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I think it's Trump 1) talking out of his *** and 2) Trump making an incorrect political calculation. As I've said before, with Trump you have to look at his actions and not necessarily his words. Banning Chinese travel and eventually European travel aren't actions taken by someone looking to play down a threat. Nor is holding daily briefings, praising governors (including many who he disagrees with politically) or invoking the defense production act. Those aren't actions taken by someone looking to play it down.

I do think Trump miscalculated. I believe he thought it would be a short term issue, perhaps a few weeks to a month and he could use it as a rallying cry in the run up to his election campaign. The Democrats clearly outplayed him in the political chess game. I think Trump underestimated their determination to impose draconian restrictions and willingness to let the economy bleed. Democrats saw shutting down the economy as a way to cut into Trump's #1 strength and they won that battle.
 
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SHU09 how do you feel about mega companies that gave their highest earning execs and P and L bean counters reduced salaries that are still healthy to live on while cutting or furlouging commoners who really need a job?

I know of places that furloughed 75 percent FTE and anyone that was deemed essential making over 100k dropped to nothing more than 100k.

Or companies that could afford payroll to all at reduced rates but said F it, lets permantly cut some plebians now so the very top has some profit sharing margins to split in quarter 4.

You display pro private sector, capitalist views but when the common folk needed their companies the most the companies said why use payroll when state govs can give up to 60 percent to a max rate and feds will kick in another 600 a week.
 
That’s just not how it works. Those lower level positions are the ones doing work related to some level of activity (transactions, manufacturing, production, etc). Companies that need to restructure due to business changes normally are going to lay off middle/upper management and increase span of control.
 
shu09 said:
I think it's Trump 1) talking out of his *** and 2) Trump making an incorrect political calculation. As I've said before, with Trump you have to look at his actions and not necessarily his words. Banning Chinese travel and eventually European travel aren't actions taken by someone looking to play down a threat. Nor is holding daily briefings, praising governors (including many who he disagrees with politically) or invoking the defense production act. Those aren't actions taken by someone looking to play it down.

I do think Trump miscalculated. I believe he thought it would be a short term issue, perhaps a few weeks to a month and he could use it as a rallying cry in the run up to his election campaign. The Democrats clearly outplayed him in the political chess game. I think Trump underestimated their determination to impose draconian restrictions and willingness to let the economy bleed. Democrats saw shutting down the economy as a way to cut into Trump's #1 strength and they won that battle.
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You can’t have the President lie to the American Public on a matter of life and death. It is a compete abdication of his responsibilities as President. It is irresponsibility at the highest level. I know nothing will persuade the Trump sycophants but will this move the needle on those soft Trump supporters and independents?
 
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....but will this move the needle on those soft Trump supporters and independents?
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I doubt it. There is a line of people releasing books now to capitalize on the election and profit off of Trump. Red meat for the MSM, but white noise to most everyone else.
 
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I think there are individuals who by nature are positive thinkers, I’ve been called an eternal optimist by my friends. I personally try to find positive in every situation but fortunately also can be a realist. Trump is a true eternal optimist everything is great or will be great, this only goes so far with most of the general public. That’s why even the people who will vote for him don’t necessarily like him. I Would like to asked the following question. In March would most individuals wanted to hear this pandemic will last a year? Did he not tell people the scientists believe we might have close to one million deaths? He openly tried to warn people without creating a panic, even if he panicked would the major of NYC listened? Did any one listen on the other side of the aisle? When all you do is find fault with things, it’s easy to ignore all the wrong decisions made by the same people finding faults throughout the process. There needs to be a balance of risk.
 
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Pirata said:
Fauci's take:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/9/anthony-fauci-rejects-bob-woodward-book-claim-dona/
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If you hate someone, easy to find fault and overlook facts or in some cases distort the facts. Example Biden found fault with every decision Trump made in February and March. When he realized he might be on the wrong side of the event he changed his comments in April. Suddenly all of his opinions in February and March don't exist to folks whose personalities thrive on finding faults. Guys this is the nature of politics, does anyone really think there are good guys or bad guys? Trump is an outsider to all this nonsense and large numbers of people who vote are recognizing its the people VS. the political do nothing class. Its ugly to watch (I will give you that) but he's exposing the hypocrisy that exists in our government. Example need to help/change education in inner cities but don't want to hurt the Teachers union. Every necessary change in the world requires sacrifice from somewhere else. Follow the money to see why nothing changes in Washington.
 
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Fauci's take:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/9/anthony-fauci-rejects-bob-woodward-book-claim-dona/
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Crickets now lol

anti trumpers are out of control

my friend who is a Trump guy asked me why when Obama was president the majority of Republicans pretty much accepted it but attacked his substance; but with trump, people that didn’t vote for him like me can’t accept his presidency and literally fight every single thing he does to the point where the attackers constantly contradict themselves

It’s like BLM harassing the only senator trying to get rid of no knock warrants

I can’t defend my Democratic Party or the limousine liberals anymore. And don’t say but Fox News....that’s one station out of 30.
 
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cernjSHU said:
You can’t have the President lie to the American Public on a matter of life and death. It is a compete abdication of his responsibilities as President. It is irresponsibility at the highest level. I know nothing will persuade the Trump sycophants but will this move the needle on those soft Trump supporters and independents?
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I don't believe he ever lied about this issue. That is a strong word.
 
HALL85 said:
I doubt it. There is a line of people releasing books now to capitalize on the election and profit off of Trump. Red meat for the MSM, but white noise to most everyone else.
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The level of coordination in all these books and hit pieces is something I've never seen before. The entire establishment is against him and coming together to try to get him out of office. Really shameful behavior. But the American establishment doesn't like a disruptor, and that's what he is. He won't play ball with them.

You can bet there will be more to come as it's only mid September. A lot of time for more "surprises" to come out.
 
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shu09 said:
The level of coordination in all these books and hit pieces is something I've never seen before. The entire establishment is against him and coming together to try to get him out of office. Really shameful behavior. But the American establishment doesn't like a disruptor, and that's what he is. He won't play ball with them.

You can bet there will be more to come as it's only mid September. A lot of time for more "surprises" to come out.
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Going to be ugly which is sad. I’m a registered Democrat who doesn’t like to hate. I’m clearly an independent now. I view Trump as an independent which most will think is crazy.
 
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SHallguy2 said:
Going to be ugly which is sad. I’m a registered Democrat who doesn’t like to hate. I’m clearly an independent now. I view Trump as an independent which most will think is crazy.
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You're right, Trump is neither a Republican or Democrat. He is his own brand and had to run as a Republican to win.

I used to be a registered Democrat, but the party's embrace of intolerance and identity politics moved it far to the left and I changed my registration to unaffiliated.
 
Sarah Huckabee just released a book on her view of the inside White House.

Watching the news last night they were playing clips of her when she appeared on The View. They did everything they could to silence her during the broadcast.
 
SHallguy2 said:
If you hate someone, easy to find fault and overlook facts or in some cases distort the facts. Example Biden found fault with every decision Trump made in February and March. When he realized he might be on the wrong side of the event he changed his comments in April. Suddenly all of his opinions in February and March don't exist to folks whose personalities thrive on finding faults. Guys this is the nature of politics, does anyone really think there are good guys or bad guys? Trump is an outsider to all this nonsense and large numbers of people who vote are recognizing its the people VS. the political do nothing class. Its ugly to watch (I will give you that) but he's exposing the hypocrisy that exists in our government. Example need to help/change education in inner cities but don't want to hurt the Teachers union. Every necessary change in the world requires sacrifice from somewhere else. Follow the money to see why nothing changes in Washington.
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Yes Biden stumping that is Trump acted sooner many lives would of been saved. Meanwhile Biden called Trump xenophobic when he stopped travel from China. Which is it Joe?!?!
 
I think Karl Rove said every President spoke to Woodward and regretted it. Trump likes the attention and knows Woodward is an award winning reporter. Trump has not managed the pandemic very well at all and this is another example and miscalculation on his part. The timing of the pandemic could not have been worse for Trump in that he finally got over the impeachment stuff and all he wanted to do was run for President. He could not get his mind around managing this catastrophe and is single minded in wanting to get reelected and he himself has now become a part of the swamp that he has railed against. Gotta be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. He did well to slow travel and faced a lot of criticism from Dems early on (both sides are massive hypocrites). He has invested heavily in vaccine development which is a great thing. But you have to give him a D- in managing the pandemic and that would have been my grade before Woodward's revelations. The messaging has been bad from the start. The lack of simple things like promoting mask wearing and politicizing everything has been awful by Trump and his administration. The virus is a difficult thing to manage but they have simply done a bad job IMO on many fronts.

Woodward should have released these statements months ago if he really cared about the country, but he is trying to sell books and time his release right before the election (just more hypocrisy from a once great investigative reporter). They all suck!
 
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Trump is getting Swift Boated.

His comments to Woodward sound bad but would you rather have him stoke massive fear in everyone? All could have done a better job in handling the Chinese Virus.

And is there an ethical dliemma with Woodward sitting on what he now deems such a big issue until he can get it in print and say "Gotcha!!" ?
 
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SPK145 said:
Trump is getting Swift Boated.

His comments to Woodward sound bad but would you rather have him stoke massive fear in everyone? All could have done a better job in handling the Chinese Virus.

And is there an ethical dliemma with Woodward sitting on what he now deems such a big issue until he can get it in print and say "Gotcha!!" ?
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The governors, media and "experts" were the ones who irresponsibly stoked fear in everyone, sadly.
 
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SoOrange84 said:
How people continue to defend him and make excuses for his ineptitude and constant deflection of blame continue to amaze me.
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Defend or just being objective? I read a lot of criticisms of Trump in this thread.
 
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I guess you must be easily amazed.
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Why do you support him? Is it the constant lying or is the inability to take responsibility for anything or maybe the gaslighting of any journalist not affiliated with OAN.

I am no fan of Joe Biden by any stretch of the imagination but at least he is a decent human being.
 
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HALL85 said:
Defend or just being objective? I read a lot of criticisms of Trump in this thread.
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I am as pragmatic an individual as you will find as I will freely admit he has done some very good things in the past 3 plus years but, it has gotten to the point that he needs to go.
 
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I am as pragmatic an individual as you will find as I will freely admit he has done some very good things in the past 3 plus years but, it has gotten to the point that he needs to go.
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What does that have to do with this thread?
 
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I am as pragmatic an individual as you will find as I will freely admit he has done some very good things in the past 3 plus years but, it has gotten to the point that he needs to go.
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He has to go because you don’t like him or you prefer the competing agenda? I rarely see anyone give a substantive reason to get rid of Trump or a substantive reason that the competing agenda is better. All I hear is he’s bad, he lies (which he doesn’t if you actually listen to his precise words and not a headline or sound bite). ZERO substance. PS, with corona Trump proposed travel ban in February and was called terrible things - now he didn’t do enough. I’m totally ashamed to be a Democrat right now.
 
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He has to go because he is ruining the country both at home and our standing in the world.

The fact that I do not like him has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
 
SoOrange84 said:
He has to go because he is ruining the country both at home and our standing in the world.

The fact that I do not like him has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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How?
Getting better trade terms with Canada and Mexico?
Keeping peace in ME?
Calling out China for killing everyone with unfair trade and ripping off IP?
Calling out NATO?
Bringing home troops?
I’m telling you I’m so tired that not a single Democrat can point to any single substantive issue with him. I wish they could and we could put up reasonable candidates but the Pelosis, Schiffs, Schumers, AOC, Harris..... they can’t get it done
 
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I find it interesting the Trump support here. I guess this board is full of Trump apologists. Trump has corrupted everything that the Presidency is supposed to be. Are any of you outraged that the taxpayers money will be spent on defending Trump on a defamation case that has nothing to do with his capacity as President? The Department of Justice is actually going to defend Trump on a statement he made while he was not Presdent and had nothing to do with anything concerning the office of the President.

It seems that many of you do mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible.

I love how some people say there is not one substantive issue against him so quote Hallsome. You have to be kidding me. How about abandoning our allies the Kurds so that they can be killed by the Turks? You know the issue that General Mattis resigned over? I know this does not get a lot of coverage but this was absolutely pathetic.

Really he kept peace in the Middle East? Calling out NATO our allies is a good thing while embracing Kim Jun Un and weakening ourselves? The US got nothing out of it and raised North Korea's profile in the world. How about denigrating our intelligence agencies and believing Putin over our own? Because he believes Putin didn't interfere in the 2016 elections. He used Ukraine in an attempt to dig up dirt on Biden where he was impeached, invited the Taliban to Camp David on 9/11.
 
Triggered much, cern? Trump was elected to disrupt Washington and end the endless wars, among other things. He has done that for the most part.

You really believe he doesn't believe Putin interfered? LOL!
 
cernjSHU said:
I find it interesting the Trump support here. I guess this board is full of Trump apologists. Trump has corrupted everything that the Presidency is supposed to be. Are any of you outraged that the taxpayers money will be spent on defending Trump on a defamation case that has nothing to do with his capacity as President? The Department of Justice is actually going to defend Trump on a statement he made while he was not Presdent and had nothing to do with anything concerning the office of the President.

It seems that many of you do mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible.

I love how some people say there is not one substantive issue against him so quote Hallsome. You have to be kidding me. How about abandoning our allies the Kurds so that they can be killed by the Turks? You know the issue that General Mattis resigned over? I know this does not get a lot of coverage but this was absolutely pathetic.

Really he kept peace in the Middle East? Calling out NATO our allies is a good thing while embracing Kim Jun Un and weakening ourselves? The US got nothing out of it and raised North Korea's profile in the world. How about denigrating our intelligence agencies and believing Putin over our own? Because he believes Putin didn't interfere in the 2016 elections. He used Ukraine in an attempt to dig up dirt on Biden where he was impeached, invited the Taliban to Camp David on 9/11.
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I don't think my post supported him at all??
 
cernjSHU said:
How about abandoning our allies the Kurds so that they can be killed by the Turks? You know the issue that General Mattis resigned over? I know this does not get a lot of coverage but this was absolutely pathetic.

Calling out NATO our allies is a good thing while embracing Kim Jun Un and weakening ourselves?
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I'm a bit confused.

On one hand you complain about our NATO ally Turkey and then on the other hand you complain about calling out our NATO allies??

Methinks your hands are suffering a bad case of TDS.
 
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cernjSHU said:
I find it interesting the Trump support here. I guess this board is full of Trump apologists. Trump has corrupted everything that the Presidency is supposed to be. Are any of you outraged that the taxpayers money will be spent on defending Trump on a defamation case that has nothing to do with his capacity as President? The Department of Justice is actually going to defend Trump on a statement he made while he was not Presdent and had nothing to do with anything concerning the office of the President.

It seems that many of you do mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible.

I love how some people say there is not one substantive issue against him so quote Hallsome. You have to be kidding me. How about abandoning our allies the Kurds so that they can be killed by the Turks? You know the issue that General Mattis resigned over? I know this does not get a lot of coverage but this was absolutely pathetic.

Really he kept peace in the Middle East? Calling out NATO our allies is a good thing while embracing Kim Jun Un and weakening ourselves? The US got nothing out of it and raised North Korea's profile in the world. How about denigrating our intelligence agencies and believing Putin over our own? Because he believes Putin didn't interfere in the 2016 elections. He used Ukraine in an attempt to dig up dirt on Biden where he was impeached, invited the Taliban to Camp David on 9/11.
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i am initially outraged about it (DOJ defense of Trump) but frankly I need to know more about it. Kinda like how I know more about the sham Russia and Ukraine stuff. And kinda like how I want to know more about Biden/Obama spying on Trump.

He has put significant pressure on Iran. Did Obama?

Peace deal for which he’s been nominated for NBP is not newsworthy for CNN (which is what I read and didn’t see a single headline about it)

North Korea? When Obama was in office it felt like every other week they were testing us with military exercises and public comments. Far fewer under Trump.

Back to Ukraine: you do realize that there’s an ongoing investigation as to where the Biden promised aid was going to go, right? I run a business. If money is going to potentially nefarious things I’m going to investigate (PS, Biden wasn’t even a def candidate then!). In any event trump ended up giving more aid to Ukraine vs Russia than Obama did

re Turks and Kurds. The conflict has been going on for like 30 years and the relatively recent violence actually started in 2015. I know Obama wouldn’t do anything except maybe apologize for being America but I’ll admit I’m surprised Trump hasn’t done more
 
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Hallsome said:
i am initially outraged about it (DOJ defense of Trump) but frankly I need to know more about it. Kinda like how I know more about the sham Russia and Ukraine stuff. And kinda like how I want to know more about Biden/Obama spying on Trump.

He has put significant pressure on Iran. Did Obama?

Peace deal for which he’s been nominated for NBP is not newsworthy for CNN (which is what I read and didn’t see a single headline about it)

North Korea? When Obama was in office it felt like every other week they were testing us with military exercises and public comments. Far fewer under Trump.

Back to Ukraine: you do realize that there’s an ongoing investigation as to where the Biden promised aid was going to go, right? I run a business. If money is going to potentially nefarious things I’m going to investigate (PS, Biden wasn’t even a def candidate then!). In any event trump ended up giving more aid to Ukraine vs Russia than Obama did

re Turks and Kurds. The conflict has been going on for like 30 years and the relatively recent violence actually started in 2015. I know Obama wouldn’t do anything except maybe apologize for being America but I’ll admit I’m surprised Trump hasn’t done more
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Forgive my complete inability to use technology effectively lol
I couldn’t underline something intentionally if you paid me to do it
 
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shu09 said:
The level of coordination in all these books and hit pieces is something I've never seen before. The entire establishment is against him and coming together to try to get him out of office. Really shameful behavior. But the American establishment doesn't like a disruptor, and that's what he is. He won't play ball with them.

You can bet there will be more to come as it's only mid September. A lot of time for more "surprises" to come out.
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the establishment, maybe. but the american people dont like a complete narcissistic psycho whose a habitual liar and whose own family says hes an arrogant a-hole with no regard for anyone but himself. not just because hes a disrupter.

what you gotta realize is that the dems are trying to hammer him on 100% his own behavior. I mean, the stuff that woodward is slowly pouring out is straight from the horses mouth. i get the dems are out to get him but at the same time hes indefensible. i mean his twitter account alone.

i dont hate his actual actions and think he began his tenure under absurd attack but eventually a guy just becomes too much of an a-hole. id like living life not thinking bout trump every. single. day.
 
Trump is far from perfect. In fact, he's a nasty man and not someone I'd associate with in my personal life. But his execution of the job has not been nearly as bad as the media portrays. In fact, it's been quite good in certain areas.
 
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SPK145 said:
I'm a bit confused.

On one hand you complain about our NATO ally Turkey and then on the other hand you complain about calling out our NATO allies??

Methinks your hands are suffering a bad case of TDS.
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Come SPK, you are better than this. Isn't it interesting that the only NATO country that he doesn't have a problem with is Turkey who has an autocratic leader. Mattis resigned over this issue. It is a disgrace that we abandoned the Kurds. But I am sure that doesn't hurt our standing and our trustworthiness with other countries around the world.
 
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