their platform. Hopefully it is removed by 2020.
I already answered as you previously pointed out. What so hard about answering?
Yes you did answer previously. How could I forget - you are a Trump acolyte masquerading as a libertarian. If you've been following along you should be able to guess my answer. I would never grade the President after 35 days. I play poker, not coin flips so I am looking at the bigger picture. I wouldn't even venture to define a "good" thing or a "bad" thing at this early stage. After 35 days, I would say he is performing as expected.
Sounds like a complete Clinton shill. You've done nothing but judge Trump so far in this very thread.
I was basking in the glory of our SHU win and taped the President's speech and caught up when I got home. I was surprised but pleasantly surprised at the speech, the tone, the reaching out to both parties and to multiple groups of Americans. Have to give Trump credit he did very well last night.
I was pissed when that bitch Wasserman-Shulz wouldn't even stand for the Navy Seals wife. But other than that I thought it was a terrific speech. I wish his inauguration speech was more like last night. Now let's see what gets done.
I was pissed when that bitch Wasserman-Shulz wouldn't even stand for the Navy Seals wife. But other than that I thought it was a terrific speech. I wish his inauguration speech was more like last night. Now let's see what gets done.
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Did Democrats Refuse to Stand for a Navy SEAL's Widow?
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Did Democrats Refuse to Stand for a Navy SEAL's Widow?
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