So, in yet another ironic twist, this thread will continue in the cyber-manifestation of hell.
Tuesday should be a fun day on campus
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I respect your reply as well. The gray area, and the area of legitimate debate, is over the imposition (rather than the legitimacy of seeking) adherence. To clarify, I mean that the first step is to admit that there is a conflict and then there can be a legitimate debate what to do about it. Most replies here are either in denial or are ridiculing the concept of blasphemy.
Re "Pirates" I complete agree. Ironically, the actual history of piracy actually goes back to the rivalry between Protestant England and Catholic Spain, back when the Spanish rules the seas and the English were mere upstarts. Figures like Sir Walter Raleigh and others were actually "real"pirates and profited from piracy by looting Spanish ships bring gold back from the New World and slaves to the New World. English and Dutch pirates did the same to the Portuguese in Asia over the spice trade. Elizabeth I, Cromwell and later William and Mary were all staunch supporters of piracy. Perhaps we should also be calling for South Orange to be renamed! (Named after William of Orange.)
But there are only so many crosses to pick up during Holy Week so I picked up WSOU...and frankly while "Pirates" is only silly and ill advised, it is obviously incomparable to the sin of blasphemy.
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I’m curious if team nicknames have the same impact on lives that music has. I don’t think anyone is seeing the name pirates and inspired to have to hatred in their life or even celebrate hate by living life like a pirate. I’m not sure the same can be said for music. I’ve never heard of a story justifying an action where a psychiatrist said what sports teams does he or she like? There does seem to be interest in music even Pearl Jam’s Jeremy has been written about in papers after school shootings. Music seems to have a greater influence on our lives than than team nicknames like pirates or devils. I’d love to meet and talk with someone who doesn’t like Christianity because of the influence of a sports nickname.
Almost every major world religion has exorcists. You guys have no intellectual curiosity, only ridicule.
The mascots of sports teams are metaphors. Everyone knows that. But songs that celebrate necrophilia, played regularly on WSOU, are not metaphors.
Upholding Catholic moral principles at a Catholic institution of higher learning and within its broadcast operations does not involve imposing our beliefs on others. It's about integrity.
Upholding Catholic moral principles at a Catholic institution of higher learning and within its broadcast operations does not involve imposing our beliefs on others. It's about integrity.
do any of the songs celebrate pedophilia? gotta tell the vatican to stop listening.
A football coach in Massachusetts got fired this past week for using an audible called Auschwitz. Anti-Semitic and you’re fired. Society wont allow that. Anti Catholic and we should all ignore it as a society says we should. Hypocritical world.
But why a petition to close the station completely? The Institute is picking select songs and saying they are in opposition to Catholic teaching.
The station has controls in place on programming. If songs are slipping through, then why not argue for tighter controls, rather than closing a station that’s benefitted thousands of students?
Cancel culture is bad. Looking to cancel the station is wrong. Like the football coach who let Auschwitz become part of his playbook, all students and program directors should receive the same zero tolerance for any satanic music slipping through the cracks. The adults who run that station for a living should be on unemployment should that happen.
They are not asking for the station to be shut down, just that the satanic music be stopped. The NY Post got that wrong because they did not do responsible journalism.
With death metal controls are impossible. It's a genre that is so deeply and thoroughly evil that controls are a joke. It's like trying to put controls on racist songs. The only appropriate control is to stop it completely.
I don't know much about the groups (there seem to be two working together, TFP and Lepanto Institute) but I can't imagine that they would oppose an overhaul in format.
The main thing is that a Catholic diocesan run university simply can not be pumping out such egregiously Satanic music. Full stop.
Whether that is achieved by a shut down or an overhaul is quite secondary to that single objective.
The petition specifically addresses that. It says,
Previous attempts to mitigate the satanic programming of WSOU took place in 1988 and 2001, but were completely ineffective and short-lived, which is why it is so important to call for an immediate end to the radio station altogether. (emphasis mine)
In November (after the petition was launched and the video was made), the station acknowledged that its Advisory Committee's review of content was overdue. The Committee - including the priest community - is already modifying the content and reviewing procedures and to ensure the station is aligned with the school mission.
But that's not enough for the Institute, since they are protesting on campus today to call for the station to be shut down.
Music Selection Guidelines Review Findings
www.wsou.net
The petition - in two different places - calls for the immediate and permanent shutdown of WSOU.
This is from the last paragraph,
“We’re now building an army of faithful citizens from America and around the world, engaged in an ongoing way, to shut down WSOU permanently.”
It’s hard to blame with NYP journalist when the petition’s headline, its body, and its last paragraph all say “shut down”.
Just my opinion, Satanic to a Christian, Anti semitism to a Jew, and the N word to a black person are all on the same level. I don't care if it's done through the lens of art, it's wrong. No one is letting Anti Semitism go in music. It'll be stopped. No white person is getting away with saying the N word in music. Satanic culture, just let it go. Why we see only 2 of the 3 as unacceptable is something I don't understand.
Stopping the radio station is wrong. Playing the music they play is also wrong. If someone said or played something anti semetic they would be off the radio in heart beat, but the station would go on. Same would happen if a sports commentor on the station said something racist against any group. The people would be gone but the station would remain. This might come as a shock to people but there is music between what is played and choir hymns that can be played.
Glad we agree that shutting down the radio station is wrong. I hope protesters stop asking for it.
And I agree with you that some of the music shown in the video shouldn’t be played by the station. But the station went through a review in November and has/is updating the content and putting in tighter controls. Would you consider the music that was broadcast today to be satanic? If not, isn’t the overall issue resolved?
I'm against cancel culture to the highest degree. I'm not even for canceling that music, I'm just against it being played on WSOU, from the home of a Catholic organization. If someone wants to pay for a radio station and play it, go for it, just not at a Catholic institution.
At some points the concerns of the Catholic/Christian communities need to be taken as seriously as Jewish and other minority groups. Tighter controls are not the answer. Imagine telling Jews don't worry we're putting tighter controls on Anti semitism. Imagine telling black people don't worry we're putting tighter controls on racist language. I'm sorry the director needs to be fired if this stuff slips through the cracks. The students need to be thrown off the air. The young people who do the basketball games do a great job, but their asses would be thrown off the air, and rightfully so, if they put out racist remarks or an antisemitic remarks. We're going to be putting tigher controls on them would not be a sufficient answer. Dare I say it, the radio station could give young people the same opportunities if they play reggae, country, or house music.
Not sure how much you want to go by the problem is solved nothing negative today. Can you convince the black community no cop shot anyone in the past couple days, the problem is solved? Can you convince Asians, Jews, Muslims that hate crimes are fixed there hasn't been anything wild in the last few days?
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I went to the university today and also learned more about this specific gathering of protesters.
Because I wrote publicly in support of them yesterday, I am bound by honor to share what I learned.
Firstly, I state that I wish to have nothing to do with this group at all. While the issue of the WSOU's format is ABSOLUTELY legitimate, the group itself is in no position to represent faithful Catholics. There were certainly some genuine people in the group, but as a whole...I will reserve my comment.
1) No legitimately faithful Catholic layperson has any right to calumniate a specific bishop by name. This is a sin against piety and adding sin upon sin only makes the situation worse. Even when those in authority are not deserving of our admiration, they still deserve our respect. I can not condone such blatant disrespect of Archbishop Tobin. I found it utterly repulsive and not so much better than the music they were there to protest.
2) I thought they were there to offer prayers of reparation. They were there to create a scene. My group and I did not join them. Instead we spent that time in front of the exposed Blessed Sacrament in the Immaculate Conception Chapel making reparation for the sins of Seton Hall and the Archdiocese of Newark. We will plan to do this, quietly and peacefully, every so often. Nothing else is appropriate for those of us upset by the WSOU blasphemies, save for some appropriately worded and respectful correspondence to those in authority.
3) The Catholic Church is not a democracy or subject to the tyranny of popular agitators. It runs on authority and prayer. This group's tactics are all wrong. I don't know them personally but frankly there were at least some in this group who were highly questionable in terms of the authenticity of their intentions. God sends the world and the Church the shepherds it deserves; we in the flock have to clean up our own souls first.
I will leave it at that. I don't expect anyone to agree with my views. I'm sure many will find it "laughable" but at least I have discharged any possibility of public scandal from my support of this group yesterday.
Because I wrote publicly in support of them yesterday, I am bound by honor to share what I learned.
Firstly, I state that I wish to have nothing to do with this group at all. While the issue of the WSOU's format is ABSOLUTELY legitimate, the group itself is in no position to represent faithful Catholics. There were certainly some genuine people in the group, but as a whole...I will reserve my comment.
1) No legitimately faithful Catholic layperson has any right to calumniate a specific bishop by name. This is a sin against piety and adding sin upon sin only makes the situation worse. Even when those in authority are not deserving of our admiration, they still deserve our respect. I can not condone such blatant disrespect of Archbishop Tobin. I found it utterly repulsive and not so much better than the music they were there to protest.
2) I thought they were there to offer prayers of reparation. They were there to create a scene. My group and I did not join them. Instead we spent that time in front of the exposed Blessed Sacrament in the Immaculate Conception Chapel making reparation for the sins of Seton Hall and the Archdiocese of Newark. We will plan to do this, quietly and peacefully, every so often. Nothing else is appropriate for those of us upset by the WSOU blasphemies, save for some appropriately worded and respectful correspondence to those in authority.
3) The Catholic Church is not a democracy or subject to the tyranny of popular agitators. It runs on authority and prayer. This group's tactics are all wrong. I don't know them personally but frankly there were at least some in this group who were highly questionable in terms of the authenticity of their intentions. God sends the world and the Church the shepherds it deserves; we in the flock have to clean up our own souls first.
I will leave it at that. I don't expect anyone to agree with my views. I'm sure many will find it "laughable" but at least I have discharged any possibility of public scandal from my support of this group yesterday.
Absolutely agree 100%. There is a right way to do it, though. These guys aren't doing it that way. You simply can't expect to change blasphemy by piling on with your own irreverence and impiety. Christ, who really is firmly in control of His own Church, isn't going to be moved in that manner.
Thanks for sharing your experience. It seems pretty clear that there’s a difference between the posters on this board (who are affiliated with the school) that want WSOU to change its content and the outside organizations that want to shut down the station and make a spectacle about it.
Perhaps you may have missed it, but what I was "honestly expecting" is detailed undr point 2.
i was being facetious. not a great look you didnt see this coming a mile away. it was really obvious.
one question, why were they allowed on campus with covid?
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Well if you saw all of what I wrote "coming from a mile away," perhaps I stil have some ways to travel before I can approach your levels of piety and reverence.
Aside from the basketball team in good years, WSOU is the most public and far-reaching face of SHU (particularly with the advent of streaming). And it's 24/7/365, so I appreciate the sentiment of the protestors, and agree with Catholicman and SHUMA04, as well. I can't stand the music played on WSOU -- and never could -- even as a student (I did and still prefer Joe Brennan Vogel). However, how much of it is *actually* Satanic? I suspect very little or none. That said, I have no idea what those bands are screaming about. I do know that Billy Joel's song, particularly for it's time, was extremely denigrating to Catholicism, as he has been in interviews over the years. I still change the station when I hear the first guitar chord of that song (and he basically sucks, anyway).
Cacophonic? Yes. Obnoxious and undecipherable? Much of it. But if that's all it is, then so be it. I think the comments on this board are far more anti-Catholic - so spare me the comparisons to the sex-abuse scandal every time the Catholic Church takes issue with a social ill. If the Church were to disappear tomorrow, the already staggering amount of poverty, homelessness, and hunger would be beyond fathoming.
Cacophonic? Yes. Obnoxious and undecipherable? Much of it. But if that's all it is, then so be it. I think the comments on this board are far more anti-Catholic - so spare me the comparisons to the sex-abuse scandal every time the Catholic Church takes issue with a social ill. If the Church were to disappear tomorrow, the already staggering amount of poverty, homelessness, and hunger would be beyond fathoming.
Interestingly, two of the most mocking posts in this thread have come from people -- correct me if I'm wrong -- who have identified themselves as Jewish.
